See this. It s a perfect example!

[jillio]

Sweetmind is entitled to her opinions and her anger at how the hearing has treated her in the past, after all many of us have been there - myself included. She also has a right to her views on CIs even though I disagree with her.

However, she can't flame the moderators or other posters. No poster has that right; Heath got banned for some inflammatory remark about liberals.

Anyone at Alldeaf can post here and express themselves - provided that they treat others with respect. This goes for other posters who may not agree with them.

Thank you, deafskeptic. All I was suggesting was that many posters, hearing and deaf and hoh and myself included, often state our views vehemently. And I wa also suggesting that perhaps her anger is justified, given the realistic situation of oppression that has been experienced by the majority of deaf/Deaf in the U.S.

The minute she began posting here, the remarks began, not because of the contents of the post, but because it was her. Let's not criticize until the behavior occurs again, huh? And let's not disregard everything she has to say simply because she is saying it. None of us agree on every point, but it is entirely possible that we can agree on some points.

 

[jillio]

Sorry I disagree. If one is constantly angry as a result of past events as far back as the 1960s to the point that they accuse the moderators of being oralist when they aren't then there is a problem. The anger needs to be expressed to the people who caused the problem not to us here on this board.

I think if I remember rightly, Shel saw a therapist, which helped. Shel might feel angry about what happened to her but she seems to understand that we aren't vehicles for expression of that anger.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The actual oppressive circumstances are created externally through sociological factors--external. Our reactions to that oppression is internal. Therapy can only change the internal, not the external. And if the external factors continue to exist, then the anger is justified. That isn't to say misdirected anger is justified.

 

[deafskeptic]

Thank you, deafskeptic. All I was suggesting was that many posters, hearing and deaf and hoh and myself included, often state our views vehemently. And I wa also suggesting that perhaps her anger is justified, given the realistic situation of oppression that has been experienced by the majority of deaf/Deaf in the U.S.

I would have to agree with that.

The minute she began posting here, the remarks began, not because of the contents of the post, but because it was her. Let's not criticize until the behavior occurs again, huh? And let's not disregard everything she has to say simply because she is saying it. None of us agree on every point, but it is entirely possible that we can agree on some points.

Agreed. I've not criticized Sweetmind and I won't unless I have to. I would said something about Heath's remarks on liberals but thread was locked.

 

[jillio]

I would have to agree with that.




Agreed. I've not criticized Sweetmind and I won't unless I have to. I would said something about Heath's remarks on liberals but thread was locked.

No, you haven't, and I would not suspect that you would unless the situation demanded it.

 

[Sweetmind]

Mother Nature is the answer - it flows and lives with that which we have in our mentality, our body and our soul. This is in our deafness that is destroyed by man's world that includes toxics, all kinds of pollution, and global warming that is caused by ozone. This will destroy us all along sooner or later while Mother Nature just gives out the nature of growth but you kept destroying it.

Thats the same concept of what you did to Deaf children all along that will never satisfy Deaf people's accomplishment by hearing and deaf oralism people with audist attitudes. This is in this hearing society that is very ignorant as always. This is both deaf and hearing's audist attitude. This same concept that is the man-made one that is causing the problem for Deaf children. Deaf children also get more problems by people with audist attitudes. That is not healthy to destroy our deaf 's natural abilities and adaptations as you are trying too hard and have the continuation of too many mistakes in Deaf children's lives. This is held down by your own attitudes as usual.

Hearing society failed us in many ways by not realizing that we can do anything except hear. Now all deafies are being blamed for being lazy or not wanting to work or not being able to communicate or cannot write and read and more blah blah as their own excuses to use their own denials after all those years. Look at yourself, you people with audist attitudes. You did not do the right thing for our Deaf children's Deaf education in Deaf schools or Deaf programs in Mainstream that still happens in today's world. It's all about ATTITUDES that looks down on people who are deaf themselves even look down on themselves who have an audist attitude as well.

You, between the Deaf and Hearing people with audist attitudes and extremists who want to destroy our Deaf community as well as not being able to pinpoint Deaf people only. Why? Because you are the ones who are saying it as you whined or complained or backstabbed about Deaf community and Deaf leaders and Deaf people like me with a positive attitude. Guess what, It is Y O U who make it a big mess for Deaf community. I have no respect for this kind of behavior or attitude. Wake up! Think twice before you'll be deadmeat in our Deaf children's future that will be affecting those Deaf children's lives. This is really wacko and a big joke for letting it happens in our lives that you did it to yourself and it happens by your own negative attitudes. That's a crap theory as I am seeing too much that makes me sick to my stomach. I dont understand why are you here in Deaf community if you hate so much? As far as I know people have no right to have their power to destroy or take over our Deaf community in this society or Deaf lives. So be it.

