Should ASL be reserve to culturally Deaf people only?

[Beowulf]

And many people who get CIs are given another method to communicate with a wide variety of people.

True. Most of us here agree with that.

 

[faire_jour]

True. Most of us here agree with that.

So why comment as if it is not connected? Why respond as if CIs are not related to communication? And why act as though if someone gets a CI they will be left unable to communicate?

 

[shel90]

Who is saying "NO to HAs, CIs and exposure to spoken language?" Who?

We want ASL to be included so stop saying that we are anti CI, HAs or saying no to exposure to spoken language because that is not what most of us are saying.

If someone says anti-CI/HA comments, ADDRESS that person not to us just because we are strong believers in ASL and English as equal languages that should be given to deaf children.

 

[Beowulf]

So why comment as if it is not connected? Why respond as if CIs are not related to communication? And why act as though if someone gets a CI they will be left unable to communicate?

I never had a CI and I communicate very very well, thank you. Sigh.

 

[faire_jour]

I never had a CI and I communicate very very well, thank you. Sigh.

I didn't say you didn't. You did say that you would "rather communicate than hear..." My question is, why would hearing with a CI make you unable to communicate as was implied in your post?

 

[Frisky Feline]

Who is saying "NO to HAs, CIs and exposure to spoken language?" Who?

We want ASL to be included so stop saying that we are anti CI, HAs or saying no to exposure to spoken language because that is not what most of us are saying.

If someone says anti-CI/HA comments, ADDRESS that person not to us just because we are strong believers in ASL and English as equal languages that should be given to deaf children.

I concur.

 

[faire_jour]

Who is saying "NO to HAs, CIs and exposure to spoken language?" Who?

We want ASL to be included so stop saying that we are anti CI, HAs or saying no to exposure to spoken language because that is not what most of us are saying.

If someone says anti-CI/HA comments, ADDRESS that person not to us just because we are strong believers in ASL and English as equal languages that should be given to deaf children.

Then why did people jump down HHI's throat when he pressed for hearing aids? If they are EQUALLY important, shouldn't people be pushing for a child to have exposure to spoken language and sound just as hard as they are pushing for ASL?

 

[KristinaB]

Then why did people jump down HHI's throat when he pressed for hearing aids? If they are EQUALLY important, shouldn't people be pushing for a child to have exposure to spoken language and sound just as hard as they are pushing for ASL?

I think because it's like a broken record with the constant repeating over and over. I don't know. I was not involved in that. I also know that it wasn't the bulk of us "jumping down his throat" for it.

 

[faire_jour]

I think because it's like a broken record with the constant repeating over and over. I don't know. I was not involved in that. I also know that it wasn't the bulk of us "jumping down his throat" for it.

I have never seen a post that says "Yes, ASL is amazingly important, you should do everything in your power to make sure your child has access to ASL, and so is spoken language. It's a lot of work to keep those hearing aids on in the early years, but it is so important. Make sure you get a great aural rehab specialist. It really makes a difference. Are you doing AV or just spoken language therapy?" That never, ever happens. Yes, people here value ASL, but I have never seen them value or emphasis spoken language as equal.

 

[Beowulf]

I didn't say you didn't. You did say that you would "rather communicate than hear..." My question is, why would hearing with a CI make you unable to communicate as was implied in your post?

I didn't mean to imply that. It is just that I don't think think a CI would have made much of a difference in my life. I can always wonder "What if?" but since I do not have the experience, it is a waste of my time wondering.

 

[Frisky Feline]

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[whatdidyousay!]

Are you asking if only deaf people should be allowed to use ASL? If that is what you are asking ,I say HELL NO! I am not sure what you're asking.
I was not taught ASL when I was kid , I wish I was so I could read it now.
I did take some classes but I moved back east and never got in a deaf and hoh culture . I was easier find people to study with CA.

 

[rick48]

Many of us never said children shouldn't get CIs, HAs, or be exposed to spoken language but as soon as we express our beliefs that ASL should be included, we get called anti- CI/HAs?

what IS WRONG with ASL as part of the toolbox to decrease the risks of language delays or deficits in children??? Who wants children to be put at those kinds of risks should the oral-only method doesn't work later on? Why take that gamble in wasting years of language development? It has happened to so many of us and still happens. God forbid should a hearing child have limited access to language.

Many posters have indeed said children should not get cis and that they are against implants for children and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

Additionally, we are not fooled by those posters who write the words "I am not against cochlear implants for children" but whose many posts regarding cochlear implants and treatment of those either with implants or who have children with implants reveals their true feelings towards implants.

