The world's second-ever octuplets were born

ncff07 said:
i didnt say wheres the pix jiro said pix or it didnt happen... meant a pic of you anyways besides the family stuff! :P

i think thats how it went im tired i think my brain has fallen alseep.
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gotta give me credit for trying...:laugh2:
 
naisho said:
This is my take over the whole issue right now:
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I'm not sure what's really going on, so anyone wanna give me a cliffnotes version in one sentence?
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whoa calm down. here's some ritalin
 
ok so with ritalin now i feel like
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but i still dont know what's really going on..

earth to distress signal NEED HELP!
 
naisho said:
This is my take over the whole issue right now:
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I'm not sure what's really going on, so anyone wanna give me a cliffnotes version in one sentence?
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Secretblend jumped on me because I said I would give up the babies for adoption if I had 8 babies all at once, since I do not think I can take care of that many babies all at once. Secretblend acted like it was the worst sin ever. Look:

Secretblend said:
I cannot believe you are even suggesting that! Would you give up your babies just cause you got alot of them?
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LuciaDisturbed said:
Yes, if I had that many babies! I don't think I could handle 8 babies! :shock: I even think just 1 baby is a LOT of work! I don't even want to have a baby yet, I am not ready for even one baby yet! I would find adoptive families for most or all of my babies if I had 8 babies all at once! I only want one baby, naturally.

Plus, you have to consider how much it would cost to take care of and raise all 8 babies PLUS pay all their MEDICAL BILLS! I would think the medical bills would be in the millions, and I am pretty sure many insurance companies will refuse to cover everything for 8 babies.
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Secretblend said:
Yea right! Once you have your own child, your view would change. The truth is, NO you wouldn't!

I'm ashamed now cause you are considered part of human race.
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Geez. Is Adoption such a bad thing? I wasn't even talking abortion at that point! I was just being realistic in my abilities to care for that many babies at once, and now he's ashamed that I am considered part of the human race and is now condemning me? :roll: Then he is also condemning many teenager mothers who realize they cannot care for a single baby, and makes a wise decision to place the baby with an adoptive family. :roll:
 
hmm, thanks for bringing me up to speed Lucia.
I'll sit back and watch from atop the stone pillars until I am ready to attack.
 
I agreed with you, LuciaDisturbed.

I felt bad for some mothers who cannot have a baby due to many reasons same like with my best friend, she can't get pregnant because of her utres(sp) isn't in right shape and it could effect her to having miscarriages, it would take a try for a million times, one out of them could be successful. I think it's crazy for people having more kids than limit since I watched the tv show about family who have 17 kids, they just had a baby that born already and they are STILL getting MORE kids! It's VERY silly, I don't mind if getting 6 kids at once that's good enough for them to having 6 kids. But to be honest, I sort of suspect because of some people getting more than 7 kids or so, I forgot numbers, taxes will back off and won't ask you to owe them or paying them back or take some from your paychecks.
 
Oh also! Why can't they think of other kids who are leaving behind? Like who wants to be adopt?! Now I feel bad for that kids who are leaving behind!
 
I felt bad for some mothers who cannot have a baby due to many reasons same like with my best friend, she can't get pregnant because of her utres(sp) isn't in right shape and it could effect her to having miscarriages, it would take a try for a million times, one out of them could be successful. I think it's crazy for people having more kids than limit since I watched the tv show about family who have 17 kids, they just had a baby that born already and they are STILL getting MORE kids! It's VERY silly, I don't mind if getting 6 kids at once that's good enough for them to having 6 kids. But to be honest, I sort of suspect because of some people getting more than 7 kids or so, I forgot numbers, taxes will back off and won't ask you to owe them or paying them back or take some from your paychecks.

What about kids who are leaving behind and wants to be adopt? Now I feel bad for that kids who are leaving behind and wait for someone to adopt them. *sighs*
 
Octuplets' Mom: Can She Afford to Raise 14 Kids?

