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Old 07-24-2007, 03:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Do you consider 18 years old as a child molester if

he/she has a sex with 17 years old girl/boy? Not just one year age difference but a very few years age difference.


Yes or not and explain why you agree or not... I am not interesting to hear about facts and law... but your own feeling and POV on this issues...


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Old 07-24-2007, 03:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, what's your opinion ?
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Old 07-24-2007, 04:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Well, what's your opinion ?
I thought you know my opinion in several threads...

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http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates...-old-girl.html


I do not consider legal age as child molester because they want sex each other with no force...
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Old 07-24-2007, 04:59 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I voted No.

Because they both are over legal age to have Sex in many Commonwealth countries!!

Except in USA I think?
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I voted No.

Because they both are over legal age to have Sex in many Commonwealth countries!!

Except in USA I think?
Yes, but it's America, I am referring to since I notice some people consider 18 years old/legal age as child molester/sex offense for have sex with 17 years old or a few years younger in some threads.

The reason I created a thread is because I want to know your view on this issue but not talk about fact and law like what I said in my first thread.
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:37 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I voted no, I don't think a year in differences would be much of a big deal. That's just in my opinion.
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:56 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The poll question doesn't give any circumstances, so it's way too broad to give a simple yes or no answer. It doesn't say whether or not it was consensual, whether or not this was a pattern for the guy, what the maturity level was for the girl, or any other details.
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The poll question doesn't give any circumstances, so it's way too broad to give a simple yes or no answer. It doesn't say whether or not it was consensual, whether or not this was a pattern for the guy, what the maturity level was for the girl, or any other details.
It's not hard to answer Yes or No after read my response post toward Opal's post.

Accord USA law:
Statutory Rape is be consider if a 18 years old (legal age) have a sex with 17 years old (minor) or few years younger. 18 years old get register as sex offense and also label them as sex molester, too.

Again, I am not here to talk about the fact and law but your own POV on my question. This is a simple question: Do you consider 18 years old as sex molester for have sex with one year younger or few years younger ?
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:54 AM   #9 (permalink)
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... Do you consider 18 years old as sex molester for have sex with one year younger or few years younger ?
Depends on the circumstances.
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Depends on the circumstances.
what do you mean?

They want to have sex each other with no force, that's what I am question about, not Rapist who force to have sex.
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what do you mean?

They want to have sex each other with no force, that's what I am question about, not Rapist who force to have sex.
Your poll question does not state the circumstances. There is no one answer that fits every situation.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
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well, under 18 or 21 in some states are considered children.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:41 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I guess I am a child molester, cause I was 19 years old when I lost
my virgin and did it with a 17 years old virgin boy.
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Old 07-24-2007, 01:12 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Accord USA law:
Statutory Rape is be consider if a 18 years old (legal age) have a sex with 17 years old (minor) or few years younger. 18 years old get register as sex offense and also label them as sex molester, too.
My Friend who i call one of my brothers had this happen to him. He went to a party and had sex with a girl who claimed to be 18 and he had just turned 18 a month before this well she turned out to be 15 1/2 or something and went bragging to her friends and a teacher over heard and told the principal and the principal called the police and she admitted to having sex but not claming to be 18 so now he's sitting in jail for 3 months and will have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.

I voted No my ex fiance was 18 and i was 16. but the law doesn't care about where you are if you are under 18 you are not mature enough to have sexual relations unlike if you are in a non sexual relationship it's not illegal if the underage party turns 16 before the over age party turns 19.
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Your poll question does not state the circumstances. There is no one answer that fits every situation.
My question is not hard to answer... Legal age is being register sex offence/also label as sex molester thatīs because he has sex with 17 years old... See the example of Lil_country_galīs story...

I see nothing wrong if they want to have sex each other with no force but Rape is a different story.

I donīt like if anyone use it as an excuse to get legal age in trouble when she or he agree to have sex with him or her in first place.
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I guess I am a child molester, cause I was 19 years old when I lost
my virgin and did it with a 17 years old virgin boy.
Do you really think that you are a child molester thatīs because you has sex with 17 years old boy? Whatīs about your view and feeling about this? Do you force him to have sex with you?
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No, if the 18 and 17 year old are in a relationship. I had sex with my ex hubby when he was 19 and I was 17 years old. Oh well..


If the 18 year old forces the girl to have sex when she says no, then yes, he is a molester or rapist.
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No, if the 18 and 17 year old are in a relationship. I had sex with my ex hubby when he was 19 and I was 17 years old. Oh well..


If the 18 year old forces the girl to have sex when she says no, then yes, he is a molester or rapist.
Thatīs an exactly what I am wondering about.
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My question is not hard to answer... Legal age is being register sex offence/also label as sex molester thatīs because he has sex with 17 years old... See the example of Lil_country_galīs story...
That's why I said it depends on the circumstances. I don't understand how you can make such snap judgments without knowing all the facts and circumstances of a situation.

It's just an informal poll, and if I don't want to vote, so what?


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I donīt like if anyone use it as an excuse to get legal age in trouble when she or he agree to have sex with him or her in first place.
That's why sons should listen to their dad's advice when he tells them, "Don't mess around with girls under 18."

If they want to take their chances, then they have to live with the consequences.
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I vote no, of course not. My cousin Josh, was 19 that time, he was dating with a girl who was 16 which only 3 years younger. Then that girl's grandparents end up trying to sue Josh and trying to put him in the prison, many crazy things so they finally left Washington and stayed in Minnesota till that girl became 18.

I absolutely don't believe in the ageism, the age is just number..
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That's why I said it depends on the circumstances. I don't understand how you can make such snap judgments without knowing all the facts and circumstances of a situation.
I am not interesting the fact and law but question about those ages between legal age and few years younger minor who want to have sex each other is consider to be sex molester or not.


