How to solve courtroom injustice? - Page 5

jillio · 01-01-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Whatever.

Now there's a very attorney-like response.

Byrdie714 · 01-01-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Now there's a very attorney-like response.

When discussing with you-- it is.

jillio · 01-01-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

When discussing with you-- it is.

Still not ganna answer the questions, are you, Byrdie. Where did you get your JD?

And, if I wasn't right about you not being an attorney, any lawyer worth his salt would have already proven me wrong. Especially someone who is an ex-trial attorney.

You have failed to prove your claims, Byrdie......case lost.

jillio · 01-01-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I asked you where you received your JD? Didn't they teach you that you need a JD to sit for the bar? And receiving a certifcate for specialization is not a degree. So, according to you, you attended law school at OSU, and received a degree, and you received a cerrificate of specialization from Capital. And what focus area was your specialization certification in? Captal's standard procedure is to issue certification only to those who are attending their law school and receiving their JD from that institution. Likewise with OSU. OSU offeres coursework leading to specialization in addition to the JD. So why would you attend 2 different universities when you could have gotten exactly the same at either one?

Let's try it this way....what was the name of the degree that you received from OSU, and what was the title of the certification you received from Capital?[/QUOTE]

I've already told you. Let's try it this way....maybe it's time for you to clean your computer screen or go see an ophthalmologist.

No, you haven't. You "claim" to have gotten law degrees from 2 different universities. Which one did you receive your JD from? What was the title of the degree received from OSU. "A law degreee" is not a title. What was the title of the certification received from Cpaital? "A law degree" is not certification, and certification for specialization is not a law degree.

Maybe its time for you to stop throwing the BS around about you being an attorney. You really aren't a very good liar.

jillio · 01-01-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Sorry--that doesn't fly!

A 12 year old doesn't go around sexually offending others unless the 12 year was sexually offended by someone else. You can blame the other person for sexually offending the 12 year old but we still need to break the cycle of sexual abuse and thus the 12 year old got caught sexually offending.

I agree that sexual abuse is a cycle that needs to be broken, and that the offender in the vast majority of cases, has been abused themselves.

All I meant was that your son had no reason to be ashamed of his story, because he was wronged in the system. It is not his fault.

Angel · 01-01-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Sorry--that doesn't fly!

A 12 year old doesn't go around sexually offending others unless the 12 year was sexually offended by someone else. You can blame the other person for sexually offending the 12 year old but we still need to break the cycle of sexual abuse and thus the 12 year old got caught sexually offending.

First of all, don't go around making assumptions because it makes you look stupid. These questions were asked when her son took a lie dectectors test and he passed, and it shows he is telling the truth but it cant be used in court because a lie dectectors test is inadmissable in court, why don't you go and review her son's case and see for yourself and yet you say you were a lawyer and is this how you treat your clients?

Bear · 01-01-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

First of all, don't go around making assumptions because it makes you look stupid. These questions were asked when her son took a lie dectectors test and he passed, and it shows he is telling the truth but it cant be used in court because a lie dectectors test is inadmissable in court, why don't you go and review her son's case and see for yourself and yet you say you were a lawyer and is this how you treat your clients?

Angel and yes you are right there was a lie detector test as per his sex offender counseling demanded it. As for my son, not everyone will chose to believe in his innocence and there will always be people that just have to be the bad guy and disagree with everybody. For these people, I am learning to ignore them and focus on educating those to the injustices done, who are willing to learn.

jillio · 01-01-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Thanks for the slap Cheri!

The reason why I asked her if her son knew that she was posting on here was because from a male perspective, if I was her son, I wouldn't want my business posted on-line for millions to read.

Got something to hide?

Bear · 01-01-2008, 11:06 AM

You know what guys. I think I know what is going on here and it is working until now.

Byrdie so far has managed to derail this topic and the sex offender topic and it is all focused on him instead of the real issues. So, I for one am not gonna focus my posting on Brydie anymore, this topic is too well needed for me to allow someone to derail them.

jillio · 01-01-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Sorry--that doesn't fly!

A 12 year old doesn't go around sexually offending others unless the 12 year was sexually offended by someone else. You can blame the other person for sexually offending the 12 year old but we still need to break the cycle of sexual abuse and thus the 12 year old got caught sexually offending.

First of all, to other ADer's my post above was to assure Bear that we understood that her son was not at fault in any way for the wrongs done to him by the system.

To Byrdie, you quite obviously are NOT a defense attorney, and never have been. Quite obviously, you are not an attorney in any way, shape, or form. You haven't got a clue.

Here is the picture of you that is becoming clear.....you are a young, gay man who may or may not be a manager of beach cottages and does maintenace work on those cottages. Chances are, you are simply a handyman, and not manager at all.

