Abortion - Page 6

GarnetTigerMom · 02-06-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And, if the mother's life is at risk, the abortion can only be performed up to 5.5 months.

Yep,, that is corret. I agree.

**Angel** · 02-06-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

More Information about Abortion

This method is very disturbing to me....

even as a pro-choice

**Angel** · 02-06-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Because unless the mother's life is at stake, it is illegal to do so after 12 weeks. An abortion for personal reasons can only be requested and performed up to 12 weeks.

Not in some states such as UK, abortion is legal up to the 24th weeks of pregnancy and if the mother's life is at risk, there's no time limit.

Grey JCR :: Abortion

And some abortions are performed up to 13 weeks too.

Abortion Information

Babyblue · 02-06-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

I understand the sympathy. But why should a mother endanger her life due to a medical problem, especially if she already have children?

another reason I'm pro-choice is...If the woman/Little girl was raped or sexually abused and the results is an unwanted pregnancy that was not her choice in the first place.should bear the burden. When it wasn't her choice to become pregnant... She should have a choice in the unwanted pregnancy .....the burden falls on the individual....

For women that chose to engage in sexual activity *abuses the abortion rights* should be ashame of themselves..

see... I am only pro-choice for those specific reasons...

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-06-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

partial-birth abortion: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

Whats the difference?

Partial or not.. it is still an abortion...

as it may seem...

Yes I understand what you are saying... abortion is abortion... I has to give you right but I want to share my POV with you what I think the difference between abortion and partial-birth abortion.

For abortion - like fetus removal with a long spoon and clean inside.
For partial-birth abortion - they can't remove fetus with a long tiny spoon because fetus is too big for long tiny spoon... Right?

Partial-birth abortion (late abortion) is banned in many European countries including Germany.

I am total surprised to see how and what the doctor did with partial-birth abortion which is total different as here in Germany. The doctor only do is remove fetus is give mother drug to push fetus out of her womb after 12 weeks... If after 6 or 7 months then do with caeseran. The doctor respect mother's decision what they do with their fetus - funeral arrangement or to scienic - not throw fetus to trash after partial-birth abortion (late abortion). I beleive they throw under 12 weeks old fetus to trash in Germany but not after 12 weeks.

Here European Abortion Rule
BBC NEWS | Europe | Europe's abortion rules

American Abortion Rule? Can you care to give me link of American Abortion Rule,

The reason I was confused because I thought US partial-birth abortion started to ban in 2003 - Accord the pictures, you provided seem to me that partial-birth abortion is still legal in USA?

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-06-2008, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

I understand the sympathy. But why should a mother endanger her life due to a medical problem, especially if she already have children?

another reason I'm pro-choice is...If the woman/Little girl was raped or sexually abused and the results is an unwanted pregnancy that was not her choice in the first place.should bear the burden. When it wasn't her choice to become pregnant... She should have a choice in the unwanted pregnancy .....the burden falls on the individual....

For women that chose to engage in sexual activity *abuses the abortion rights* should be ashame of themselves..

see... I am only pro-choice for those specific reasons...

Yes I am with you. I am pro-choice for special reasons like you.

I disagree to consider abortion as birth control. (just abort dozen of times without use any birth control.)

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-06-2008, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

Not in some states such as UK, abortion is legal up to the 24th weeks of pregnancy and if the mother's life is at risk, there's no time limit.

Grey JCR :: Abortion

And some abortions are performed up to 13 weeks too.

Abortion Information

24 weeks? I only know UK abortion rule up to 13 weeks. I will check with my British friends about this.

for provide the link about 3 type of abortions.

jillio · 02-06-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

Not in some states such as UK, abortion is legal up to the 24th weeks of pregnancy and if the mother's life is at risk, there's no time limit.

Grey JCR :: Abortion

And some abortions are performed up to 13 weeks too.

