The LAST Presidential Debate

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She sounds alot like George W. Bush, isn't she? :)

Yes, she does. :giggle: George W. Bush can't speak in complete sentences and Sarah Palin can't identify New Hampshire on a U.S. map. Between the two of them, I don't know who's "dumber." (Let's call it a tie. :)) If you stuck them side by side, it would be a fierce competition as to who has the lowest IQ. :laugh2:

In regards to McCain, did anyone hear his latest gaffe? At a recent rally he addressed the crowd as "My fellow prisoners." :roll:
 
Here's what Think Progress liveblogged tonight's debate;

Think Progress » Presidential Debate Live-Blogging


speaking of eye rolls and etc here's one from Daily Kos;

Daily Kos: McCain's Eye Rolls: Raw Video Montage

Here's another one;

Daily Kos: Angry

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What Obama said in this one is
Obama: I just described what my plan is. And I'm happy to talk to you, Joe, too, if you're out there. Here's your fine -- zero. You won't pay a fine, because...
debate transcript: McCain, Obama go head to head in last debate - CNN.com
 
Thanks for the DKos links. I'm a member there. Better check out that stuff.
 
it is real. you gotta love Internet since they love to exaggerate things. It was just a gaffe. He wasn't sticking his tongue out to Obama's back. It was because he thought moderator was going left side to shake his hand but he went to right side. McCain got confused and was like GAH!

That's what I thought so.

It would be very embarrassment if it's true that McCain did that to Obama's back.

:ty: for explain... yes, it make sense...
 
Just skip to end to see McCain's gaffe

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Here's what Think Progress liveblogged tonight's debate;

Think Progress » Presidential Debate Live-Blogging

I can see from that link, McCain kept on repeat negative about Ayers against Obama is a misleading and false statement...

FactCheck.org: "He Lied" About Bill Ayers?




:ty: for all links, but I can't view the videos here in the office until I'm home from work then...
 
Jiro, I can't see the video, you posted and also links with videos... I will view all the videos, you posted tonight at home.
 
I pasted one of Boult's links over here to response.

10:55: Ambinder reports: McCain didn’t say “middle class” at all. Said Bill Ayers six times. ACORN three times.

:crazy:

FactCheck.org: "He Lied" About Bill Ayers?

McCain is interesting to attack Obama than focus positive about the future...


10:48: CNN’s focus group gave the debate to Obama 15-10. 3 people changed their minds based on the debate. All three decided to vote for Obama.

I'm not surprised after saw MSNBC poll after final debate there're 90% for Obama... :eek3: and many Republician comments saying that they change their mind for Obama.

10:44: ABC’s fact checker: McCain got “Joe the Plumber’s” name wrong, calling him Joe Wurzelberger instead of his real name, Joe Wurzelbacher.

It's not first time... :roll:

10:39: Discussing McCain’s personal attacks on Obama, Republican strategist David Gergen said, “He got over emotional about it. He looked angry. It was almost an exercise in anger management up there for him to contain himself.”

I cannot understand why Republicians/converastive supporters vote this man... He provide no future for the people and country.

10:36: ABC’s George Stephanopoulos says McCain’s unprompted mention of Bill Ayers was one of McCain’s worst moments since it came right after Obama said they should be talking about real issues.

True, McCain should :ty: Palin to make him small over Ayers issues...

10:25: McCain said that Sarah Palin knows about having a child with autism “better than most.” But her son Trig doesn’t have autism. He has down syndrome.

Occchh....

Repeat: I cannot understand why the people decide to vote McCain when they know it's not first time that he "don't know" or "no clue" or "confused"... Would they trust this man as president of USA?


10:20: McCain called education the civil rights struggle of the 21st century, but he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1990. (UPDATE: In 1983, at the age of 46, McCain voted against creating the Martin Luther King holiday. He apologized for that vote this spring.)

Yes I remember this.

10:17: McCain said he would seek to boost adoptions. However, he has taken an extreme position in opposing the right of gay couples to adopt children.

:eek3:

10:04: McCain bragged that he would give every family a $5,000 tax credit to buy insurance. Unfortunately, McCain’s credit depreciates over time and would not cover the average health care premium of $12,000.

