Shooter kills 2 news crew members on live TV

Yes, and he also targeted the reporter and cameraman, which he has personal issues with both of them. He lost the job with the news station because of conflicts with employers. He didn't hold a job for more than 2 years.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...irginia-slayings-of-6466587.php#photo-8536781
ah okay- I hadn't seen that- only comments that he was a disgruntled employee but hadn't seen any articles that talked about that other than him wanting to discuss news story with the reporter. Interesting that it says "2 reporters" when really it was a reporter and a cameraman.

Dang I know my own situation is rough job (or lack of job) wise but I don't think I would ever do anything like this...
 
He tweeted in anger on both of them:

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ah okay- I hadn't seen that- only comments that he was a disgruntled employee but hadn't seen any articles that talked about that other than him wanting to discuss news story with the reporter. Interesting that it says "2 reporters" when really it was a reporter and a cameraman.

Dang I know my own situation is rough job (or lack of job) wise but I don't think I would ever do anything like this...
 
Apparently it was not in response to being fired. He said the Charleston shootings is what set him off…

He was just using Charleston as an excuse.

The man accused of killing two Virginia TV journalists wrote in a manifesto that it was the Charleston church shooting that sent him “over the top.

”But some Lowcountry community leaders said they believe he latched onto the mass shooting at Emanuel AME Church to rationalize a crime he probably would have committed anyway.. .

“Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15,” Flanagan is quoted as saying in the document. “What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them.”

Which victims’ initials he is referring to remains unclear.

. . .

In his manifesto, Flanagan is reported as writing that the church shooting was his tipping point, “but my anger has been building steadily...I’ve been a human powder keg for a while...just waiting to go BOOM!!!!”

He wrote that he had suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work and that he had been attacked by black men and white females, according to ABC News. He also wrote about how he was attacked for being a gay, black man.

James Johnson, local president of the National Action Network, said he didn’t doubt Flanagan’s actions were racially motivated but said the Charleston church shooting likely just made him more angry.

“This young man had a problem long before the Charleston shooting,” he said.


Flanagan, in the manifesto, wrote some choice words for Dylann Roof, the white man accused of opening fire June 17 during a Bible study at Emanuel AME Church, killing nine worshipers.

Roof, 21, is charged with 33 federal counts, including hate crimes, in the slayings. Some of the charges related to the obstruction of the victims’ religious rights could carry the death penalty.

He also faces nine counts of murder, three of attempted murder and one firearms charge in state court. Friends told The Post and Courier that he wanted to start a race war. In his own manifesto, Roof blamed black people for crime and shortcomings in the education system.

Flanagan reacted and wrote in his document: “You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!”

He also cites the Virginia Tech and Columbine High School killers as influences.

Johnson said the shooting is another example of the race problem in America. He didn’t condone Flanagan’s actions but said racism needs to be addressed nationally.

“We just can’t ignore it anymore,” he said.

Dot Scott, president of the Charleston chapter of the NAACP, said there needs to be more discussion in the Lowcountry about keeping the peace.

“Folks shouldn’t lose their lives because of how people perceive what other people are doing,” she said.

She added that officials are beginning to wonder how the community is internalizing the church shooting and said she doesn’t want the crime to manifest itself in a way that other people are harmed.

“We need to keep talking — don’t pretend that we don’t have issues, be open to talk about the issues,” she said.

Pastor Thomas Dixon, who heads the group The Coalition — People United To Take Back Our Community, said he doesn’t believe the shooting was racially motivated in the same way Roof’s was.

“People have a way of seeking any kind of way to justify wrongdoing,” he said. “I believe this guy wanted to do this regardless because of the perceived wrongdoings against him. The object of Dylann Roof’s anger was black people, period. It didn’t have to do with a specific black person or a specific group of black people. This guy had a specific target with a specific motive.”

Dixon added that he believed Flanagan’s shooting was a crime of revenge but that he wanted notoriety and to sensationalize it.

“Overall, I just personally believe it was all about him,” Dixon said....

Reported manifesto of gunman
 
The problem with the shooter is he had anger and mental health issues. His family and the people who lived near him knew it and said nothing, so he never got the help he needed.
 
