How to solve courtroom injustice?

jillio said:
You are living in a fantasy world. Come out of that ivory tower of yours, and get a look at real life.
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They can also do a payment plan with an attorney. Many attorneys are willing to work with you.
 
jillio said:
You are thinking too concretely. Guilty people go free on a daily basis due to their ability to buy their way out of a sentence through the purchase of legal services.

In exactly what capacity do you serve the legal system? I understand in a very real way exactly what happens in the legal system on a daily basis. Obviously, you do not. And you have yet to explain discrepancies in sentencing based on SES and race. It happens, it is happening on a daily basis, and the DOJ statistics prove it.
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Trial lawyer and a business owner.
 
Byrdie714 said:
They can also do a payment plan with an attorney. Many attorneys are willing to work with you.
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Oh, yeah.....lawyers regualarly grant credit to people working in minimum wage jobs that can't afford to make payments. Get a grip.

And I've yet to meet one that doesn't require an up front consultation fee prior to even agreeing to represent a client. Where do you suggest someone working a minimum wage job and trying to support themselves and a family come up with a $250.00 consult fee just to find out if the attorney will take your case? The fact of the matter is, you don't got the money, you don't got legal representation unless it is through a public defender. And we all know the effectiveness of public defenders. That is simply an effort to comply with the right to legal counsel....it is a joke.
 
Byrdie714 said:
The can always mortage their house if they have one....

Sell their car....

Cut some luxuries out of their budget....

Bail....

Ask for a loan from friends and family.....

If they got credit cards, use it...

List is endless....
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It's all about money isn't it? If you don't have the money, You get longer jail time. All People need to take responsibility for their actions include celebrities.

What about Mischa Barton? she’s a pill-popping, joint smoking, drunk who can’t drive. Mischa posted 10K bailed and was escorted home by her proud parents. Lindsay Lohan spend 24 hours in prison just because she promise she will never use drugs again, Yea right!!
 
Byrdie714 said:
Trial lawyer and a business owner.
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Why am I having such a hard time believing that you're actually a trial lawyer yet I don't see you offer any advice on how to deal with Bear's son case?
 
Angel said:
Why am I having such a hard time believing that you're actually a trial lawyer yet I don't see you offer any advice on how to deal with Bear's son case?
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lol :gpost: Angel!
 
Byrdie714, you should know that police tends to manipulate some people, often younger kids into making false confessions and in Bear's son case, he wasn't in any kind of state of mind to be making a legitimate confession. He was 12 year old at that time and his own mother wasn't even in the same room with him nor was at the police station because no one called her, the more the police push him, the more he's just going to tell them what he thinks will make it stop, regardless of what the truth is, just like torture even though he didnt do it , there was no evidence, DNA testing or any rape kit, that's why kids are being false imprisonment because of this!!!
 
even better :gpost: Angel! You said it all, I disagree with them being allowed to even talk to our children in a criminal case without the parents being notified first.

I believe when the cops were called, they should have immediately brought all parties to the police station, then notified me. They should never have been with my son at the other woman's house talking to him there without my knowledge.

Now I know this may be legal. But it certainly makes no sense nor is it smart.


Angel is totally right about kids not being able to distinguish that they can try to trap you by making false promises. They are also usually not able to know that they can call a lawyer. Usually kids WILL say or do anything to just make it stop.
 
Exactly Bear!!! and perhaps it time for the justice system, laywer and judge get their lazy asses up and protect these innocent children!!! :pissed:
 
Angel said:
Exactly Bear!!! and perhaps it time for the justice system, laywer and judge get their lazy asses up and protect these innocent children!!! :pissed:
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LOL Angel that wont happen because for one money, the state funds the juveniles within the system. It is a big money making operation. Which a lot of people doesnt see or know about. And alot of other people wanna deny happening.

Number two elections. If they are seen as being too soft on juvenile crime, then they face not getting re elected.

What really needs to happen is the forcing of better defenses no matter how much money you have. I believe all lawyers should HAVE to charge the same rate no matter how rich their client is.If this happened, maybe the lawyers would be more apt to give a fair defense for their clients.


I also believe we need better juvenile written laws. This may help for the juvenile justice system.

However, the juvenile justice system isnt the only system with its flaws. Many innocent adults also end up in jail.

We need a better system to prevent these innocents from ending up in jail. We need a way to stop people from using the system as a revenge tool. We also need a way to better investigate.
 
Weed out corrupted judges, lawyers and cops as not to have anyone in court as corrupted staff working in there.
 
~SG~ said:
Weed out corrupted judges, lawyers and cops as not to have anyone in court as corrupted staff working in there.
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that would help too sis SG but many people would ask you how you expect us to go about doing so?
 
Bear said:
that would help too sis SG but many people would ask you how you expect us to go about doing so?
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hmm umm 3 strikes you're out!. That would be difficult how to weed out corrupted staff, perhaps someone caught them in act that they broke the law of not following the book or not following their ethics rules of judge, cops and lawyer or something.
 
Angel said:
Why am I having such a hard time believing that you're actually a trial lawyer yet I don't see you offer any advice on how to deal with Bear's son case?
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Byrdie hasn't answered my question of where he got his JD, either. That's the degree that makes you eligble to take the bar exam and become liscensed as an attorney. And any trial attorney is client focused, not system focused. They know how corrupt the system is because they defend people in it every day, and they know all the loopholes and how to avoid a jail sentence. Byrdie's posts are more in line with being a district attorney.....the one who prosecutes and puts people in jail for the state.

But, in reality, I don't beleive that Byrdie is a lawyer at all. Just doesn't add up.
 
Angel said:
Byrdie714, you should know that police tends to manipulate some people, often younger kids into making false confessions and in Bear's son case, he wasn't in any kind of state of mind to be making a legitimate confession. He was 12 year old at that time and his own mother wasn't even in the same room with him nor was at the police station because no one called her, the more the police push him, the more he's just going to tell them what he thinks will make it stop, regardless of what the truth is, just like torture even though he didnt do it , there was no evidence, DNA testing or any rape kit, that's why kids are being false imprisonment because of this!!!
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Exactly. Any trial lawyer worth a penny would be fighting this injustice. Trial lawyers make their career out of defending people.
 
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