AllDeaf.com
Our Sponsors

Go Back   AllDeaf.com > Miscellaneous > On-topic Debates
  
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-06-2008, 01:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
bloody phreak from hell
 
VamPyroX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hell
Posts: 27,867
Send a message via ICQ to VamPyroX Send a message via AIM to VamPyroX Send a message via Yahoo to VamPyroX
Should the Government Warn Us?

What if we were about to be destroyed (or the world was about to be destroyed), do you think the government should tell us if they knew it was going to happen?

Do you think the government will tell us if it really happened?

What if a huge asteroid was heading for Earth and would wipe out all life from the planet within moments of impact?

What if someone launched a bunch of nuclear missiles towards the United States and there was no chance for survival?

Would you like the government to tell you or would you rather not know about it and simply die instantly without warning?
__________________

Check out my city... CLICK HERE!
(If you already visited yesterday, visit again today!)
VamPyroX is offline   Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Deafness

Beitrag Sponsored Links

__________________
This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on AllDeaf.com
   
Old 07-06-2008, 01:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
Premium Member
 
Calvin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: California
Posts: 1,792
Excellent question and thread

Well the government may warn us about future catastrophe, but the question is would they really going to help us? Those examples of their job on Katrina, and other disasters, they weren't much of a help and not being honest either. Blame games are pretty much their everyday life.

It's pretty scary to think what government would do their job and are they really going to protect us Americans? Government has tons and tons of classified secrets that they don't want public to know.

I'm also curious what others think of this questions
__________________
Calvin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 01:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
Batista's fans
 
sara1981's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: North Little Rock,Ar
Posts: 3,291
Send a message via AIM to sara1981 Send a message via Yahoo to sara1981
that good question
__________________
sara1981 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 01:44 AM   #4 (permalink)
Bạnned
 
The Highlander's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,244
Screw government.

Why you care about government?
__________________
Z'ha'dum is the homeworld of the Shadows. No one leaves the same as they arrived. --Delenn
If you go to Z'ha'dum, you will die. — Kosh to John Sheridan
The Highlander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 03:49 AM   #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
web730's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,829
We sometime wondered that, too. It's hard to trust the government... those run by human beings (not perfect).

I don't trust them completely especially something like what vampy asked here.

Yep, it's a good question to ponder. Isn't that bit scary? Yep! lol
web730 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 09:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 21,197
The doomsayers have been telling us for years that the world is coming to an end. Hasn't happened yet.
jillio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 10:15 AM   #7 (permalink)
Elf Assassin
 
Bottesini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Sneaking up behind you
Posts: 5,919
Blog Entries: 3
If it was inevitable, I would rather have no warning than live my last moments in sheer terror. I think dogs have an easier, happier life than people because they have no knowledge of their own mortality.

It already bothers me a lot, knowing that I will die. I think it would be cruelty for the government to announce something like that.
__________________
AllDeaf
Bottesini is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 10:40 AM   #8 (permalink)
YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT!
 
Jiro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,566
it's an easy question. I have discussed about this with my friends long time ago. my easy answer is - if there's no chance of survival... not gonna warn. because people are too stupid to handle it - there would be mass riot or utter chaos. why die with fear and anger?

as for Katrina - they did warn them in advance. it's the people who choose to stay or couldn't leave.
Jiro is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 05:31 PM   #9 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Texan Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,784
Send a message via MSN to Texan Guy
Well, they didn't warn us about the "alien invade" in the 1950's.
__________________
Texan Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 01:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
bloody phreak from hell
 
VamPyroX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hell
Posts: 27,867
Send a message via ICQ to VamPyroX Send a message via AIM to VamPyroX Send a message via Yahoo to VamPyroX
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
Excellent question and thread

Well the government may warn us about future catastrophe, but the question is would they really going to help us? Those examples of their job on Katrina, and other disasters, they weren't much of a help and not being honest either. Blame games are pretty much their everyday life.

It's pretty scary to think what government would do their job and are they really going to protect us Americans? Government has tons and tons of classified secrets that they don't want public to know.

I'm also curious what others think of this questions
Well, in this situation... there is absolutely nothing that the government can do to help us.

Remember, a huge asteroid is gonna blow up the planet. What could the government possibly do to help us?
__________________

Check out my city... CLICK HERE!
(If you already visited yesterday, visit again today!)
VamPyroX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 03:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Byrdie714's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Pacific County, Washington
Posts: 5,163
Quote:
Originally Posted by jiro123 View Post
it's an easy question. I have discussed about this with my friends long time ago. my easy answer is - if there's no chance of survival... not gonna warn. because people are too stupid to handle it - there would be mass riot or utter chaos. why die with fear and anger?

as for Katrina - they did warn them in advance. it's the people who choose to stay or couldn't leave.
They could've done more than just warn in advance......
Byrdie714 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 04:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 21,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byrdie714 View Post
They could've done more than just warn in advance......
Yeah. Easy to blame it on people refusing to leave.
jillio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 09:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
My Property!! >:(
 
PuyoPiyo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Fourth Plain Village WA
Posts: 5,182
Send a message via AIM to PuyoPiyo
The answer to your questions, of course they should!
__________________

Note: Not credit by myself.
PuyoPiyo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 03:04 AM   #14 (permalink)
Premium Member
 
Calvin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: California
Posts: 1,792
Quote:
Originally Posted by VamPyroX View Post
Well, in this situation... there is absolutely nothing that the government can do to help us.