Inside Vester Lee Flanagan's life
Published August 27, 2015 | FoxNews.com

Vester Lee Flanagan, the crazed gunman who executed on live morning TV two local journalists who worked at his former station, was told before being fired by the station to seek help for possible mental health issues -- then lingered in Roanoke, Va., for more than two years, living in a squalor amid publicity photos of himself, porn and sex toys.

Vester Lee Flanagan, 41, who went by the professional name Bryce Williams, was ordered by his bosses at local TV station WDBJ to seek help for his frequent problems with coworkers, according to a July 30, 2012 company memo obtained by The Guardian.

"You are required to contact Health Advocate, the employee assistance program," the memo, from then-station director Dan Dennison, said. Williams was given four days to make the call. "This is a mandatory referral requiring your compliance. Failure to comply will result in termination of employment."

It's unclear if Williams did indeed follow up with Health Advocate, but he wasn't terminated from WDBJ until February 2013. Yet even after his firing, he continued living in Roanoke, Va., something that had an unsettling affect on former co-workers.

"A couple of months ago, somebody told me, 'Bryce is still in town,'" former WDBJ reported Justin McLeod told the Roanoke Times. "Several former colleagues were bothered by the fact that he still lived in town."

And when police entered his third-floor apartment on Wednesday, they reportedly found a Spartan living space supplemented by a small computer desk, leather couch, lots of candles and tea lights and plenty of pictures of Flanagan, according to the Daily Mirror.

At least nine photos taken throughout his career adorned Flanagan’s fridge with another publicity shot taped to a wall beside it.

The self-obsessed killer was apparently planning to get away with his murder of Alison Parker, 24, and Adam Ward, 27. Cops who searched Flanagan's car found a Glock pistol with multiple magazines and ammunition, a white iPhone, letters, notes, a to-do list and a briefcase that contained three license plates, a wig, shawl, umbrella, sunglasses and black hat, according to the Associated Press. Flanagan never got to use any of the disguises, as cops tracked him down on I-66 around 11:30 a.m. on Wednesday and Flanagan shot himself. He later died of the injury.

That Flanagan thought he could get away with murder is less surprising in light of the "arrogant" description of the gunman provided by the neighbor. Someone who lived in Flanigan's apartment complex told the Mirror that Flanagan was “rude and arrogant to everyone and anyone” and would sometimes throw cat feces at the dwellings of neighbors he was in disputes with.

Flanagan had posted a video of a cat to his now-suspended Facebook page on Aug. 20, with the description “I miss my cats!” Police found no sign of the felines at Flanagan’s apartment, according to the Mirror. The manifesto Flanagan sent to ABC News shortly after he committed the murders suggests that he killed the cats.

But cops did find gay porn and sex toys. In a lengthy manifesto he sent to ABC News after the killings, Flanagan said he was bullied at work because he was black and gay.

Flanagan seemingly registered for his Facebook and Twitter accounts just a little over a week ago. The earliest Facebook post dates to Aug. 18 and the earliest tweet to Aug. 19, according to USA Today. His Twitter account was initially littered with baby photos and glamour head shots, interspersed with a picture of his empty bed. Flanagan would later post first-person perspective videos of the killings of former coworkers Parker and Ward to these accounts.

Little is known about what Flanagan did after he was fired from WDBJ-7 in 2013. Pictures shared to Twitter may provide a clue. One photo was taken at what he described as “a worker’s comp company” and Flanagan also posted a selfie at what he said was United Healthcare.

A short video posted to YouTube shows what has been described as a "road rage" encounter with a man who appears to be Flanagan, dressed in a football jersey, camouflage pants and boots. In the video, the man is standing next to a car that matches the description and bears the same license plate as Flanagan's silver Mustang. The person who took the video said he criticized Flanagan's driving while they were stopped at a light on July 6. Flanagan then followed the man to his destination, got out of the car and confronted him. It appears Flanagan is also holding a cell phone and looks to be recording the confrontation, too.

"So are we finished here?" Flanagan says. When the person taking the video again insults Flanagan's driving, Flanagan replies: "Okay, and you need to lose some weight, sir."

A representative for Flanagan's family issued a statement expressing "condolences" for the loved ones of the dead.

“It is with heavy hearts and deep sadness that we express our deepest condolences to the families of Alison Parker and Adam Ward,” the statement said. “We are also praying for the recovery of Vicky Gardner. Our thoughts and prayers at this time are with the victims’ families and the WDBJ7 NEWS family. Words cannot express the hurt that we feel for the victims. Our family is asking that the media respect our privacy.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/27/inside-vester-lee-flanagan-life/
 
Why did this man do what he did?

