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Sure no political here, however if we try to work on something and congress continue to refuse, in the end whatever we try only ends up in drain. It is really up to idiot congress waking up and deal with this otherwise we, Americans will all hurt in the end regardless.

Whenever I have chance, I will vote repeating congress representatives OUT of their offices, and WILL vote Gary Johnson if he would run president again. I vote for libertarian!
 
Sure no political here, however if we try to work on something and congress continue to refuse, in the end whatever we try only ends up in drain. It is really up to idiot congress waking up and deal with this otherwise we, Americans will all hurt in the end regardless.

Whenever I have chance, I will vote repeating congress representatives OUT of their offices, and WILL vote Gary Johnson if he would run president again. I vote for libertarian!

I support mandatory election if the congress can't pass the budget for one year and have independent commission to take control of congressional redistricting to ensure that we receive fair representation.

In some countries, if legislature can't pass the budget so they will face election sooner - in same year, of course.
 
I support mandatory election if the congress can't pass the budget for one year and have independent commission to take control of congressional redistricting to ensure that we receive fair representation.

In some countries, if legislature can't pass the budget so they will face election sooner - in same year, of course.
What? Can the shutdown last that long?
 
What? Can the shutdown last that long?

I means annual budget.

If the congress can't pass the budget within 30 days so election should be scheduled.

Just like say - no budget = you are fired.
 
Sure no political here, however if we try to work on something and congress continue to refuse, in the end whatever we try only ends up in drain. It is really up to idiot congress waking up and deal with this otherwise we, Americans will all hurt in the end regardless.

Whenever I have chance, I will vote repeating congress representatives OUT of their offices, and WILL vote Gary Johnson if he would run president again. I vote for libertarian!

I support mandatory election if the congress can't pass the budget for one year and have independent commission to take control of congressional redistricting to ensure that we receive fair representation.

In some countries, if legislature can't pass the budget so they will face election sooner - in same year, of course.

What? Can the shutdown last that long?

lol I doubt it. these Congressmen won't even survive past few weeks anyway

I means annual budget.

If the congress can't pass the budget within 30 days so election should be scheduled.

Shhhhhhhh!
 
lol I doubt it. these Congressmen won't even survive past few weeks anyway

Yes, that what I think too, probably last 3 weeks.
 
oh dear oh dear. Congress is now shut down now due to shooting... just couple blocks away from where I am now.
 
correction - the shooting was not near me. the chase started near me and ended near Congress
 
this lock down outside white house is over then
 
Wirelessly posted

Someone said she had her baby with her. I hope that isn't true.
 
yeah fox news is saying the police were chasing a car and it ended at the capitol. The car was driven by a woman and she had a child in the car with her. crazy!!!
 
i been watching it live,i found secruity in America not good sadly until you tightnen it up you got be pragmatic it keep happening
 
No, you are incorrect. I'm stating based on fact information, not from opinion and I don't need your opinion.

I wasn't stating my opinion, I was stating a fact. :wave: (double check the link you posted, the United States is NOT included in the list of Federal Republics until AFTER 2009 when Obama became President).

I took enough Government History courses to know my stuff. The United States is a Representative Republic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

Most often a republic is a sovereign state, but there are also sub-sovereign state entities that are referred to as republics, or which have governments that are described as "republican" in nature. For instance, Article IV of the United States Constitution "guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government".[4] The subdivisions of the Soviet Union were described as republics and two of them – Ukrainian SSR and Byelorussian SSR – had their own seats at the United Nations. While the Constitution of the Soviet Union described that union as a "unitary, federal and multinational state", it was in reality a unitary state since the Communist Party of the Soviet Union exercised a centralized form of authority over the nominally-autonomous Soviet Socialist Republics.[5]