You have never even attended college, much less earned a "law degree" as you put it. Everything you write paints a picture of a very young, very immature, very naive individual. You have extremely low self esteem, and tell lies to try to make yourself appear to be more than what you believe you are.

You need to seek therapy to help you with these issues of low self esteem and pathological lying. There is help for you.

Your lack of empathy is simply projection. You feel that no one has ever shown you empathy, so you project that back on others whenever you get the chance. But it isn't working, Byrdie. While it may be your choice of coping mechanism, in reality, it doesn't make you feel any better, now does it? It causes people to draw away from you, when what you really want is to draw people to you.

The way to make friends is to be yourself, treat others the way you want to be treated, and to be honest. You don't impress anyone by fabricating all of these fantasies about your life. It just doesn't work. Get some help with your issues.

I say this not as a criticism, but out of concern for you. You are showing some very disturbing signs of mental and emotional problems, and your belief that others buy into the picture you are trying to paint is typical of these disturbances.

Byrdie714 · 01-01-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear

You know what guys. I think I know what is going on here and it is working until now.

Byrdie so far has managed to derail this topic and the sex offender topic and it is all focused on him instead of the real issues. So, I for one am not gonna focus my posting on Brydie anymore, this topic is too well needed for me to allow someone to derail them.

Topic is " How to solve court room injustice." Unfortunately you being experienced with your son's case is going to cloud your perspective on this topic and thus both topics in this forum are going to cross over.

Anytime someone is founded guilty by the courts are always going to claim that there was injustice when in fact, there wasn't.

The court did it's job. It's time for you to help your son to take responsibility for his actions.

Byrdie714 · 01-01-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

First of all, to other ADer's my post above was to assure Bear that we understood that her son was not at fault in any way for the wrongs done to him by the system.

To Byrdie, you quite obviously are NOT a defense attorney, and never have been. Quite obviously, you are not an attorney in any way, shape, or form. You haven't got a clue.

Here is the picture of you that is becoming clear.....you are a young, gay man who may or may not be a manager of beach cottages and does maintenace work on those cottages. Chances are, you are simply a handyman, and not manager at all.

You have never even attended college, much less earned a "law degree" as you put it. Everything you write paints a picture of a very young, very immature, very naive individual. You have extremely low self esteem, and tell lies to try to make yourself appear to be more than what you believe you are.

You need to seek therapy to help you with these issues of low self esteem and pathological lying. There is help for you.

Your lack of empathy is simply projection. You feel that no one has ever shown you empathy, so you project that back on others whenever you get the chance. But it isn't working, Byrdie. While it may be your choice of coping mechanism, in reality, it doesn't make you feel any better, now does it? It causes people to draw away from you, when what you really want is to draw people to you.

The way to make friends is to be yourself, treat others the way you want to be treated, and to be honest. You don't impress anyone by fabricating all of these fantasies about your life. It just doesn't work. Get some help with your issues.

I say this not as a criticism, but out of concern for you. You are showing some very disturbing signs of mental and emotional problems, and your belief that others buy into the picture you are trying to paint is typical of these disturbances.

Funny you mention this.

I find it ironic that a person of your stature would side with this "victim" of the court system when you haven't gotten the whole picture.

What about the victims that her son sexually offended? What about their justice?

As I said before, there is always your side of the story, their side of the story, and the truth. And obvious everyone is buying into one side of the story and not the whole picture.

BTW...thanks for calling me "young".

Byrdie714 · 01-01-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel

First of all, don't go around making assumptions because it makes you look stupid. These questions were asked when her son took a lie dectectors test and he passed, and it shows he is telling the truth but it cant be used in court because a lie dectectors test is inadmissable in court, why don't you go and review her son's case and see for yourself and yet you say you were a lawyer and is this how you treat your clients?

Lie detectors aren't reliable. Anyone can pass a lie detector test.

Byrdie714 · 01-01-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Got something to hide?

I said..."If I was her son..."

What part of "if" don't you understand?

Angel · 01-01-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Lie detectors aren't reliable. Anyone can pass a lie detector test.

Funny you mention this, does this mean you've done this before?

Byrdie714 · 01-01-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel

Funny you mention this, does this mean you've done this before?

No. Lie detectors aren't exact science.

jillio · 01-01-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Funny you mention this.

I find it ironic that a person of your stature would side with this "victim" of the court system when you haven't gotten the whole picture.

What about the victims that her son sexually offended? What about their justice?

As I said before, there is always your side of the story, their side of the story, and the truth. And obvious everyone is buying into one side of the story and not the whole picture.

BTW...thanks for calling me "young".

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What does my height have to do with it?

Bear's son did not sexually offend anyone. Therefore, there are no victims.

I know more about this case than you think I do. Obviously, quite a bit more than you do.

It wasn't a compliment.