Abortion Information

But reversal of Roe v Wade would do nothing to change policy in other countries. It would only affect the woman's choice in the U.S. I cited the law as it applies to the U.S.

An abortion performed up to 13 weeks means that it must be performed by the end of the first trimester. A fetus delivered at the end of the first trimester has never been known to survive on its own because it has not developed to the point where it can. Even a fetus delivered at the end of the second trimester requires heroic efforts, and the great majority will not not survive, despite the doctors taking those heroic measures. The few that do survive, suffer lifelong handicaps that require a lifetime of medical interventions because of their extreme prematurity.

jillio · 02-06-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

I understand the sympathy. But why should a mother endanger her life due to a medical problem, especially if she already have children?

another reason I'm pro-choice is...If the woman/Little girl was raped or sexually abused and the results is an unwanted pregnancy that was not her choice in the first place.should bear the burden. When it wasn't her choice to become pregnant... She should have a choice in the unwanted pregnancy .....the burden falls on the individual....

For women that chose to engage in sexual activity *abuses the abortion rights* should be ashame of themselves..

see... I am only pro-choice for those specific reasons...

I agree with you. Abortion should never be used as a form of birth control. However, it should be a choice available when all other methods have failed. We already have enough children int his world whose parents were not ready for the responsibility of parenthood, and these are the neglected and abused children that we see every day. To decide to have an abortion can not be an easy decision for any woman, and one that she must resolve within herself. However, at times, it may indeed, be the most responsible one that she can make.

Askjo · 02-08-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Remember, abortion and partial-birth abortion are not the same thing.

They are SAME murders.

**Foxrac** · 02-09-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Again, this is partial-birth abortion, not abortion.

Remember, partial-birth abortion and abortion are not the same thing.

Yup, I agree with you.

I have same feeling about like that, partial birth abortion is more gross and worse than fetus abortion, I don't want watch this video, it does make my stomach so upset.

**Cheri** · 02-09-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Askjo

They are SAME murders.

*nods* I agree.

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-09-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Yup, I agree with you.

I have same feeling about like that, partial birth abortion is more gross and worse than fetus abortion, I don't want watch this video, it does make my stomach so upset.

Yes, I feel the same as you about partial birth abortion. Partial birth abortion is the worst than early abortion (under 12 weeks old).

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-12-2008, 04:28 AM

Who's getting abortions? Not who you'd think
Half of the women are 25 or older; most already have a child

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NEW YORK - In American pop culture, the face of abortion is often a frightened teenager, nervously choosing to terminate an unexpected pregnancy. The numbers tell a far more complex story in which financial stress can play a pivotal role.

Half of the roughly 1.2 million U.S. women who have abortions each year are 25 or older. Only about 17 percent are teens. About 60 percent have given birth to least one child prior to getting an abortion.

A disproportionately high number are black or Hispanic. And regardless of race, high abortion rates are linked to hard times.

“It doesn’t just happen to young people, it doesn’t necessarily have to do with irresponsibility,” said Miriam Inocencio, president of Planned Parenthood of Rhode Island. “Women face years and years of reproductive life after they’ve completed their families, and they’re at risk of an unintended pregnancy that can create an economic strain.”

Who has abortions?

Activists on both sides of the abortion debate will soon be marking the 35th anniversary of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision, which established a nationwide right to abortion. Since Jan. 22, 1973, there have been roughly 50 million abortions in the United States, and more than one-third of adult women are estimated to have had at least one.

Who are these women?

Much of the public debate focuses on teens, as evidenced by the constant wranging over parental notification laws and movies like the current hit “Juno,” in which the pregnant heroine heads to an abortion clinic, then decides to have the baby.

In fact, the women come from virtually every demographic sector. But year after year the statistics reveal that black women and economically struggling women — who have above-average rates of unintended pregnancies — are far more likely than others to have abortions. About 13 percent of American women are black, yet new figures from the Centers for Disease Control show they account for 35 percent of the abortions.