I prefer Obama's healthcare plan.


10:03: McCain said that if you like Obama’s health care plan, “you’ll love Canada or England.” And indeed people do like those countries systems better: “One-third of Americans told pollsters that the U.S. health care system should be completely rebuilt, far more than residents of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, or the U.K. Just 16 percent of Americans said that the U.S. health care system needs only minor changes, the lowest number expressing approval among the countries surveyed.”

Stupid and immaturity, I ever read this... *shake my head*

Don't he know that there're many EU countries do have universal healthcare, not just UK and Canada? Of course there're MANY, not just UK and Canada but they all including EU countries have different healthcare system. I do not beleive that Obama want to copy healthcare system from other countries but he beleive in that all people should have equal healthcare.


10:01: McCain says we should have “physical fitness and nutrition programs” in our schools to reduce the number of overweight children. This seems hard to square with his plan for an across-the-board spending freeze.

It sound good to educate the children positive about nutrition... and execrise is important...

10:00: McCain said the escalating costs of health care are inflicting pain on “working class families.” Ironically, McCain’s plan to shift Americans from the employer-based system into the individual health insurance market would increase their out-of-pocket health expenses.

:lol:

9:48: McCain said we had to fight the first Gulf War to prevent Saddam Hussein from threatening our “world supply.” Presumably he meant “oil supply.” Alternatively, perhaps McCain is Galactus and needs to devour worlds to survive.

*shake my head* Why can't they arrest Saddam Hussein during Gulf war then?

9:33: McCain said it’s “not true” that he’s running 100% negative ads. In fact, the Wisconsin Advertising Project recently found that his ads were 100% negative.

Unfortunlately yes, McCain made high % negative ads... FactCheck confirmed the same thing...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27206446/



9:24: McCain defensively argued that he wasn’t President Bush, but in 2005, he declared that “on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I’ve been totally in agreement and support of President Bush.” (UPDATE: McCain said “I’m not president Bush.” But McCain has voted with Bush 95% of the time and has previously stated that he agrees with Bush on all major issues.)

Of course, we know that McCain is not Bush but we only state what we know that he support Bush over 90%. Now McCain said that it's 95%.





Ayers Ayers Ayers Ayers Ayers.... :roll:
 
10:17: McCain said he would seek to boost adoptions. However, he has taken an extreme position in opposing the right of gay couples to adopt children.

Screw on McCain.

I'm bisexual and happy with my choice, I'm favor into full civil rights for GLBT like some other countries, as well and GLBT is most important role for me and not going vote anyone who make against on GLBT, don't matters on parties, such as democrat or republican, however I know few democrat are against it and no doubt for many republican against it. Remember, USA is freedom then we could adopt any child if we want, sex orientation don't matters and religious belief against on GLBT should take out of public, except for churches. I'm talking about gay rights but gay marriage is different way, it could be included with that.

For me, I don't want child in future but my support goes on other GLBT who want adopt child, it's their choice.
 
...Did you hear about the blunder Palin made today? She was speaking at a rally in New Hampshire and said that NH was in the northwest. :shock: This makes me even *more* frightened at the idea of her being Vice-President. :eek3:
What about Obama's gaffe when he couldn't remember that there are 50 states in the USA? Or what about Hillary forgetting that she wasn't under fire during her trip to the war zone? Or what about Biden asking the man in the wheelchair to stand up at the rally? Or what about Obama himself referring to "my Muslim religion" when he meant to say "Christian?" Every one makes gaffes at public events or during interviews.
 
What's up with the whole terrorist comment?

I think Obama did a great job not to be negative but focused on the positives. I think Obama got a sense that the Americans were tired of the mud-slinging.

They both support raising the pay for teachers....:hmm:

McCain's $5,000 voucher to purchase any health insurance seems weak. I like how Obama pointed out the flaws with that plan. Made me think about some things I would have never thought of.
 
I agree. McCain also needs to stop claiming over and over again that Obama plans to raise taxes on those who make $42,000/year or less. :roll:

Off-topic...

