Should we move Thanksgiving (US) to January!

Yeah, our past Presidents ruined our ancestors' lives as Native Americans. Thanksgiving is a joke to us. Of course we like to have food on our table but we are not celebrating on this. They robbed everything from us and try to eliminated us. They made us suffered so much over more than 500 years. The White government and some white people are not friendly with us. Here in Canada, we have two holidays on the same day. They are Thanksgiving Day and Columbus Day. UGH!!!!!

Columbus Day is worse. Columbus and his men have no respect of Native men and women. The Native people were peaceful and never show violence to them, but no Columbus want to give them bad names and that they were savages. Same happened to the Trails of Tears which the Cherokees and other tribes had been forced to move to Oklahoma. The government order us to go by President Andrew Jackson.

That is why we don't want to celebrate Thanksgiving and Columbus Day. We should have "Native American Heritage or Remembrance Day" to remembered and honor our ancestors who suffered so much hatred and ills from the White people over many years ago. We are hurt about this. So I don't care if you want to move "Thanksgiving Day" to January. What the heck! :(

I have a painting of Trails of Tears that was painted by Jerome Tiger who was a Native American. I brought it when I was visiting some friend in OK. I call Columbus Day 'Terrorist' day as Columbus was a Terrorist!
I think Columbus Day would just the same as having a holiday called
Hitler day. I know is was not celebrated in California when I lived there, I kept my daughter home that day and the next day the teacher asked why my child was not at school.
 
Proclamation of Thanksgiving
Washington, D.C.
October 3, 1863

This is the proclamation which set the precedent for America's national day of Thanksgiving. During his administration, President Lincoln issued many orders similar to this. For example, on November 28, 1861, he ordered government departments closed for a local day of thanksgiving.

Sarah Josepha Hale, a 74-year-old magazine editor, wrote a letter to Lincoln on September 28, 1863, urging him to have the "day of our annual Thanksgiving made a National and fixed Union Festival." She explained, "You may have observed that, for some years past, there has been an increasing interest felt in our land to have the Thanksgiving held on the same day, in all the States; it now needs National recognition and authoritive fixation, only, to become permanently, an American custom and institution."

Prior to this, each state scheduled its own Thanksgiving holiday at different times, mainly in New England and other Northern states. President Lincoln responded to Mrs. Hale's request immediately, unlike several of his predecessors, who ignored her petitions altogether. In her letter to Lincoln she mentioned that she had been advocating a national thanksgiving date for 15 years as the editor of Godey's Lady's Book.

The document below sets apart the last Thursday of November "as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise." According to an April 1, 1864, letter from John Nicolay, one of President Lincoln's secretaries, this document was written by Secretary of State William Seward, and the original was in his handwriting. On October 3, 1863, fellow Cabinet member Gideon Welles recorded in his diary how he complimented Seward on his work. A year later the manuscript was sold to benefit Union troops.


By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.


The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward,
Secretary of State

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/thanks.htm
 
Not surprising that some Americans don't mention the war of 1812-they lost.

:hmm: Treaty of Ghent... In Britain the war is hardly remembered. Only in Canada do they think the Americans lost.
 
Yeah, our past Presidents ruined our ancestors' lives as Native Americans. Thanksgiving is a joke to us. Of course we like to have food on our table but we are not celebrating on this. They robbed everything from us and try to eliminated us. They made us suffered so much over more than 500 years. The White government and some white people are not friendly with us. Here in Canada, we have two holidays on the same day. They are Thanksgiving Day and Columbus Day. UGH!!!!!

Columbus Day is worse. Columbus and his men have no respect of Native men and women. The Native people were peaceful and never show violence to them, but no Columbus want to give them bad names and that they were savages. Same happened to the Trails of Tears which the Cherokees and other tribes had been forced to move to Oklahoma. The government order us to go by President Andrew Jackson.

That is why we don't want to celebrate Thanksgiving and Columbus Day. We should have "Native American Heritage or Remembrance Day" to remembered and honor our ancestors who suffered so much hatred and ills from the White people over many years ago. We are hurt about this. So I don't care if you want to move "Thanksgiving Day" to January. What the heck! :(

Even though I do have a good share of native American ancestry, I would like to point out that almost all peoples have been conquered by an invading power at some point in history. This is far from a unique situation.
 