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It's just an informal poll, and if I don't want to vote, so what?
I did not say that you should vote it but wonder why you do not accept those poll because it's not right. Those question, I ask is not hard. Vote on the poll voluntarity. Nobody forces you to vote the poll. It's your decision.

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That's why sons should listen to their dad's advice when he tells them, "Don't mess around with girls under 18."

If they want to take their chances, then they have to live with the consequences.
Like what PuyoPiyo said "I absolutely don't believe in the ageism, the age is just number.." The reason why I disagree with Statutory Rape because a lot of people use this as an excuse to destory the people's live...

I only consider a sex offense/child molester who force to have sex with victims or seduce children...

All what I said is age is only number...
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I vote no, of course not. My cousin Josh, was 19 that time, he was dating with a girl who was 16 which only 3 years younger. Then that girl's grandparents end up trying to sue Josh and trying to put him in the prison, many crazy things so they finally left Washington and stayed in Minnesota till that girl became 18.
It's very sad to know that the people use those Statutory Rape law as an excuse to against other people as a revenage...

I only do something to protect my children if they are being force or seduce to have sex...





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I absolutely don't believe in the ageism, the age is just number..
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Old 07-25-2007, 05:42 AM   #23 (permalink)
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u posted a very good thread liebling and i have to say this i know i voted yes because unless the child is going to be 18 within few months from now, i am a firm beliver in 2 things if you are 18 and u have any common decency not to get ur ass in jail on a statuary rape, then you best use common sense and wait til she turns 18 or vice versa, however, if parent empacated thier child who's 17 then she is consented to be an adult and is not going to be in trouble with the law, but consider the 18 yr old who are suddenly having sex with 16 or less year old girls, who's to say they will be repeat offenders they won't have a care in the world, for one reason only thier thinking with thier dick and not thier head, some poeple i know will not do anything until both reach the age of 18, i have a friend who has a brother thats 18 and his gf was 17 shy of 18 both had agreed to wait until she was 18 and only then wld they truly be ready, well they broke up shy after her 18th birthday and she left for the mainland and he's here dating an adult now and knows that this is what he wants to do from then on. no more dating young teens.

consider urself in the postion, i wouldn't as a parent let my kid be the bait for the age of reason. I rather him be ready but same time NOT let himself get in trouble if the other parents are over protective.

i know im yapping but thats what i came to in my mind. so in a sense yes and no.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:36 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I am not interesting the fact and law but question about those ages between legal age and few years younger minor who want to have sex each other is consider to be sex molester or not.
But your poll leaves out all the factors, so it's meaningless.


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I did not say that you should vote it but wonder why you do not accept those poll because it's not right. Those question, I ask is not hard. Vote on the poll voluntarity. Nobody forces you to vote the poll. It's your decision.
The question isn't "hard"; it just doesn't offer enough reasonable options; it doesn't even include "other". I'm just suggesting people consider all options before answering.


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...All what I said is age is only number...
Think a little deeper about that. It's a cute quote but it doesn't make sense. Age is a very strong factor in people's relationships and daily life. It doesn't have to be a controlling or deciding factor but it is a factor nevertheless.
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Do you really think that you are a child molester thatīs because you has sex with 17 years old boy? Whatīs about your view and feeling about this? Do you force him to have sex with you?

I guess so. I didn't know enough about the law. No, I didn't force him,
he was so cute and I was so in LOVE... I asked him if I can kiss him
and I kissed him on the cheek. And after that, I asked him if we can
have sex. And we dropped our pants and we did it on my twin size bed, we were both virgins, and we didn't know what we were doing... I didn't
know where to put my legs... and he tried to put it in... So I got on
top of him and successfully put it in there... and I don't know how to
hump.... so that was it.
And next day, I bought me a box of pregnancy test and test myself..
and I was so disappointed I didn't get pregnant... Oh well.
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I guess so. I didn't know enough about the law. No, I didn't force him,
he was so cute and I was so in LOVE... I asked him if I can kiss him
and I kissed him on the cheek. And after that, I asked him if we can
have sex. And we dropped our pants and we did it on my twin size bed, we were both virgins, and we didn't know what we were doing... I didn't
know where to put my legs... and he tried to put it in... So I got on
top of him and successfully put it in there... and I don't know how to
hump.... so that was it.
And next day, I bought me a box of pregnancy test and test myself..
and I was so disappointed I didn't get pregnant... Oh well.
Oh my gosh, too much info!
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I vote No because Age are not matter. How you tell me that My husband is 43 years olds and I am 35 years old? He is much older than me.

I vote yes if boy try to force or girl lie about her age.

I cannot choose yes or no.
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I vote No because Age are not matter. How you tell me that My husband is 43 years olds and I am 35 years old? He is much older than me.

I vote yes if boy try to force or girl lie about her age.

I cannot choose yes or no.
Yes, thatīs right.

My hubby is 53 years old and I am 44 years old. The age is just number... *shrug*

Yes, I consider a person who try to force to have sex with other person as child-molester, sex offense or Rapist because force to have sex is a crime, no matter how age limit is. Example: I (44 years old) can sue a (30 years old) person who force to have sex with me. I am for age unlimited because I should be treat the equal as others who feel being victim by them.
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53-year-old man - 44-year-old woman = 9-year age difference

19-year-old man - 10-year-old girl = 9-year age difference


Are these equivalent? They're both a 9-year age difference.

Even if the 19-year-old man doesn't "force" the 10-year-old girl, is the age difference OK?
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53-year-old man - 44-year-old woman = 9-year age difference

19-year-old man - 10-year-old girl = 9-year age difference


Are these equivalent? They're both a 9-year age difference.

Even if the 19-year-old man doesn't "force" the 10-year-old girl, is the age difference OK?
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