Did you hear about the blunder Palin made today? She was speaking at a rally in New Hampshire and said that NH was in the northwest. :shock: This makes me even *more* frightened at the idea of her being Vice-President. :eek3:

:Ohno:
 
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10:25: McCain said that Sarah Palin knows about having a child with autism “better than most.” But her son Trig doesn’t have autism. He has down syndrome.


During the debate, I was wondering why he put so much emphasize on Palin's knowledge about autism when her son has down syndrome. Also, he kept talking about autism and how he will support more funding for research. Research for what? I was confused about that cuz I at first I thought he was talking about more funding for better educational services for children with autism until he mentioned "research".
 
What about Obama's gaffe when he couldn't remember that there are 50 states in the USA? Or what about Hillary forgetting that she wasn't under fire during her trip to the war zone? Or what about Biden asking the man in the wheelchair to stand up at the rally? Or what about Obama himself referring to "my Muslim religion" when he meant to say "Christian?" Every one makes gaffes at public events or during interviews.

Point taken, but you have to admit that Palin has made more gaffes than Obama, Hillary and Biden combined:

Palinisms - Dumb Sarah Palin Quotes Gaffes and Lies

While everyone makes gaffes, I don't expect a Vice-Presidential candidate not to know where the state of New Hampshire is. :shock:
 
Point taken, but you have to admit that Palin has made more gaffes than Obama, Hillary and Biden combined:

Palinisms - Dumb Sarah Palin Quotes Gaffes and Lies

While everyone makes gaffes, I don't expect a Vice-Presidential candidate not to know where the state of New Hampshire is. :shock:
No, Palin hasn't made more gaffes; there is just more focus on her gaffes.

I would expect a presidential candidate to know how many states are in the USA.
 
No, Palin hasn't made more gaffes; there is just more focus on her gaffes.

If you look at the website I posted, you'll clearly see how many gaffes Palin has made compared to Obama, Hillary and Biden.

If you believe Obama actually thought there were 57 states in the U.S., I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. It was an innocent slip of the tongue given the fact he was tired and weary that day.

Palin's gaffes all center around complete ignorance regarding information she did not know (Bush Doctrine, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, being unable to name a single newspaper she reads, etc.).

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this, Reba.
 
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I tell you this, I cannot wait for November to roll around. Politics brings out the worst and best of us.
 
Atleast Palin knows the rules of what a Vice President is for.

Biden didn't even know what article stated about the Vice President.


I know what's the opinion of this board is, but non of it matters if you don't go vote. Luckily I got my voter card and will be voting!
 
here is a good read, you can check the facts yourself as which I did also.(it wasn't written by me but I do support it)

When you interview for a job, here is a hint: make sure you know what the job is. Joe Biden failed that test last Thursday. He couldn’t even get right what a vice president does, but the media didn’t notice.

The media is all over itself about how smart and experienced Biden is. Political analyst Charlie Cook is quoted in the Washington Post on Saturday as saying “Biden is clearly so much more knowledgeable, by a factor of about a million.” Saturday Night Live does a skit about Biden being smart, if slimy. Meanwhile, Governor Sarah Palin is treated as being nothing more than a simpleton.

Yet, take Biden’s statement from the debate on the role of the vice president:

Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.


And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit.

The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive, and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.

One should be careful when throwing around terms such as “most dangerous” and “bizarre.” But Biden is confusing which part of the Constitution covers the Executive Branch (it is Article II, not Article I). More importantly, the notion that the vice president can preside over the Senate only when there is a tie vote is simply wrong. Nor is it true that the only legislative involvement the vice president has is to break tie votes. The vice president is the president of the Senate, where he interprets the rules and can only be overridden by a vote of 60 senators.

Early vice presidents spent a lot of time in the Senate. Thomas Jefferson even spent his time writing “A Manual of Parliamentary Practice: for the Use of the Senate of the United States.” Modern vice presidents may show up only when they think tie votes will occur, but that is their choice.

This isn’t rocket science. The Constitution on this point is very straightforward: “The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.”

Instead, it was Palin who got it right. Besides correctly stating that the vice president holds positions in both the executive and legislative branches, she also noted that:

Of course, we know what a vice president does. And that's not only to preside over the Senate and will take that position very seriously also. I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chooses to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president's policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are.

