The world's second-ever octuplets were born

dreama said:
Ideally speaking you are right, it would be much better if things were left to nature.

The only problem is that some mothers cannot conceieve naturally. They should be advised to adopt but I wouldn't blame anyone who took the IVF route. And I also think it would be probably more constructive to push for strict regulation on egg numbers rather then banning the practice altogether.

Nadya wasnt the only mother who was implanted with so many eggs. She isn't even the only mom who's eggs actually took. There has been a number of women in this case. The most fetuses a mother was actually pregnant with was 15 but the mother had an abortion at 4 months because of the health problems that so many fetuses were causing her.

I think we should attack this at source before we read about the world's first nontuplets, or the worlds 3rd octoplets. It bothers me that Nadya is getting attacked more often then her doctor who did this to her.
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Link to support these claims, please. A valid, medical, scientific link, not a blog.
 
I honestly believe that adoption should be considered before IVF. This would remove a lot of children from the foster system. Now I can empathize with parents who have fertility issues and would like to try conceiving one of their own, but adopting a newborn would be a more practical option. The newborn would know no different that the parents that adopted them from their biological parent, the parents get to share the joy and the pains of raising a child, and a child is spared being shuffled around without a sense of belonging.

That doesn't require science to figure out, that's just common sense.

I have a friend of mine that is very well off and she has fertility issues. She is married and both her and her husband have good jobs. They are currently trying IVF and she has only 3 embryos implanted and so far none have taken.

She understands the risks involved and she doesnt want a bunch of children, she just wants 2, three at the most.
 
Dixie said:
I honestly believe that adoption should be considered before IVF.
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I would definately agree with that.

I don't think anyone really wants more then two or three but some don't have the common sense to stick to a sensable number of eggs.

I've been reading a few interesting articles about IVF. It seems the high cost of the whole thing and also some clincs offer 'success or your money back' (or at least that's according to the article I read). That means their is a major push for high numbers of eggs coupled with lots of fertility drugs.

Maybe it would be differant if they just had to pay one fee then produce lots of eggs. Then they could freeze most of them and put them in two at a time until at least one of the eggs took.
 
dreama said:
I would definately agree with that.

I don't think anyone really wants more then two or three but some don't have the common sense to stick to a sensable number of eggs.

I've been reading a few interesting articles about IVF. It seems the high cost of the whole thing and also some clincs offer 'success or your money back' (or at least that's according to the article I read). That means their is a major push for high numbers of eggs coupled with lots of fertility drugs.

Maybe it would be differant if they just had to pay one fee then produce lots of eggs. Then they could freeze most of them and put them in two at a time until at least one of the eggs took.
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They don't use fertility drugs with IVF. Either one takes FSH drugs or one has IVF. They are not done together.

And they do harvest several eggs and fertilize them in the lab. Those are then frozen. As a matter of fact, these octuplets were born from embryos that had been frozen after her first IVF.

They don't implant eggs. They implant embryos. The embryos are conceived in a petri dish using eggs harvested from a woman and sperm donated by a man. Once the embryo has been conceived in a laboratory, it is frozen until implantation.
 
Dixie said:
I honestly believe that adoption should be considered before IVF. This would remove a lot of children from the foster system. Now I can empathize with parents who have fertility issues and would like to try conceiving one of their own, but adopting a newborn would be a more practical option. The newborn would know no different that the parents that adopted them from their biological parent, the parents get to share the joy and the pains of raising a child, and a child is spared being shuffled around without a sense of belonging.

That doesn't require science to figure out, that's just common sense.

I have a friend of mine that is very well off and she has fertility issues. She is married and both her and her husband have good jobs. They are currently trying IVF and she has only 3 embryos implanted and so far none have taken.

She understands the risks involved and she doesnt want a bunch of children, she just wants 2, three at the most.
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Some people want children of their own flesh and blood.

Adoption should never be ruled out. I just feel that it depends on where their heart is. What the Mother and the Father wants.

Adoption or IVF. It should be a choice.

Sad to say a lot of children are out waiting to be adopted. I just feel potential parents should not pressured to Adopt, if they want to rely on IVF as a first option.
 
Octomom had past police, child welfare visits

Cops say they've visited the homes of Nadya Suleman several times

updated 8:44 p.m. ET March 3, 2009

WHITTIER, Calif. - Police say they've visited the homes of California octuplet mom Nadya Suleman several times in the last 14 months to respond to complaints about lost, trapped or poorly cared for children.

Suleman gave birth to octuplets Jan. 26, and has six other children, ages 2 to 7.

Whittier Police Officer Jason Zulke said that in July 2008, police and the Los Angeles County Department of Child and Family Services visited Suleman's home in response to a complaint that the children appeared poorly cared for.

Zuhlke said both agencies determined the complaint was unfounded. Suleman has lived at two addresses, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Police also visited the home to free a child from a locked bedroom and when Suleman called to report her 5-year-old daughter missing. The child had wandered off after her grandmother and was found safe.

Octomom had past police, child welfare visits - Crime & courts- msnbc.com
 
Nadya Suleman, the American woman who gave birth to octuplets, has been offered $US1 million ($A1.54 million) to star in hardcore porn.