Still can't answer the questions, can you Byrdie. Your reluctance and inability to answer direct questions simply confirms the suspicions of myself and others. You are lying about your professional credentials.

jillio · 01-01-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Lie detectors aren't reliable. Anyone can pass a lie detector test.

I bet you can't!

Nor is a child sophisticated enough to intentionally lie and control their physiological responses at the same time.

jillio · 01-01-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

I said..."If I was her son..."

What part of "if" don't you understand?

I was referring to your refusal to answer direct questions regarding your credentials. What part of the question don't you understand?

You have been busted, Byrdie. Give it up.

jillio · 01-01-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel

Funny you mention this, does this mean you've done this before?

He's already flunked the AD lie detector!

Angel · 01-01-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Topic is " How to solve court room injustice." Unfortunately you being experienced with your son's case is going to cloud your perspective on this topic and thus both topics in this forum are going to cross over.

Anytime someone is founded guilty by the courts are always going to claim that there was injustice when in fact, there wasn't.

The court did it's job. It's time for you to help your son to take responsibility for his actions.

First of all Byrdie, wrongful convictions occur every month in every state in this country, and the reasons are all varied, not investigated the case thoroughly, lack of evidences, bad police work, faulty eyewitness identifications, bad defense lawyers, lazy prosecutors, arrogant prosecutors, the list goes on...

Second of all, you don't even know Bear or her son, and you don't even know how many innocent people and children are behind bars, you don't even know their cases, or how it happened, etc you may sit here and think the court did it's job, especially maybe to you because it hasn't happen to you yet, Imprisoning people and children is wrong when they have committed no crime. If America can’t agree on that, then we truly have hardened our hearts. Juvenile halls and prison are horrible enough without having to torment & traumatize innocent children..

Bear has every right to post her son's story in this thread, and if you want to respond to her posts then do so without criticism or making judgements!!

jillio · 01-01-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel

First of all Byrdie, wrongful convictions occur every month in every state in this country, and the reasons are all varied, not investigated the case thoroughly, lack of evidences, bad police work, faulty eyewitness identifications, bad defense lawyers, lazy prosecutors, arrogant prosecutors, the list goes on...

Second of all, you don't even know Bear or her son, and you don't even know how many innocent people and children are behind bars, you don't even know their cases, or how it happened, etc you may sit here and think the court did it's job, especially maybe to you because it hasn't happen to you yet, Imprisoning people and children is wrong when they have committed no crime. If America can’t agree on that, then we truly have hardened our hearts. Juvenile halls and prison are horrible enough without having to torment & traumatize innocent children..

Bear has every right to post her son's story in this thread, and if you want to respond to her posts then do so without criticism or making judgements!!

Cheri · 01-01-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel

First of all Byrdie, wrongful convictions occur every month in every state in this country, and the reasons are all varied, not investigated the case thoroughly, lack of evidences, bad police work, faulty eyewitness identifications, bad defense lawyers, lazy prosecutors, arrogant prosecutors, the list goes on...

Second of all, you don't even know Bear or her son, and you don't even know how many innocent people and children are behind bars, you don't even know their cases, or how it happened, etc you may sit here and think the court did it's job, especially maybe to you because it hasn't happen to you yet, Imprisoning people and children is wrong when they have committed no crime. If America can’t agree on that, then we truly have hardened our hearts. Juvenile halls and prison are horrible enough without having to torment & traumatize innocent children..

Bear has every right to post her son's story in this thread, and if you want to respond to her posts then do so without criticism or making judgements!!

!! Well said!! My heart goes out to those who's been accused of a crime they never committed.

deafskeptic · 01-01-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel

First of all Byrdie, wrongful convictions occur every month in every state in this country, and the reasons are all varied, not investigated the case thoroughly, lack of evidences, bad police work, faulty eyewitness identifications, bad defense lawyers, lazy prosecutors, arrogant prosecutors, the list goes on...

Second of all, you don't even know Bear or her son, and you don't even know how many innocent people and children are behind bars, you don't even know their cases, or how it happened, etc you may sit here and think the court did it's job, especially maybe to you because it hasn't happen to you yet, Imprisoning people and children is wrong when they have committed no crime. If America can’t agree on that, then we truly have hardened our hearts. Juvenile halls and prison are horrible enough without having to torment & traumatize innocent children..

Bear has every right to post her son's story in this thread, and if you want to respond to her posts then do so without criticism or making judgements!!

I'm a bit late to this thread but now I understand why jillio brought up brydie in another thread.

Bear, I'm shocked at what happened to your son. I hope the convictions in your son's case get reversed.

Byrdie714 · 01-01-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I was referring to your refusal to answer direct questions regarding your credentials. What part of the question don't you understand?

You have been busted, Byrdie. Give it up.

I am not giving my credentials until you give me yours.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Can't you comprehend that?

Obviously not.

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