Dear Alex....

[Byrdie714]

(** Disclaimer**--Only Alex can lock this thread--not the Moderators. )

Dear Alex,

I just wanted to say that I think it's cool that you are the founder of this fantastic website as well as TagDeaf.com . No doubt that you had worked hard to make it successful and as one can see--quite popular.

Sometimes--one has to take an unpopular stand against the "status quo".

I am a little disappointed in your leadership skills in what had transpired this past week. I had the misfortune to have been put inadvertently in an awkward situation when it was discovered that a member created a "fake deaf website" using the All Deaf logo, as well as having multiple screen name accounts. Being a responsible member--I alerted the Moderators of this situation as it is a copyright infringement, defamation of All Deaf and a violation of terms of service agreement and forum rules which we all agreed to when we became members of All Deaf.

The passivity of the situation leaves a bad taste to the members of the All Deaf community that I have come to enjoy debating, sharing trials and triumphs, advice, sense of humor, and importantly, above all--friendships.

I am saddend to see the forum to come to this on your part as it shows favoritism, disregard of what you have worked for, lack of responsibility, lack of couth, lack of principle, and adherence to the Terms of service agreement, forum rules, and above all--a non-existent leadership.

I do hope that you realize this and come to a responsible conclusion as one can not be speaking out of "both sides of their mouths"--so to speak.

Now I hope that you don't ban me but you can ban me all you want as that is your decision. However.... remember this: I can always be a member of AD by having a different IP address, different SN, and a different email address.

I am taking a break from All Deaf starting today as I have some life transistions that are taking place in my private life, professional life, and hopefully will come back as Byrdie714 and to a better, sustainable and more successful All Deaf forum.

Sincerely your friend,
Byrdie714

 

[naisho]

I would like drop a friendly reminder, due to the nature that I feel the issue doesn't concern a majority of the users of alldeaf.

There are two sides to every story.

There are reasons for what I had done and that why I contacted the proper authority for approval prior to proceeding.

Should one have an issue with the things I am currently doing or have done, and/or feel wronged in some form or another, they are much more than welcome to address it in Private Messaging to the moderation team or even myself.

Should there be an issue with the way the website is ran, the proper direction for feedback is towards the administration team/or Alex.

I don't see why it would result in a ban, but it is saddening to see that you are planning to leave on intent of this.

Thank you.

 

[Byrdie714]

There are reasons for what I had done and that why I contacted the proper authority for approval prior to proceeding.

If that was the case--then why complained to me when I reported you to the moderators in regards to the "fake deaf website"?

Obviously your motives says otherwise.

 

[naisho]

Because I questioned the basis of our friendship and trust.

I'm done here. I have no need to debate or continue.

Peace.

 

[Byrdie714]

Because I questioned the basis of our friendship and trust.

I'm done here. I have no need to debate or continue.

Peace.

You were the one that made the decision in breaking friendship with me after I reported you to the Moderators.

The difference between you and I is that my offer of friendship is genuine, whereas yours isn't --when you shared the "fake deaf website" as that clearly shows your intentions of defamation of the AD website, regardless if you have permission or not.

After you did that--I lost my respect for you.

 

[shel90]

It sure would suck if u leave, Byrdie....

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Byrdie & naisho,

Sure, each person make mistakes but you both are good people. It´s sad to see your posts here... I hope Alex will resolve this issues with you both to peace.

I hope Alex will answer your post, Byrdie.

I hope you both won´t leave AD Forum because of this.

both...

 

[Frisky Feline]

apparently, alex had already settle down with each of you guys. yet, why bring it up again and make the thread to get alex attention again?

 

[Jiro]

You were the one that made the decision in breaking friendship with me after I reported you to the Moderators.

The difference between you and I is that my offer of friendship is genuine, whereas yours isn't --when you shared the "fake deaf website" as that clearly shows your intentions of defamation of the AD website, regardless if you have permission or not.

After you did that--I lost my respect for you.

Alex cleared him of wrongdoings because he understood Naisho's intention (which is not to defame AD) so I don't know why would you still think like that. Naisho has a very curious nature and he simply wants to dissect the forum software that AD uses - and I can do same. This is simply a case of unnecessary overreaction on your part and I hope you come to resolution that you misunderstood Naisho's intention.

 

[Byrdie714]

Alex cleared him of wrongdoings because he understood Naisho's intention (which is not to defame AD) so I don't know why would you still think like that. Naisho has a very curious nature and he simply wants to dissect the forum software that AD uses - and I can do same. This is simply a case of unnecessary overreaction on your part and I hope you come to resolution that you misunderstood Naisho's intention.