Black anti-abortion activists depict this phenomenon in dire terms — “genocide” and “holocaust,” for example. But often the women getting the abortions say they act in the interests of children they already have.

“It wasn’t a hard decision for me to make, because I knew where I wanted to go in my life — I’ve never regretted it,” said Kimberly Mathias, 28, an African-American single mother from Missouri.

She had an abortion at 19, when she already raising a 2-year-old son.

“It wasn’t hard to realize I didn’t want another child at that time,” Mathias said. “I was trying to take care of the one I had, and going to college and working at the same time.”

She was able to graduate, now has an insurance job, and — still a single mother — has a 3-year-old son as well as her first-born, now 11.

'A silent killer'

By contrast, Alveda King, a niece of Martin Luther King Jr., calls herself a “reformed murderer” for undergoing two abortions when she was young.

Now an outspoken anti-abortion campaigner, King says the best way to reduce abortions among black women is to dissuade more of them from premarital sex.

“We give free sex education, free condoms, free birth control,” she complained. “That’s almost like permission to have free sex, and the higher the rate of sexual activity, the higher the rate of unintended pregnancy.”

Anti-abortion activist Day Gardner of the National Black Pro-Life Union says many blacks are unaware of their community’s high abortion rate.

“We don’t talk about it,” Gardner said. “It’s a silent killer among us.”

She contends that abortion-rights supporters tempt black women into abortion by suggesting they can’t afford to raise the child. But Gardner also acknowledges that some black women make this argument on their own.

“We had the whole civil rights movement — now we’re in a place where we’re moving further toward equality,” Gardner said. “So women think, ‘For once, I can see the American dream. I can have the house and the job, but it would postpone it to have another child. I can’t afford to take time off.’ ”

Dr. Vanessa Cullins, a black physician who is Planned Parenthood’s national vice president for medical affairs, said the allegations of “black genocide” do not help women meet day-to-day challenges.

“These actions take attention away from medically proven ways to reduce unintended pregnancy — comprehensive sex education, affordable birth control, and open and honest conversations about relationships,” she said

Looking beyond racial dividing lines, Cullins views the right to abortion as an important component in the ability of all American women to determine the right size for their family.

“Groups that become assimilated in U.S. culture and experience economic opportunities naturally decide to limit family size, because they want to take part in the American dream,” she said. “If you’re a single mother, achieving the dream is all the harder, so it makes sense to limit family size so you can shower as much support as you can on the children you have.”

Financial pressures

Georgette Forney, who had an abortion when she was 16 and is now an anti-abortion campaigner leading Anglicans for Life, says she often sees economic pressures triggering abortions, even in middle-class families.

“In one situation, the husband was adamant that they were on track to pay for their two sons’ college education, and a third child would throw off his whole calculation,” Forney recounted. “So that baby was aborted and that woman was devastated. It was a five-year process to recover.”

Forney said she also encountered a single mother who was worried she might lose custody of her daughter in light of a suit by the biological father. The woman then became pregnant, Forney said, and had an abortion in violation of her own beliefs because she feared having a second child would jeopardize prospects for keeping her daughter.

“We’ve begun to depend on abortions,” Forney said. “We feel we have to choose between our unborn child and our born children.”

Martha Girard, on the other hand, says she’s appalled by the notion that women should lose the right to choose.

A hospital ultrasound technician from Pleasant Prairie, Wis., and a mother of three, Girard had an abortion two years ago, at the age of 44, when she mistakenly thought she was too old to get pregnant.

Having been through three difficult pregnancies previously, and coping with a mentally disabled eldest son, she felt abortion was the prudent choice.

“I knew that this pregnancy would end up badly — I could feel it — and we’ve already got enough problems with the mentally ill son,” Girard said.

“I was very sad and depressed the first week,” she added. “But because it’s hard on you emotionally and some women regret it, that doesn’t mean it’s wrong, that someone else should decide for you.”