Grandmother of Octuplets, Who Shares a Home With the Mom of the Eight Babies, Filed for Bankruptcy Last Year

By SABINA GHEBREMEDHIN, SANTINA LEUCI, ALICE GOMSTYN and DAN CHILDS
Jan. 31, 2009

SHARE The California woman who gave birth to octuplets on Monday, although once married, seems to have had all 14 of her kids out of wedlock -- and various public records raise questions about the family's ability to support them.

ABC News has learned through San Bernardino Superior Court Records that the 33-year-old California woman, whose name is Nadya Doud (she filed to have her name changed to Nadya Suleman in 2001 -- though it was not clear if the request was granted), divorced her husband, Marcos Gutierrez, in January 2008.

The document indicates "no children of the marriage," suggesting that Gutierrez was not the father of Doud's previous six children.

Doud lived with Gutierrez for about three-and-a-half years from August 1996 until January 2000, when she moved back with her parents, Edward and Angela Suleman, living at several addresses, records show. The parents were granted a divorce in Las Vegas in 1999, but evidently still live together.

Within a few years of living with Gutierrez, Doud began having her 14 children.

Another set of court documents may raise the question of whether Doud will be able to afford care for all those kids. The public records indicate that Doud's mother filed for bankruptcy in March 2008.

The family currently lives in a three-bedroom home in suburban Los Angeles.

As of March, Edward Suleman, apparently the octuplets' grandfather, was working in Iraq, according to the bankruptcy filing. The couple's combined monthly income was listed as roughly $8,740, but the filing indicated that Angela Suleman expected their income would rise from her husband's employment. It said that he would earn $100,000 a year. The document did not specify Suleman's husband's occupation, but Suleman told the Los Angeles Times that her husband was a contractor.
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ABC News: Octuplets' Mom: Can She Afford to Raise 14 Kids?

Plus--the woman is on public assistance.....

Immigrant has octuplets; California taxpayers to cough up $2 Million

By Wing Chun Geologist on January 30, 2009 at 08:31 pm No Comments Yet
Immigrant has octuplets; California taxpayers to cough up $2 Million

Usually when a woman has septuplets or octuplets, it makes the news big time. The story is treated as an amazing accomplishment by the mother, and tremendous blessing to the parents and society as a whole. Seldomly does the media follow up on the health problems experienced by the children, such as cerebral palsy. Less frequently still does the media look at the cost. In most cases the medical care for large births like that run about $250,000 per child, and the taxpayer foots the bill.

Mark Perloe, MD and E. Scott Sills, MD, of the Atlanta Reproductive Health Center, say that no one likes to count pennies when it comes to health care, especially for premature babies, but these multiple births are accompanied by huge expenses. Doctors caring for the octuplets born in Houston in 1998 estimated the babies’ care cost at least $2 million (about $250,000 per infant) before they even went home. Add the likely expenses for providing ongoing medical care after the babies left the hospital, and the cost quickly soared into the millions.


Even so, the media is usually all over the story when a woman has 7 or 8 babies. That’s why the news blackout of the recent octuplets born in Bellflower, CA created its own news sensation. Who was the mother? Who was the father? Reporter and news consumers wanted to know, mostly because that information was being withheld.

As reporters for KFI radio in Los Angeles began looking into the story, several facts emerged. The mother has six other children and reportedly was on some form of public assistance. The local CBS affiliate has reported that the family involved had filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home last year. KFI has reported a number of items about the mother:

1. She is a Middle Eastern Immigrant
2. Her parents may be from Iraq
3. She is on public assistance
4. She is not married to the biological father, although he is the father of her other children.
5. The biological father is “happily” married to someone else, and has a family with his wife.
6. The mother refused to selectively terminate any of the fetuses she was carrying.
7. The pregnancy was definitely planned.
8. The mother’s parents have hired a private investigator.
9. The PI has been telling neighbors and friends not to talk to the media.

Much of the media coverage has been on the issue of what fertility treatments the mother might have had leading to the pregnancy. The probability of a woman having octuplets without fertility treatment is a near statistical impossibility.

The chances that the eight babies born Monday were conceived naturally are infinitesimal, infertility specialists and doctors in maternal-fetal medicine say. Today’s reproductive experts have the tools and the know-how to avoid such high-risk pregnancies — and often try desperately to do so.