He did what he did for s reason
Most people are rational, driven by some degree of logic. It's apparent in how they make decisions. But there are other people who are simply irrational. There might be a "reason", but it's almost certainly not a rational one. I don't think there is a rational reason to murder 2 people in cold blood.

Without a rational reason, why would someone perform such an act? I think you'd have to feel completely trapped, with no other way out or something. Or you just don't value life, think it's ok to kill other people, and choose it as the best course of action, even though it'll most likely result in the end of your own life. It doesn't make sense to me. It's senseless... Maybe he believed he'd get away with it, but how can a rationally minded person who has their wits about them believe that?

This stuff is really just beyond my ability to relate and comprehend. A possible scientific answer is a chemical imbalance in the brain leading to misplaced aggression so strong that it leads to violence and murder. Brains are weird. It gets all philosophical in my head past this point, so I'll stop.
 
Thread cleaned up... we have a thread about gun debate discuss it here otherwise let's have a decency and respect to the victims. We wouldn't want a repeat of the similar thread about Sandy Hook at the time that was hijacked with gun debate.

Thanks.
 
It seems like having a more accessible way to get help for people who have a long history of erratic behavior, and other such behavioral and mental issues, could really help with these sorts of incidents of violence...

Unfortunately, one of the major issues with mentally ill people is that they are not willing to admit or understand that they have a problem. So even if you provide easy access to mental health care they have to ultimately want to get better and realize that they need help.

It's kind of a catch-22 situation really, mentally ill people don't think they are ill and instead think others are ill. What can you do in that situation and just hope for the best?
 
What evedince do we actually have this man was mentally ill and did this due to.being crazy, rather then why he actually stated he did it?
He had plms in the work place, that doesnt mean he was crazy...he could of been a mesogynist asshole and still not be crazy yet still have all sorts of plms with his collegues.
Its always easy to look at two pople murdered and see the act as nothing other then the random rage of a madman.
But those acts are allot more rare then th cold calculated murders by people who are sane, of their sense, knowing right fron wrong, but kill anyway for what ever the reason that drives them.
 
What evedince do we actually have this man was mentally ill and did this due to.being crazy, rather then why he actually stated he did it?
He had plms in the work place, that doesnt mean he was crazy...he could of been a mesogynist asshole and still not be crazy yet still have all sorts of plms with his collegues.
Its always easy to look at two pople murdered and see the act as nothing other then the random rage of a madman.
But those acts are allot more rare then th cold calculated murders by people who are sane, of their sense, knowing right fron wrong, but kill anyway for what ever the reason that drives them.
If he did shoot those people as some kind of twisted revenge for the Emanuel 9, how is that any more "sane" than shooting them for being fired?

The truth is, neither reason is rational. In fact, no reason for his shooting is rational.

He was an evil man.
 
I think he had his revenge successful smh ... he just wanna killl his co-workers that he said they being racism against him. If he is insane, he would go there to broadcast building and shoot up random people for no reason.
 
What evedince do we actually have this man was mentally ill and did this due to.being crazy, rather then why he actually stated he did it?
He had plms in the work place, that doesnt mean he was crazy...he could of been a mesogynist asshole and still not be crazy yet still have all sorts of plms with his collegues.
Its always easy to look at two pople murdered and see the act as nothing other then the random rage of a madman.
But those acts are allot more rare then th cold calculated murders by people who are sane, of their sense, knowing right fron wrong, but kill anyway for what ever the reason that drives them.
Crazy means mentally deranged, which means insane. Insane is defined as: in a state of mind that prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction.

I think we'd all agree he was in a state of mind that prevented normal behavior, social interaction, and possibly also perception. It might have been his normal state of mind, but it's not normal behavior to kill people, nor it is a normal social interaction. So the label still fits.

These are acts of the insane, mentally deranged, or crazy. They are in themselves insane acts. Insanity doesn't mean in a state where you can't control your actions or plan your actions. You are still controlling your actions, you're just not perceive things correctly anymore which leads to atypical social and behavior action. Whether it's curable, or just how some people are wired could be questioned.
 