The Journal of Family Issues published a report earlier this month asserting that women often choose abortion because of their wish to be good parents.

That means women who have no children want the conditions to be right when they do, and women who already are mothers want to care responsibly for their existing children, said the lead author, Rachel Jones, a researcher with the Guttmacher Institute.

“These women believed that it was more responsible to terminate a pregnancy than to have a child whose health and welfare could be in question,” Jones said.

Number of abortions declining

Even among many abortion opponents, the Guttmacher Institute — which supports abortion rights — is considered the nation’s best source of abortion statistics.

Federal statistics do not include California, the most populous state, because its government does not provide data. But Guttmacher researchers surveyed abortion providers there as well as in other states to produce the latest national estimate of 1.2 million abortions in 2005. That’s down from a peak of 1.6 million in 1990 but still represents more than 20 percent of all pregnancies.

One of the Guttmacher’s top researchers, Stanley Henshaw, said the recent drop may disguise the fact abortion rates remain relatively high for black and Hispanic women. He believes the most effective countermeasure would be wider availability of contraceptives such as intrauterine device, or IUDs, that don’t require attention as frequently as condoms or birth-control pills.

Though abortion is commonplace across the country, urban areas have far higher rates than rural areas where access to abortion providers can be difficult.

New York, New Jersey, California, Delaware, Nevada, Maryland and Florida had the highest abortion rates in 2005, according to the new Guttmacher report released this week. Wyoming, Idaho, Kentucky, South Dakota and Mississippi had the lowest rates — the latter two states have just a single abortion clinic in operation.

Susan Hill, founder of the National Women’s Health Organization that runs the remaining Mississippi clinic, says the statistics may not fully reflect a subgroup of relatively affluent women who obtain unreported abortions through their private doctors.

“In Mississippi, it’s the poor women who don’t have access to that who have to run through the maze of protesters screaming and yelling abuse,” Hill said. “Wealthier women can be more creative about their alternatives.”

According to Guttmacher data, the abortion rate among women living below the federal poverty level is more than four times higher that among women from middle-income and affluent households.

An increasing number of women avoid surgery by using the RU-486 abortion pill or other early medication — these now account for about 13 percent of all abortions.

Of all U.S. women getting abortions, about 54 percent are doing so for the first time, while one-fifth have had at least two previous abortions. Of those over 20, the majority have attended college. Almost a third have been married at some point. About 60 percent have at least one child; one-third have two or more.

“I don’t think most people understand that these are women who have families, who are making a very serious decision about their reproductive health,” said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. “The stereotype is that the decision is made lightly. It is not.”

Who's getting abortions? Not who you'd think - Women's health - MSNBC.com

Interesting to see cons and pros.

Aleser · 02-12-2008, 02:03 PM

All abortions are not the same abortions. First and early second trimester abortions operate on the theory that no fetus can survive without access to the womb- it is not yet viable life. Thus, simply evacuating the fetus from it's literal "life support", the mother, via medication or surgical removal is enough to cause death. In the case of very late or 'partial birth', as is clearly seen through many descriptions of it, one must deliberately keep PART but not ALL of the child in the mother and deliberately make some attempt at it's life, namely draining out or damaging a body part. This is done with the awareness that the child would survive if it completed the rest of it's birth.

As a personal practise, I believe that I can understand having a very early abortion- one at which point you, in your heart, do not yet consider the fetus that you're carrying your own child- and more importantly, from a religous standpoint, you believe does not have a soul.

I believe in the severely limited use of partial birth abortion, even if it is contrary to my faith. By severely limited, I mean to say that a mother found out too late in the pregnancy that the child has an honestly horrific and painful terminal illness which will lead to nothing but suffering.. would you rather -your- own baby have to suffer painful death for years before passing? I absolutely don't agree with it in ANY other use, though. None whatsoever. I often use this example because I've -known- couples who've had children with infantile tay sachs- they spend three or four years watching a child who has no understanding of life be stripped away of sight and of thought, of the ability to understand any aspect of life, before finally dying, no older than six years old.