Ethical fertility specialists will usually do all they can to avoid large multiple births. It is dangerous for a woman to try and carry so many babies, and even more dangerous for the babies themselves.


While all eight of the Bellflower infants were listed in “stable” condition, two were placed on ventilators because of breathing problems. And a “stable” diagnosis guarantees next to nothing in terms of how they will be faring tomorrow, or five or 10 years hence. Premature babies account for more than half of all infants who do not survive the first year of life. Those who do survive often encounter problems ranging from blindness and feedingproblems to cerebral palsy and long-term developmental disabilities.


In most “tuplet” cases, fertility treatment is involved.

It is no coincidence that premature births in this country have risen at the same time that more women are undergoing fertility treatments. According to the National Center for Health Statistics, the rate of preterm births in the United States—defined as birth at less than 37 completed weeks of gestation—has risen by 36% since the early 1980s. Nearly 536,000 babies were born too soon in 2006.

One of the main reasons for the growing number of preterm births is a high number of births of twins and “higher-order multiples,” all of which are more likely to come into the world too soon. Triplet-and-higher births increased nearly fivefold from 1980 to 1998 before leveling off over the last decade, and experts attribute the bulk of the rise to “assisted reproduction.”

In the case of the Bellflower octuplets, the hospital wouldn’t say whether the mother had been using fertility drugs—but most experts consulted by the media say there is little doubt that she had. The octuplets’ births are just the latest in a series of high-profile births of octuplets, septuplets and sextuplets presumably made possible by fertility treatments. Many of these babies did not survive.

While many are looking at this as an issue that raises questions about the practice of fertility doctors, I believe that it also throws up red flags about socialized medicine. When something is free, some people will take advantage of the system. The state of California is destitute, and the decisions made by this mother and her happily-married-to-someone-else sperm provider will cost the state millions of dollars by the time all the babies go home. It is highly likely that some of those babies will require expensive ongoing medical care, as well as expensive special education classes. It is too early to even calculate the total cost to the California taxpayer
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Good article, Byrdie. Like I have been saying, this raises all kinds of social and ethical questions. It is not a miracle.
 
jillio said:
Good article, Byrdie. Like I have been saying, this raises all kinds of social and ethical questions. It is not a miracle.
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They are already mentioning that it's costs approxiamately $ 250,000-$ 300,000 a day per child!

Sucks to be a California taxpayer at the moment. No offense to those that live in California. This is ridiculous. Then again------maybe the government of California will issue an IOU instead. :lol:
 
Byrdie714 said:
They are already mentioning that it's costs approxiamately $ 250,000-$ 300,000 a day per child!

Sucks to be a California taxpayer at the moment. No offense to those that live in California. This is ridiculous. Then again------maybe the government of California will issue an IOU instead. :lol:
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Yep. For all those that laud the miracle of birth under any circumstances, and are so against a woman's right to choose not to be pregnant, yet support her right to choose to deliver octuplets despite the medical ethics that come into play.....you guys willing to shell out the bucks to support these babies?
 
California provides free fertility drugs? And services for the poor that can not afford it??

I feel the Dr. That allowed this should have his license taken away for endangering the womans life. Especially when she is already a mother of 6.

Now the state will have to pick up the tab!! Geez she could not be happy with just 6 that she can not afford so she had to bring 8 more. :roll:
 
Secretblend said:
That's the thing, you always find a way! Right now, I can't imagine taking care of one child. However, I see alot of family taking care of few kids with less than I have.
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Yep, this woman found a way. Taxpayer money via the state of California.:roll: Right now at the rate of 250,000 per baby per day.
 
Babyblue said:
California provides free fertility drugs? And services for the poor that can not afford it??

I feel the Dr. That allowed this should have his license taken away for endangering the womans life. Especially when she is already a mother of 6.

Now the state will have to pick up the tab!! Geez she could not be happy with just 6 that she can not afford so she had to bring 8 more. :roll:
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Yep, I see some ethical violations being levied against this doctor. This is way outside the accepted standards of practice.
 
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