Remember, a huge asteroid is gonna blow up the planet. What could the government possibly do to help us?
Yeah you do have a point
__________________
Calvin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 03:36 AM   #15 (permalink)
YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT!
 
Jiro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,566
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byrdie714 View Post
They could've done more than just warn in advance......
they did. it was the first time that FEMA managed to mobilized a incredibly massive rescue groups in a very short time, organized massive resources for evacuees, set up the emergency funds (credit card) for them, etc. They have performed beyond satisfactory.

it's the media who make greedy profits on making everybody (FEMA, government, etc.) looks bad to enrage the public. sheesh... stupid FOX news. I've talked about New Orleans in other thread - click
Jiro is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 05:19 AM   #16 (permalink)
Registered User
 
web730's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,829
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Highlander View Post
Screw government.

Why you care about government?
Yet you pay taxes and take tests for a driver license and such that are required by the government.
web730 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 07:21 AM   #17 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
~SG~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,010
That is very interesting questions and thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VamPyroX View Post
What if we were about to be destroyed (or the world was about to be destroyed), do you think the government should tell us if they knew it was going to happen?
If we were about to be destroyed, the government should tell us if something is really going to happen. I doubt government will able to give a honest estimate if the world was about to be destroyed on weeks, days or hours. (when the government already know the true date/time)

Quote:
Do you think the government will tell us if it really happened?
I would say it is depend on the situation. The government may covered it up if some parts of the world is destoryed.
__________________
~SG~ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 10:54 AM   #18 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Byrdie714's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Pacific County, Washington
Posts: 5,163
Quote:
Originally Posted by jiro123 View Post
they did. it was the first time that FEMA managed to mobilized a incredibly massive rescue groups in a very short time, organized massive resources for evacuees, set up the emergency funds (credit card) for them, etc. They have performed beyond satisfactory.

it's the media who make greedy profits on making everybody (FEMA, government, etc.) looks bad to enrage the public. sheesh... stupid FOX news. I've talked about New Orleans in other thread - click


Believe it or not. This is a first for me as I usually agree with you but this time....

I have to disagree with you inregards to FEMA and it's handling of Katrina. Granted I wasn't there when Katrina hit but I have seen FEMA work when they came to my neck-o-the-woods after being clobbered by 130 mph winds.

I wasn't impressed with their handling of Katrina nor the December windstorm of 2007.

All I can say is that the agency, just like others in the government, needs a major overhaul.
Byrdie714 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 11:13 AM   #19 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 21,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byrdie714 View Post


Believe it or not. This is a first for me as I usually agree with you but this time....

I have to disagree with you inregards to FEMA and it's handling of Katrina. Granted I wasn't there when Katrina hit but I have seen FEMA work when they came to my neck-o-the-woods after being clobbered by 130 mph winds.

I wasn't impressed with their handling of Katrina nor the December windstorm of 2007.

All I can say is that the agency, just like others in the government, needs a major overhaul.
Absolutely! We are still seeing the results of their incompetencies today.
jillio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 12:09 PM   #20 (permalink)
I love Toby
 
CrzyMeg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 5,499
Blog Entries: 1
Send a message via AIM to CrzyMeg Send a message via Yahoo to CrzyMeg
Have you ever rely on your hearing family or hearing friends to help you to know when there is disater?
__________________
"Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart." Anne Frank

GO PIRATES! Pensacola Junior College

CrzyMeg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 12:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT!
 
Jiro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,566
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byrdie714 View Post
They could've done more than just warn in advance......
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byrdie714 View Post


Believe it or not. This is a first for me as I usually agree with you but this time....

I have to disagree with you inregards to FEMA and it's handling of Katrina. Granted I wasn't there when Katrina hit but I have seen FEMA work when they came to my neck-o-the-woods after being clobbered by 130 mph winds.

I wasn't impressed with their handling of Katrina nor the December windstorm of 2007.

All I can say is that the agency, just like others in the government, needs a major overhaul.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jillio View Post
Absolutely! We are still seeing the results of their incompetencies today.
yes so do all of us. we continue to try to improve and learn from our mistakes. Yes - That Michael Brown thing was a huge snafu but remember that FEMA is merely a "coordinator." They are not responsible for providing manpower or any such thing. They provide advices and fund and also help coordinate things at federal level (ONLY when requested by Governor) - That is FEMA's responsibility. It is solely citizens' & municipal's & state's responsibility.

It is people's responsibility to follow procedures and make preparations but no they did not. I understand they were poor or disabled but it was New Orlean's responsibility to facilitate the emergency procedures beforehand such as registry list, etc - not FEMA!!!
Jiro is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 02:13 PM   #22 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 21,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by jiro123 View Post
yes so do all of us. we continue to try to improve and learn from our mistakes. Yes - That Michael Brown thing was a huge snafu but remember that FEMA is merely a "coordinator." They are not responsible for providing manpower or any such thing. They provide advices and fund and also help coordinate things at federal level (ONLY when requested by Governor) - That is FEMA's responsibility. It is solely citizens' & municipal's & state's responsibility.