That said, I don't think partial-birth abortion is going anywhere any time soon. Even if it is something -I- disagree with, the law holds that you are not a recognised human being until you take your very first breath- and I would like it to stay that way, because the moment we try and attempt to define the every-changing definition of "viable" life we will enter the very murky waters by which we can soon define the smallest cluster of cells as "viable life" and strip women of control over their bodies.

**shel90** · 02-12-2008, 05:50 PM

“It wasn’t a hard decision for me to make, because I knew where I wanted to go in my life — I’ve never regretted it,” said Kimberly Mathias, 28, an African-American single mother from Missouri.

She had an abortion at 19, when she already raising a 2-year-old son.

“It wasn’t hard to realize I didn’t want another child at that time,” Mathias said. “I was trying to take care of the one I had, and going to college and working at the same time.”

She was able to graduate, now has an insurance job, and — still a single mother — has a 3-year-old son as well as her first-born, now 11.

I am sorry but I am not going to sympathize with this woman. She already had a kid and knew that getting pregnant is a risk when having sex. So, if she is trying to build her life for the better, then why take that risk in the first place? Whatever happened from learning from mistakes?

Byrdie714 · 02-12-2008, 09:35 PM

If she has the money to have it....more power to her.

**Angel** · 02-12-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

[B]I am sorry but I am not going to sympathize with this woman. She already had a kid and knew that getting pregnant is a risk when having sex. So, if she is trying to build her life for the better, then why take that risk in the first place? Whatever happened from learning from mistakes?

I absolutely agree,

Byrdie714 · 02-12-2008, 09:46 PM

Since Religion and Abortion has been moved to the 'Adult' section due to graphic nature.

I posted a comment in there and wanted to post the same in here...

We have Pro-Life, pro-choice and then there is Pro-Child.

What is their stance on this issue?

They're not Pro-Life

Not Pro-Choice

Just...Pro-Child.

Hwy99 · 02-13-2008, 12:20 AM

^^^Well the Pro-Life support Pro-Child, and Pro-Choice don't.

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-13-2008, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I am sorry but I am not going to sympathize with this woman. She already had a kid and knew that getting pregnant is a risk when having sex. So, if she is trying to build her life for the better, then why take that risk in the first place? Whatever happened from learning from mistakes?

Yes I has to agree with you on this. She should know better after have one child. It would be different if she said that she still get unwanted pregnant when she use sex protection (birth control). In her story seem to me that she don't have any birth control which is really sad.

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-13-2008, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

^^^Well the Pro-Life support Pro-Child, and Pro-Choice don't.

Askjo · 02-13-2008, 04:16 PM

The warning about the abortion--

The abortion is dangerous to a woman's health because it is fatal. Many women died from it.

jillio · 02-13-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Askjo

The warning about the abortion--

The abortion is dangerous to a woman's health because it is fatal. Many women died from it.

Yes,they did. Prior to it being made legal.

Aleser · 02-14-2008, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Askjo

The warning about the abortion--

The abortion is dangerous to a woman's health because it is fatal. Many women died from it.

In the case of legal and professionally done abortion, women are at a FAR lower risk of death from getting the procedure as opposed to giving birth. You're much more likely to die of childbirth.

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-14-2008, 03:38 AM

Yes that's right, Jillo and Aleser.

Hwy99 · 02-14-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Pro-Life are speak out for the children, while Pro-Choice are speak out for parent's own choice. Get it? That's why I see Pro-Child just the same as Pro-Life.

Byrdie714 · 02-14-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aleser

In the case of legal and professionally done abortion, women are at a FAR lower risk of death from getting the procedure as opposed to giving birth. You're much more likely to die of childbirth.

So you are pro-choice?