Mother Nature is not having the prejudice attitude toward Deaf children while man-made is having a huge prejudice against Deaf children' s will and Rights and to destroy the good thing that we have in our Deaf Education with our Visual language in American Sign Language and Deaf culture in Deaf schools and (Deaf) Mainstream schools. It will be having the severe problem that Deaf children s future will be getting worse if you dont respect Deaf children's natural abilities and adaptation and their deaf ears that they do not hear everything. Sighs!

Alexander Graham Bell's audist attitude sucks from a start in a big time !!!!!!!!!

Thank you!

Sweetmind

 

[Sweetmind]

If you have a problem with the moderators then take it up with them. I find it amazing that they've allowed you back here and you're already attacking them and their decisions.

If you have a problem with me then take it up to yourself. I find it is so amazing that you put your thumb down on my face onto the ground for who I am being outspoken Deaf Mother for Deaf children s right to be protected for a very good reason.. So I suggested to read what I wrote so many post topic that I m trying to reach you out to get the level of understanding what i am seeing through my Deaf eyes.


Guess what, No matter for many of those people who have the higher education degree that doesnt mean anything to me because they dont have any level of understandings about our Deaf Natural Abilities and Adaptation that is very important for all of us deafies without devices from a start if it s okay with you. There is no such a law for us to require to be a HEARING CHILD. AND also, be aware of yourself as a other Deaf child around you NOW.. Time to wake up calls.. Thanks!

So Why bother to have those Deaf children to see their lip that says DEATH as Deaf to get it off our term of the Deaf Community? We are not the cult if you mind as far as I can see it in the opposite of yours. Thanks! Now I can see why it turned out too negative term of Deaf so u want to use the MEDICAL View of their own audist attitude.

UMMPPHH!!! I cannot believe this anymore since people have not accepted you completely from day one. Think about it for a while before you can damage more to yourself. Dont jump all over me because it s a real issue of our lives that we dont have a real communication from a start without ASL. That s a real Double Standard that I am seeing it clearly. So be it!

Also, I would like you to re- read it and see thru it as in your shoes from other deaf child's shoes that is no difference between you and a Deaf child.

Where are those Deaf rights for us in our Deaf Education that should come first.?

You just got me so sad and gain my own pains more than ever that you dont think of Deaf children 's true identity should come first from day one.

For your information, I am not a Deaf child as you think however I am a Deaf adult who have the right to be outspoken now when I couldnt do it as a Deaf child. You think it s so easy for me to get through then think about it. Thanks!

Sweetmind

 

[pek1]

If you have a problem with me then take it up to yourself. I find it is so amazing that you put your thumb down on my face onto the ground for who I am being outspoken Deaf Mother for Deaf children s right to be protected for a very good reason.. So I suggested to read what I wrote so many post topic that I m trying to reach you out to get the level of understanding what i am seeing through my Deaf eyes.


Guess what, No matter for many of those people who have the higher education degree that doesnt mean anything to me because they dont have any level of understandings about our Deaf Natural Abilities and Adaptation that is very important for all of us deafies without devices from a start if it s okay with you. There is no such a law for us to require to be a HEARING CHILD. AND also, be aware of yourself as a other Deaf child around you NOW.. Time to wake up calls.. Thanks!

So Why bother to have those Deaf children to see their lip that says DEATH as Deaf to get it off our term of the Deaf Community? We are not the cult if you mind as far as I can see it in the opposite of yours. Thanks! Now I can see why it turned out too negative term of Deaf so u want to use the MEDICAL View of their own audist attitude.

UMMPPHH!!! I cannot believe this anymore since people have not accepted you completely from day one. Think about it for a while before you can damage more to yourself. Dont jump all over me because it s a real issue of our lives that we dont have a real communication from a start without ASL. That s a real Double Standard that I am seeing it clearly. So be it!

Also, I would like you to re- read it and see thru it as in your shoes from other deaf child's shoes that is no difference between you and a Deaf child.

Where are those Deaf rights for us in our Deaf Education that should come first.?

You just got me so sad and gain my own pains more than ever that you dont think of Deaf children 's true identity should come first from day one.

For your information, I am not a Deaf child as you think however I am a Deaf adult who have the right to be outspoken now when I couldnt do it as a Deaf child. You think it s so easy for me to get through then think about it. Thanks!

Sweetmind

Atta girl, Sweetmind! I agree. But, I also think that if a person wants a CI, that's their option and they need to understand that it is a one time shot; if it doesn't work, there is no residual hearing. Here, have some and have a with me, dear.

 

[Sweetmind]

I didn't even get to the part that was supposed to "shock" me. I found the written english part of the post difficult to read, so I stopped.

Well that s too bad! I just hope that it will not happens to your Deaf daughter since she is really totally deaf herself now by how? Ask yourself?

Think about it more, please instead of making an excuses. Of course I know people with audist attiude who refused to understand that is what it s the purpose for me to do this through my Deaf eyes not Hearing Eyes. Thanks! I am really sorry that you were influenced by many strangers who doesnt know nothing about our Deaf Natural and Adaptation and Deaf people s Successful without devices.