Good morning Jiro--I hope you are well rested from last night.

To answer your question/statement, it was after the fact that it was brought to the attention of the moderators and administrator which clearly shows his intentions.

Look at it from my viewpoint--legally and ethically.

Also...The funny thing is - Why would Naisho question my trust and friendship when he knew the fake ad website was the wrong thing to do to begin with?

 

[Bottesini]

Somehow I missed this. Was it a fake AD website? Why? What purpose?

 

[jillio]

Somehow I missed this. Was it a fake AD website? Why? What purpose?

A fake website was created to give a banned member an opportunity to respond to his ban. I have to agree with Byrdie on this one. If a member has been banned, the mods have made the decision based on the information available to them. It is not for us, as members, to attempt to circumvent that by creating fake websites that could, in effect, create negative consequences not just for AD as a whole, but for various members as individuals.

The legal and ethical ramifications could be very serious, indeed. While intent may not have been malicious, good intentions do not always produce good results.

 

[shel90]

A fake website was created to give a banned member an opportunity to respond to his ban.

Holy cow!!! That's amazing!

 

[naisho]

I ask of members not to assume what you do not know, please.

Who said that I intently created it for banned members?

A fake website was created to give a banned member an opportunity to respond to his ban.

You?



If people want to settle this in private messaging I would gladly do so.

Again, I feel the need to step in because people are portraying me in negative light. But I am not continuing as to argue, just to solidify my points so the crowd does not turn the wrong way.

 

[jillio]

I ask of members not to assume what you do not know, please.

Who said that I intently created it for banned members?

You?

If people want to settle this in private messaging I would gladly do so.

I stated that you created it to give "a banned member" not "banned members" a chance to respond to the events that led up to that specific ban. Do you deny that? Do you deny stating that you felt the mods had acted unfairly, or that you even stated on the fake website that you were negotiating with the mods to have this member reinstated?

Do you deny PMing me asking me for information regarding this banned member, and for my opinion regarding that member's ban?

 

[Jiro]

Good morning Jiro--I hope you are well rested from last night.

It was a very good time and I look forward to next one. Funny thing is.... while my ASL skill is very very basic, I actually know more of what's going on (in terms of convo) than in my hearing social group. :-o and that is good!

To answer your question/statement, it was after the fact that it was brought to the attention of the moderators and administrator which clearly shows his intentions.

Look at it from my viewpoint--legally and ethically.

si si I perfectly understand. But what I meant is your continuing action & behavior toward him AFTER the incident. again - I understand your intention and reasoning. well good luck!

Also...The funny thing is - Why would Naisho question my trust and friendship when he knew the fake ad website was the wrong thing to do to begin with?

You'll have to ask naisho about that But I can tell you this - this whole thing began with his insatiable needs in investigating and finding out who the stalker was.

 

[jillio]

It was a very good time and I look forward to next one. Funny thing is.... while my ASL skill is very very basic, I actually know more of what's going on (in terms of convo) than in my hearing social group. :-o and that is good!


si si I perfectly understand. But what I meant is your continuing action & behavior toward him AFTER the incident. again - I understand your intention and reasoning. well good luck!


You'll have to ask naisho about that But I can tell you this - this whole thing began with his insatiable needs in investigating and finding out who the stalker was.

Which was something that he did not need to know. This was a situation for the mods to handle, and they did so to the best of their abilities, based on cummulative information at their disposal. In fact, the way that naisho responded could very well be perceived as stalking behavior in and of itself.

 

[shel90]

Oh boyeee...sounds like serious stuff here.

Hope nobody will get banned from this.

 

[Jiro]

A fake website was created to give a banned member an opportunity to respond to his ban. I have to agree with Byrdie on this one. If a member has been banned, the mods have made the decision based on the information available to them. It is not for us, as members, to attempt to circumvent that by creating fake websites that could, in effect, create negative consequences not just for AD as a whole, but for various members as individuals.

The legal and ethical ramifications could be very serious, indeed. While intent may not have been malicious, good intentions do not always produce good results.

I thought it is in your ethical nature to correct the misinformation/disinformation. apparently not.... Perhaps it is in your best interest to not participate in tag teaming in this nonsense - especially when Alex and mods have cleared him of wrongdoings and that ended everything.

why re-open the can of worm?

 

[jillio]

Oh boyeee...sounds like serious stuff here.

Hope nobody will get banned from this.

I hope not either, Shel. But when I saw the thread, I felt it was important for me to put in my 2 cents, as this boils down to an ethical issue. I cannot compromise my ethics.