Aleser · 02-15-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

So you are pro-choice?

I believe that abortion is an acceptable choice up until a specific point (which I wrote more about in 'religion and abortion', essentially until one preceives the fetus as their 'child' as it has a soul)

So yes, I suppose I'm pro-choice.

Askjo · 03-05-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Yes,they did. Prior to it being made legal.

But still....today.

02-12-2008, 02:03 PM	#165 (permalink)
Aleser Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 965	All abortions are not the same abortions. First and early second trimester abortions operate on the theory that no fetus can survive without access to the womb- it is not yet viable life. Thus, simply evacuating the fetus from it's literal "life support", the mother, via medication or surgical removal is enough to cause death. In the case of very late or 'partial birth', as is clearly seen through many descriptions of it, one must deliberately keep PART but not ALL of the child in the mother and deliberately make some attempt at it's life, namely draining out or damaging a body part. This is done with the awareness that the child would survive if it completed the rest of it's birth. As a personal practise, I believe that I can understand having a very early abortion- one at which point you, in your heart, do not yet consider the fetus that you're carrying your own child- and more importantly, from a religous standpoint, you believe does not have a soul. I believe in the severely limited use of partial birth abortion, even if it is contrary to my faith. By severely limited, I mean to say that a mother found out too late in the pregnancy that the child has an honestly horrific and painful terminal illness which will lead to nothing but suffering.. would you rather -your- own baby have to suffer painful death for years before passing? I absolutely don't agree with it in ANY other use, though. None whatsoever. I often use this example because I've -known- couples who've had children with infantile tay sachs- they spend three or four years watching a child who has no understanding of life be stripped away of sight and of thought, of the ability to understand any aspect of life, before finally dying, no older than six years old. That said, I don't think partial-birth abortion is going anywhere any time soon. Even if it is something -I- disagree with, the law holds that you are not a recognised human being until you take your very first breath- and I would like it to stay that way, because the moment we try and attempt to define the every-changing definition of "viable" life we will enter the very murky waters by which we can soon define the smallest cluster of cells as "viable life" and strip women of control over their bodies. __________________ "She thinks... she can make people do what she wants or needs, what is right, by the sheer force of her own talent, not by forcing them... she can teach them and persuade them... that they'll catch it from her. This is still faith in their rationality, in the omnipotence of reason. The mistake? Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them."

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shel90 Let It Snow!!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A place where crabs are popular Posts: 40,302 Blog Entries: 3	“It wasn’t a hard decision for me to make, because I knew where I wanted to go in my life — I’ve never regretted it,” said Kimberly Mathias, 28, an African-American single mother from Missouri. She had an abortion at 19, when she already raising a 2-year-old son. “It wasn’t hard to realize I didn’t want another child at that time,” Mathias said. “I was trying to take care of the one I had, and going to college and working at the same time.” She was able to graduate, now has an insurance job, and — still a single mother — has a 3-year-old son as well as her first-born, now 11. I am sorry but I am not going to sympathize with this woman. She already had a kid and knew that getting pregnant is a risk when having sex. So, if she is trying to build her life for the better, then why take that risk in the first place? Whatever happened from learning from mistakes? __________________ "Wine improves with age. The older I get, the better I like it." --- Anonymous

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Byrdie714 Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 8,941	If she has the money to have it....more power to her.

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Byrdie714 Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 8,941	Since Religion and Abortion has been moved to the 'Adult' section due to graphic nature. I posted a comment in there and wanted to post the same in here... We have Pro-Life, pro-choice and then there is Pro-Child. What is their stance on this issue? They're not Pro-Life Not Pro-Choice Just...Pro-Child.

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Hwy99 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A town in middle of the rolling hills Posts: 6,141	^^^Well the Pro-Life support Pro-Child, and Pro-Choice don't.

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Askjo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 722	The warning about the abortion-- The abortion is dangerous to a woman's health because it is fatal. Many women died from it.