United States
Main article: Republicanism in the United States

A distinct set of definitions for the word republic evolved in the United States. In common parlance a republic is a state that does not practice direct democracy but rather has a government indirectly controlled by the people. This understanding of the term was originally developed by James Madison, and notably employed in Federalist Paper No. 10. This meaning was widely adopted early in the history of the United States, including in Noah Webster's dictionary of 1828. It was a novel meaning to the term; representative democracy was not an idea mentioned by Machiavelli and did not exist in the classical republics.[44] Also, there is evidence that contemporaries of Madison considered the meaning of the word to reflect the definition found elsewhere, as is the case with a quotation of Benjamin Franklin taken from the notes of James McHenry. Where the question is put forth, "a Republic or a Monarchy?"[45]

The term republic does not appear in the Declaration of Independence, but does appear in Article IV of the Constitution which "guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government." What exactly the writers of the constitution felt this should mean is uncertain. The Supreme Court, in Luther v. Borden (1849), declared that the definition of republic was a "political question" in which it would not intervene. In two later cases, it did establish a basic definition. In United States v. Cruikshank (1875), the court ruled that the "equal rights of citizens" were inherent to the idea of a republic.

However, the term republic is not synonymous with the republican form. The republican form is defined as one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627. [46]

Beyond these basic definitions the word republic has a number of other connotations. W. Paul Adams observes that republic is most often used in the United States as a synonym for state or government, but with more positive connotations than either of those terms.[47] Republicanism is often referred to as the founding ideology of the United States. Traditionally scholars believed this American republicanism was a derivation of the liberal ideologies of John Locke and others developed in Europe.

A political philosophy of republicanism that formed during the Renaissance period, and initiated by Machiavelli, was thought to have had little impact on the founders of the United States. In the 1960s and 1970s a revisionist school[citation needed] led by the likes of Bernard Bailyn began to argue that republicanism was just as or even more important than liberalism in the creation of the United States.[48] This issue is still much disputed and scholars like Isaac Kramnick completely reject this view.[49]


Just read Foxrac's post and replied - I did not know the other thread got locked ....
 
i wasn't stating my opinion, i was stating a fact. :wave: (double check the link you posted, the united states is not included in the list of federal republics until after 2009 when obama became president).

I took enough government history courses to know my stuff. The united states is a representative republic

Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





just read foxrac's post and replied - i did not know the other thread got locked ....

do you mind? :d
 
I wasn't stating my opinion, I was stating a fact. :wave: (double check the link you posted, the United States is NOT included in the list of Federal Republics until AFTER 2009 when Obama became President).

I took enough Government History courses to know my stuff. The United States is a Representative Republic

Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just read Foxrac's post and replied - I did not know the other thread got locked ....

Your source proved that I'm correct but you are incorrect with your describe of our government and US has been federal republic for many years since American Revolution and it ALWAYS listed as federal republic when GWB was our president.

Our government is federal republic, regardless on presidents, even Obama. We may have different parties but our government is still federal republic because we have the president, opposite to king/queen.

I posted 3 sources that proved I'm correct about US is federal republic.
United States | United States

Who elected Obama? by electoral college and it came from voters.
 
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Now my company asking us to take either PTO or LWOP one day per week. Because we are part of gov sector that gov pay the company for our research/development and military supports. OK! I'll take Friday off next week and after (until the shutdown lifted).
 
Unless Republican House stops being obsessed with Obamacare, it will not be over.

I find it funny how brain washed people are and so quick to blame this on one group. It's a two way street, and it's not just the Republicans, although Obama would certainly like people to think so. It reminds me of when Argentina President Cristina Fernandez tried to get British Prime Minister David Cameron to sit down to discuss the Malvines Islands - he refused to negotiate, wouldn't talk about, felt they had "nothing to discuss." This is exactly how Obama is acting, as we speak, with the Republicans. Worse, now he's on the blame game tour - instead of trying to *look* presidential, he should *act* like a president and stay glued to the conference table until a deal is hammered out. Many people, civilian and federal, families, are being hurt by this shut down and people in DC need to get over themselves. You're deluded if you think it's all the Republican's fault. Takes two to tango and everyone at that conference table is equally to blame. Former governer Jesse Ventura was correct in saying, we need to stop paying taxes. As long as the government is shut down, we shouldn't have to pay for it. Then we need to vote out the Democrats and Republicans with people from a third party. If ever we needed a third party....it's now.....

Laura
 
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