Not surprising that some Americans don't mention the war of 1812-they lost.

:hmm: Treaty of Ghent... In Britain the war is hardly remembered. Only in Canada do they think the Americans lost.

I remember about War of 1812.

We didn't feel so bad about lost the war - look at Vietnam War.

I believe that US wanted to takeover the Canada but they failed.
 
No, we should keep Thanksgiving in November, considering it is our traditional holiday.
 
And I never understand why people are still bitter over old news?? Let them enjoy only one holiday day. You have a choice to not celebrate it... It is no different from people scream and bitch about Christmas. =/
 
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So, who thinks we should move Thanksgiving to the 4th Thursday of January so that the commercialism of Christmas doesn't overshadow it?
Some may say we should move Halloween too, but it's origin is the night before All Saints Day.
I can't remember why Thanksgiving is the 4th Thursday of November.
What the hell are you talking about?
 
Well, my post was really just a rant about how the Christmas Season begins earlier & earlier each year in stores. I saw Christmas advertisements in Oct and our local mall & some of the stores in it were already decorated for Christmas.
 
Not surprising that some Americans don't mention the war of 1812-they lost.

No one won the War of 1812. It was fruitless and not worth it so they just abandoned it all together. They did fought but both sides lost. That was in Canada or was it in USA? It was a long time ago.
 
I don't see the commercialism tie to xmas. Reba is correct, Lincoln formalized thanksgiving as a way of healing the country after the civil war. As for Native Americans, yes, they did side with the British in 1812. However, it's important to remember there were many years when colonist and Native Americans were not at war and lived in peace.

I don't see Thanksgiving itself as a religious/political holiday so much as a harvest holiday. Although, anyone who's been to a family Thanksgiving dinner certainly wouldn't see it that way.
 
No one won the War of 1812. It was fruitless and not worth it so they just abandoned it all together. They did fought but both sides lost. That was in Canada or was it in USA? It was a long time ago.

That's how wars are actually won. Just sayin...
 
No one won the War of 1812. It was fruitless and not worth it so they just abandoned it all together. They did fought but both sides lost. That was in Canada or was it in USA? It was a long time ago.

Both.

I'm glad that Canada wasn't part of our country and the Canada is deserved to have own government.

We know that we make a stronger allies with Canada.
 
November is too cold.
I say move Thanksgiving to the end of August.
That is when the crops come in, so it could double as a harvest fest.
 
November is too cold.
I say move Thanksgiving to the end of August.
That is when the crops come in, so it could double as a harvest fest.

No way, I'm not going to let to lose the traditions.
 
November is too cold.
I say move Thanksgiving to the end of August.
That is when the crops come in, so it could double as a harvest fest.
It's not too cold here. We cook the turkey outdoors, and play horseshoes in the backyard after. It's usually t-shirt weather on Thanksgiving day.

August would be terrible weather--too hot!
 
It's not too cold here. We cook the turkey outdoors, and play horseshoes in the backyard after. It's usually t-shirt weather on Thanksgiving day.

August would be terrible weather--too hot!

Yup, of course, our house got hot with crappy central AC.
 
i would agree and some disagree with posts with AD members

but November is tradition thanksgiving and December also tradition on Christmas but both never moved but PLUS January is new years day REMIND! I love holiday traditions very important for family needs..
 
November is too cold.
I say move Thanksgiving to the end of August.
That is when the crops come in, so it could double as a harvest fest.

first to respond to that quote - noway! There would be some people still workinng and harvesting until end of october, we need a break . 14-18 hours days running the combine in the mud is not my idea of fun. After th harvest is done - I would want a couple weeks to recover and collect firewood in time for winter.

As for ranting with OP- yup I am sick of seeing thanksgiving being ruined by xmas shopping. Its supposed to be a time to be with your families and take a break. I have lost ALL respect for christmas as NO ONE thinks with their hearts anymore. They all are scared of being real. Too many people feel a illogical burden of must exchange gifts and not looking cheap.
 
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