Crazy means mentally deranged, which means insane. Insane is defined as: in a state of mind that prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction.

I think we'd all agree he was in a state of mind that prevented normal behavior, social interaction, and possibly also perception. It might have been his normal state of mind, but it's not normal behavior to kill people, nor it is a normal social interaction. So the label still fits.

These are acts of the insane, mentally deranged, or crazy. They are in themselves insane acts. Insanity doesn't mean in a state where you can't control your actions or plan your actions. You are still controlling your actions, you're just not perceive things correctly anymore which leads to atypical social and behavior action. Whether it's curable, or just how some people are wired could be questioned.

He had reasons that doesn't mean he's insane. He was just being ignorant. If you use racist comments against him, he will find his way kick ur butt, or kill u then u deserved his revenge. That's not insane. That's logical.
 
One thing to consider is how did the gunner know when and where the broadcast was going to take place? If you think about it the area is empty except for the reporters and crew so it's not like it was some public event.

So clearly he wasn't insane in the sense that he decided to just shoot people up for the hell of it. He figured out the time and place and even set up a camera to videotape himself. Not only that after that he faxed a suicide note.

While it's not right that he shot the people one has to consider that according to his mental state what he was doing was the right thing to do, no matter how twisted it seemed.
 
If he did shoot those people as some kind of twisted revenge for the Emanuel 9, how is that any more "sane" than shooting them for being fired?

The truth is, neither reason is rational. In fact, no reason for his shooting is rational.

He was an evil man.

So the guy who killed those people in the cburch was crazy too?
Ive done time with murderers...and though it sucks to really admit...they actually were sane people...
Belive it or not.
Sane people kill every damn.day for all sorts of ressons...revenge is one, money another, ideology another, so on so forth...it doesnt paint a nice picture of humanity i grant. A better picture would be every one who kills is sick and crazy...and needs medical help because they are crazy..
But
That picture just wouldnt be true.

He was fired two years ago, and sure i admit he could of waited for two years to get his revenge..alright.
Thing is he stated he killed them in his manifesto for revenge for the kilkings in rhe church..i understand full well why no.one really wants to accept.this...its easier to accept he was a playing with his lips madman...because killing over a politicaly motivated event, raises the stakes. Rather then just some hair pulling blabbering lunatic..i get that..i do
He was evil...but not every evil man is a sick crazy lunatic. Most evil bastards are saner then sane.
 
Crazy means mentally deranged, which means insane. Insane is defined as: in a state of mind that prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction.

I think we'd all agree he was in a state of mind that prevented normal behavior, social interaction, and possibly also perception. It might have been his normal state of mind, but it's not normal behavior to kill people, nor it is a normal social interaction. So the label still fits.

These are acts of the insane, mentally deranged, or crazy. They are in themselves insane acts. Insanity doesn't mean in a state where you can't control your actions or plan your actions. You are still controlling your actions, you're just not perceive things correctly anymore which leads to atypical social and behavior action. Whether it's curable, or just how some people are wired could be questioned.

If its not normal acts to kill people then every murderer is insane, ...im sorry experience doesnt add up...
Most people who commit murder are actually sane...sucks to state...but its true...it really is..an example .those gangbangers tearing themselves up over the drug trade and territory are not all playing with there lips babling madmen....no...they are rational actors in a grim trade..some indeed will be the usuul.crazy..most sre just cold murderers...doing it for the bling the loot or the crew..usually planned and calculated, often on the fly for effect..but few will be the babling insane madman lunatatic crazy..
So on....
Im not stating every sngle murderer is sane...im stating the vast majority of those who commit murder are sane..the insane are the minority really.
Killing over a political goal or over revenge doesnt itself make one insane..
This guy got fired...and it seems to me in the couple years since he was radicalized and moved to revenge as he stated...
What does it serve to ignore what he stated and just cop this up to the usual playing with the lips babbling lunatic on the loose who kills?
 
He had reasons that doesn't mean he's insane. He was just being ignorant. If you use racist comments against him, he will find his way kick ur butt, or kill u then u deserved his revenge. That's not insane. That's logical.
If someone had used racist comments against him (which they didn't), it would still not be "logical" to shoot and kill them. What kind of sick logic says that a person "deserves" to be killed in revenge for racist remarks? That is not normal.
 
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