But just as the vice president’s job includes more than simply being ready to assume the presidency if the president dies, the Constitution merely states what the vice president’s minimum responsibilities are.

Compare the uproar over Palin’s answer to Charlie Gibson about the “Bush Doctrine,” a doctrine that Gibson clearly didn’t understand and for which there apparently exist at least four different versions. Where is the outrage over Biden not understanding what vice presidents do? For Biden, his inability to correctly say what vice presidents do was surely his “gotcha” moment.

Yet, this mistake during the debate was hardly unique. Biden got a lot of things wrong in the debate that are going unnoticed by the fact-check media. Take just a few:

-- Will McCain's health care proposals raise taxes? Biden says that McCain’s proposal will cost people money. The Tax Foundation finds that could easily be "roughly deficit-neutral over ten years."

-- Under an Obama Administration the middle class will "pay no more than they did under Ronald Reagan"? No, the tax rates will be similar to the higher rates under Clinton.

-- Did "we spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spent on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country"? No, one year’s worth of spending in Iraq equaled five in Afghanistan.

-- France and the U.S. "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon"? No, and it wouldn't have made much more sense if he had said "Syria" instead.

-- Is it really “simply not true” that Obama said that he would meet with the leader of countries such as Iran without preconditions? No, Obama said “I would.”

-- Did Obama warn against letting Hamas participate in Palestinian legislative elections in 2005? No.

-- Do “Iraqis have an $80 billion surplus”? No. If oil prices had remained high, it might have reached $50 billion by the end of this year.

-- Finally, an amusing point as evidence that Biden is just one of the people he pointed to, inviting anyone to have a with him at "Katie's Restaurant" in Wilmington, Del. Unfortunately, people will have a hard time taking him up on his offer, since the restaurant hasn't had that name for probably 15 years.

Unfortunately, voters who are trying to get an accurate count on whether the candidates are telling the truth can’t rely on the media. FactCheck.org mentions only one of these points, the size of the Iraqi surplus. The Washington Post mentioned Biden’s misstatement on Hamas and Katie’s restaurant. AOL’s coverage of the errors in the vice presidential debate was by far the worst, though that might not be too surprising given that Tommy Christopher, who wrote their news analysis, also blogs on the Obama Web site. None of these checkers mentioned Biden's statements about the role of the vice president.

Compare this to the attacks on Sarah Palin:

-- FactCheck.org criticizes Palin for claiming that McCain’s health care tax credits will be "budget neutral" – they argue that the tax credit will be larger than the new taxes that the program will impose. Fine, but if the people at FactCheck.org believe that is true and that the Tax Foundation is wrong, Biden’s claim about increased taxes is even more inaccurate. But FactCheck.org doesn't even mention Biden’s statement from the debate.

-- From AOL's news analysis piece. “Palin: Said that it is untrue that the U.S. is killing civilians in Afghanistan. According to an analysis by the AP, however, the U.S. is killing more civilians than insurgents are.”

What Palin actually said was: “Now, Barack Obama had said that all we're doing in Afghanistan is air-raiding villages and killing civilians.” Whether one believes the AP estimate or not, the question is whether she was accurately characterizing Obama’s statement of the job that our forces were doing. And Obama said, “We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians” (emphasis added).

-- FactCheck.org’s first critique claims that Palin was wrong to claim that troop levels in Iraq are down to their pre-surge levels. They are correct that after the recently announced drawdown, 6,000 more troops will be in Iraq than immediately before the surge. But why not mention that 84 percent of the 38,000 troops in the surge are home or are in the process of coming home?

The media seems to have been covering for Biden for some time. While news stories still talk about Dan Quayle’s spelling mistake 18 years later, there has been almost no news coverage of Biden’s numerous wacky statements. What if Quayle had said something similar to Biden’s recent statement that, "When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'" A neat trick given that Herbert Hoover was president in 1929 and no one was watching television.

It might not fit the simple template for a 36-year veteran of the Senate to not understand what vice presidents do (after all, eight vice presidents have served with him), but Biden knew less about this than the political outsider, Sarah Palin. Given that they are running to be vice president, why didn’t that story dominate the news coverage after the debate?
 
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