You for instance dwell ad nauseum on those students in your school who do not do well with cis but never or very, very, very rarely ever mention those students in your school who are successful implant users.

If you are whining, as usual, about being called anti-ci, which I without doubt believe you are, it has nothing to do with your support of ASL. Your history of posts speaks loud and clear (pardon the expression) as to your true feelings towards cochlear implants.
Rick

 

[deafgal001]

sigh. Ci is just a tool to access spoken language. None of us are against this that I'm aware of. But we don't want to encourage "not hearing enough" attitude. It does not help any deaf. I can see why people don't like it when other people tell them to get a cochlear implant or hearing aids, wear it, turn it on, turn it up, get a new mapping, etc. when they are not hearing them enough.

All it matters to me that a deaf child have access to a language. Even when they not wearing anything to help them hear.

For you mountainman, keep up the positive spirit for your child but be aware that your child may or may not want a Ha or Ci later in life.

 

[shel90]

Many posters have indeed said children should not get cis and that they are against implants for children and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

Additionally, we are not fooled by those posters who write the words "I am not against cochlear implants for children" but whose many posts regarding cochlear implants and treatment of those either with implants or who have children with implants reveals their true feelings towards implants.

You for instance dwell ad nauseum on those students in your school who do not do well with cis but never or very, very, very rarely ever mention those students in your school who are successful implant users.

If you are whining, as usual, about being called anti-ci, which I without doubt believe you are, it has nothing to do with your support of ASL. Your history of posts speaks loud and clear (pardon the expression) as to your true feelings towards cochlear implants.
Rick

Of course I support ASL and that makes me anti-CI? I see..

 

[rick48]

sigh. Ci is just a tool to access spoken language. None of us are against this that I'm aware of. But we don't want to encourage "not hearing enough" attitude. It does not help any deaf. I can see why people don't like it when other people tell them to get a cochlear implant or hearing aids, wear it, turn it on, turn it up, get a new mapping, etc. when they are not hearing them enough.

All it matters to me that a deaf child have access to a language. Even when they not wearing anything to help them hear.

For you mountainman, keep up the positive spirit for your child but be aware that your child may or may not want a Ha or Ci later in life.

I have seen the number of parents using the ci along with ASL increasing over the years. When my daughter was first implanted, it was virtually non-existent for the young children who were being implanted to be learning ASL along with spoken English and now you see parents like Grendel Q and FJ who are doing it and their kids are thriving.
Rick

 

[rick48]

Of course I support ASL and that makes me anti-CI? I see..

No you don't see and that is your problem.

If I applied your bizarre illogic then I would also consider GrendelQ, FJ and many of the adult ci users here anti-ci.

 

[shel90]

Many posters have indeed said children should not get cis and that they are against implants for children and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

Additionally, we are not fooled by those posters who write the words "I am not against cochlear implants for children" but whose many posts regarding cochlear implants and treatment of those either with implants or who have children with implants reveals their true feelings towards implants.

You for instance dwell ad nauseum on those students in your school who do not do well with cis but never or very, very, very rarely ever mention those students in your school who are successful implant users.

If you are whining, as usual, about being called anti-ci, which I without doubt believe you are, it has nothing to do with your support of ASL. Your history of posts speaks loud and clear (pardon the expression) as to your true feelings towards cochlear implants.
Rick

Of course I support ASL and that makes me anti-CI? I see..

 

[deafdyke]

Sadly, we don't know that deaf children have access to ASL. Most don't. Theoretically speaking, the potential is there: most deaf children COULD have access to ASL, but in reality, they don't.

ASL is wonderful -- if you've got it. But for the average deaf child born into a hearing family without ties to Deaf culture, it's not there. It's not available in their homes, it's not available in their communities, it's not available on TV, it's not available in their schools,

Yes. I wonder if a lot of parents of dhh children are unaware of really good local resources to learn ASL and hook them up with Deaf culture. In some states the Deaf School or the Association of the Deaf is an active part of early intervention/early childhood education...but in other states dhh kids are lumped in with general developmental delay resources.
It's a lot better then in the past, but it's still hard to get info and stuff..........and I mean I believe that's prolly true about oral schools too, and that's why residental oral schools are pretty much dying/shrinking. There are many children who could be well served by Dhh programs/schools but who aren't.

 

[BecLak]

I don't know who may have said that HA's and CI's were not worth the time or to say they were not important. We have all said that a full tool-box approach is good and should be "offered". That full tool-box could include: HA's, CI's, speech, ASL, PSE, and whatever other avenues would benefit that child or person. A lot of us were never offered that when we really could have benefited from it and that is why we are saying it is important. We only want to avoid any heartache or stigma from any others that we ourselves have had to deal with.

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