It is people's responsibility to follow procedures and make preparations but no they did not. I understand they were poor or disabled but it was New Orlean's responsibility to facilitate the emergency procedures beforehand such as registry list, etc - not FEMA!!!
How about the huge debacle over the evaucation of hospitals with critically ill patients, jiro? FEMA certainly knew about them well before the hurricane hit. A critically ill patient cannot simply get out of a bed and walk out and evacuate. And that is but one example of the total ineffectiveness of FEMA in light of Katrina. Manpower wasn't the issue. Coordination was.
jillio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 02:28 PM   #23 (permalink)
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 17,287
In VamPyrox's asteroid scenario, the government could only notify people of an impending disaster. It couldn't do anything to prevent it, and there would be no safe place for escape. The most "the government" could do would be to let people know so they could get together with loved ones, if there was enough time left. Otherwise, what's the point?

As a Christian, I would hope and pray that everyone would be spiritually ready for the end of the world but that's not something I would leave in the hands of "the government".

The missile scenario is a little different. There is a possibility of defense and survivability for that one. In that case, the government and military leaders would be busy with providing the defense. There probably wouldn't be enough time for evacuations (where would you go?) or any other actions by civilians.

The experiences of Katrina can't be compared to a nationwide or worldwide disaster. Katrina was a local disaster where outside help and refuge was at least theoretically available.
Reba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 02:43 PM   #24 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 21,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reba View Post
In VamPyrox's asteroid scenario, the government could only notify people of an impending disaster. It couldn't do anything to prevent it, and there would be no safe place for escape. The most "the government" could do would be to let people know so they could get together with loved ones, if there was enough time left. Otherwise, what's the point?

As a Christian, I would hope and pray that everyone would be spiritually ready for the end of the world but that's not something I would leave in the hands of "the government".

The missile scenario is a little different. There is a possibility of defense and survivability for that one. In that case, the government and military leaders would be busy with providing the defense. There probably wouldn't be enough time for evacuations (where would you go?) or any other actions by civilians.

The experiences of Katrina can't be compared to a nationwide or worldwide disaster. Katrina was a local disaster where outside help and refuge was at least theoretically available.
True. Katrina was a local disaster that quickly turned into a national humiliation when that help remained in theory only.
jillio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 03:55 PM   #25 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Byrdie714's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Pacific County, Washington
Posts: 5,163
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reba View Post
In VamPyrox's asteroid scenario, the government could only notify people of an impending disaster. It couldn't do anything to prevent it, and there would be no safe place for escape. The most "the government" could do would be to let people know so they could get together with loved ones, if there was enough time left. Otherwise, what's the point?

As a Christian, I would hope and pray that everyone would be spiritually ready for the end of the world but that's not something I would leave in the hands of "the government".

The missile scenario is a little different. There is a possibility of defense and survivability for that one. In that case, the government and military leaders would be busy with providing the defense. There probably wouldn't be enough time for evacuations (where would you go?) or any other actions by civilians.

The experiences of Katrina can't be compared to a nationwide or worldwide disaster. Katrina was a local disaster where outside help and refuge was at least theoretically available.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jillio View Post
True. Katrina was a local disaster that quickly turned into a national humiliation when that help remained in theory only.
Katrina was a local disaster? What have you been sniffing? How can it be a local disaster when it affected 4 different states? (Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida panhandle)

Sorry it was a national disaster that should've been handle by the Federal government and not the state government, especially dealing with something of this magnitude.

If we can summon up 30,000 troops in a day's time to go to Iraq, we can summon up 30,000 people to go in and help evacuate as well as with the recovery efforts.

Sorry Jiro123, FEMA is a joke. Why do you think some of us called it, "Federal Emergency Mis-management Agency"?

Secondly with an agency of Homeland Security-- you would think that Homeland Security would've stepped in and do something. Afterall isn't that what Homeland Security is all about? Securing the Homeland? Apparently not.

(Sorry if I am getting a little tense with this issue as I've had a horrible expereince with FEMA and do not wish it upon my worst enemy. Because if you go through FEMA--your experience would not be all that pleasant either....)
Byrdie714 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2008, 03:58 PM   #26 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 21,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byrdie714 View Post
Katrina was a local disaster? What have you been sniffing? How can it be a local disaster when it affected 4 different states? (Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida panhandle)

Sorry it was a national disaster that should've been handle by the Federal government and not the state government, especially dealing with something of this magnitude.

If we can summon up 30,000 troops in a day's time to go to Iraq, we can summon up 30,000 people to go in and help evacuate as well as with the recovery efforts.

Sorry Jiro123, FEMA is a joke. Why do you think some of us called it, "Federal Emergency Mis-management Agency"?

Secondly with an agency of Homeland Security-- you would think that Homeland Security would've stepped in and do something. Afterall isn't that what Homeland Security is all about? Securing the Homeland? Apparently not.

(Sorry if I am getting a little tense with this issue as