Vivid Entertainment spokeswoman Jackie Martin said the offer also promised a year of health insurance for Suleman's family.

Vivid said the offer was sent on Tuesday via overnight mail and there had been no immediate response.

The offer letter says Suleman's video would be distributed under the Vivid-Celeb imprint, which has released videos starring Pamela Anderson and Kim Kardashian.

Suleman, 33, gave birth to the octuplets on January 26 in a Californian hospital.

She has six other children, and has said all 14 of her children were conceived through in vitro fertilisation, with sperm from an unidentified, platonic friend.

Meanwhile, television talk show host Dr Phil McGraw says Suleman told him that she feared the hospital may not release her newborn octuplets to her.

McGraw said Suleman called him on Tuesday, distraught that hospital officials told her they were concerned about the babies living at her home in suburban Los Angeles.

"What she is telling me is that unless and until she has a better living arrangement, that they are not likely to release the children to her," McGraw told the Los Angeles Times.

Suleman has taped two episodes of McGraw's Dr Phil show. The first was scheduled to air in the US on Wednesday.

Suleman has not responded to repeated interview requests from The Associated Press. Her phone has been disconnected and she no longer has a publicist.

Octuplet mum offered $US1m for porn film - Yahoo!7 News




TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN!!!!111
 
Octuplet mom frantic over lost son in 911 call

Operator tells her to keep herself under control for children's sake

WHITTIER, Calif. - Police have released a recording of a frantic 911 call made by California octuplet mother Nadya Suleman when she thought she'd lost her son last year.

Police on Wednesday released the recording from Oct. 27 in which Suleman says she hadn't seen her 5-year-old son for an hour and repeatedly tells the operator she's going to kill herself.

Suleman says in the call that she feared the boy had been kidnapped. She is heard repeatedly asking "Where's my son?" before being able to provide an address or information.

The 911 operator tells the mother to keep herself under control for the children's sake.

Suleman gave birth to octuplets on Jan. 26. She also has six other children, ages 2 to 7.

Octuplet mom frantic over lost son in 911 call - Crime & courts- msnbc.com


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Just more evidence of how unstable this woman is. Frightening, really.
 
Nadya has $500.00 a week nanny watching her 6 other children, or does she? at Nadya Suleman
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Welcome to Nadya Suleman's new home! You helped pay for it! | The Dish Rag | Los Angeles Times
LA Times Blog

Nadya Suleman: A New House And Six Angry, Sad Older Kids
The Huffington Post

The more I read the worse it is every time. Nadya shouldn't be getting a damn thing in my opinion. California has a huge deficit and state workers having to take an unpaid day off from work once a week, they are cutting back certain programs, and yet the great state of California is paying for Nadya to continue the way she has for the past several years, actually rewarding her for becoming a million-dollar burden to the state.

Hmm Id like to have a nice 4 bedroom ranch style house, maybe I should go to the nearest clinic and ask no wait BEG and offer sex acts in return for the implantation of uhm lets just say 10 embryos.

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Nadya has $500.00 a week nanny watching her 6 other children, or does she? at Nadya Suleman
(blog)

Welcome to Nadya Suleman's new home! You helped pay for it! | The Dish Rag | Los Angeles Times
LA Times Blog

Nadya Suleman: A New House And Six Angry, Sad Older Kids
The Huffington Post

The more I read the worse it is every time. Nadya shouldn't be getting a damn thing in my opinion. California has a huge deficit and state workers having to take an unpaid day off from work once a week, they are cutting back certain programs, and yet the great state of California is paying for Nadya to continue the way she has for the past several years, actually rewarding her for becoming a million-dollar burden to the state.

Hmm Id like to have a nice 4 bedroom ranch style house, maybe I should go to the nearest clinic and ask no wait BEG and offer sex acts in return for the implantation of uhm lets just say 10 embryos.

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I don't want to blame the Maker against the universe. He was the one who created Adam and Eve to multiply population. I know it's love to make babies, but some people chose the wrong choices they make. Not just only people, doctors involved, too. When somethin' comes out as "miracle", it is always on the newspapers all over and then, their names become famous - well-known people. I am more concerned if, this will affect to some people to become like this woman -- copycat just like her what she did. :eek3:

Wouldn't it be nice to have the same sex people all over the world, so they don't multiply population ? You be the judge. Just think it over which one is better for you. Well, as for me - this woman doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't mean that I don't care. It's just that how the world went. It's gettin' open wider -- gone too far than before. I guess, people want somethin' different and more openness than old times ?? :shrug: People always want somethin'.

I will give it a few example: First, old times people wore their moral clothes to cover their bare skin. And, then years later durin' Hippie times, people show their love/peace ( not war ) and drugs .. maybe, swamp with their partners and stuff. And, then years later people started wearin' barely clothes to show their bare skin just like women wearin' thongs to beach or none at all. :shock: All these images give an example. Time changes and so is lifestyle.

And, NOW people are lookin' for somethin' MORE. I am wonderin' what's next ? :hmm:
 
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