Sweetmind

 

[Sweetmind]

Atta girl, Sweetmind! I agree. But, I also think that if a person wants a CI, that's their option and they need to understand that it is a one time shot; if it doesn't work, there is no residual hearing. Here, have some and have a with me, dear.

Perfect answer , Now I am gonna to say this aloud , TOUSI.. Now you know what I mean by this term Residual Hearing from other Deaf forums. You had a big doubt in me at that time from the past years as well as PEK got the correct answer. Now dont give me that attitude of yours lately. Thanks!

Good job, Pek got the level of understanding that makes my day.

Thank you so much!

Sweetmind

 

[Gamer12]

A child is more than ears and a mouth.

now that's a quoteworthy material. thank you for this wonderful quote.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

""Or perhaps those who haven't experienced it are simply intolerant of those who have.""

That doesn't make any sense.

I here am talking about NOT being reasonable about something DUE to some past trauma, what does tolerance has to do with it??
I might be intolerant but NOT blind to reason. Or I might be tolerant BUT unreasonable.

Sweetmind thinks she knows better because of what she have experienced,
in fact I find her very limited.
Why's that? Because she is so stuck in her past she sees life only thru the prism of her OWN experience.
She does not allow anything else to reach her. She's in mental rebound.

It's like forbiding someone to serve or eat broccoli because your parents "tortured" you into eating them. So because of that evey child should be free of broccoli horror now and forever?
It's not the broccoli that was evil.

I am deaf, but trained as HoH functioning in hearing world.

A child is more than ears and a mouth.

Exactly!!!, so stop being so fixated on this subject.
There is also brain that when stimulated early and in the right way will achieve its best.
Do not keep the deaf child in "ASL only" cage because it enforces growth limit the same way as keeping the child in hearing world only.

Fuzzy

 

[Tousi]

Perfect answer , Now I am gonna to say this aloud , TOUSI.. Now you know what I mean by this term Residual Hearing from other Deaf forums. You had a big doubt in me at that time from the past years as well as PEK got the correct answer. Now dont give me that attitude of yours lately. Thanks!

Good job, Pek got the level of understanding that makes my day.

Thank you so much!

Sweetmind

I don't know what you are talking about. Besides what would you care about residual hearing? Please post what it is I have said to refresh my memory.

Since you're into making unprovable, out of thin air statements about others, maybe it's time I tell the world how Nutty got you pregnant?

 

[R2D2]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The actual oppressive circumstances are created externally through sociological factors--external. Our reactions to that oppression is internal. Therapy can only change the internal, not the external. And if the external factors continue to exist, then the anger is justified. That isn't to say misdirected anger is justified.

Okay thanks for explaining where you were coming from and I think you must have misunderstood me. I never suggested that she have therapy on the basis of her views of social reality, which of course she is entitled to have.

It was more that she expressed an opinion of being persecuted or prevented from expressing her views by the moderators because (in her view) they are "audist", which is obviously not true. When people have such a strong sense of being persecuted from a source that is not doing that, then perhaps therapy may help in dealing with personal anger, which can sometimes affect ones sense of reality. That's all.

 

[Drew's Dad]

Well that s too bad! I just hope that it will not happens to your Deaf daughter since she is really totally deaf herself now by how? Ask yourself?

Think about it more, please instead of making an excuses. Of course I know people with audist attiude who refused to understand that is what it s the purpose for me to do this through my Deaf eyes not Hearing Eyes. Thanks! I am really sorry that you were influenced by many strangers who doesnt know nothing about our Deaf Natural and Adaptation and Deaf people s Successful without devices.

Sweetmind

I don't know what you mean.

 

[rick48]

I don't know what you mean.

Neither does she.

BTW when one is talking about residual hearing one should realize that for many profoundly deaf individuals the reason why they have cochlear implants is because they cannot, even whith HAs, make meaningful use of their residual hearing. They are losing nothing but gaining the possibility of being able to hear sounds in ranges that they could never hear before.

 

[shel90]

That doesn't make any sense.

I here am talking about NOT being reasonable about something DUE to some past trauma, what does tolerance has to do with it??
I might be intolerant but NOT blind to reason. Or I might be tolerant BUT unreasonable.

Sweetmind thinks she knows better because of what she have experienced,
in fact I find her very limited.
Why's that? Because she is so stuck in her past she sees life only thru the prism of her OWN experience.
She does not allow anything else to reach her. She's in mental rebound.

It's like forbiding someone to serve or eat broccoli because your parents "tortured" you into eating them. So because of that evey child should be free of broccoli horror now and forever?
It's not the broccoli that was evil.

I am deaf, but trained as HoH functioning in hearing world.




Exactly!!!, so stop being so fixated on this subject.
There is also brain that when stimulated early and in the right way will achieve its best.
Do not keep the deaf child in "ASL only" cage because it enforces growth limit the same way as keeping the child in hearing world only.

Fuzzy

Jillo and I are promoting the use of ASL along with oral language. We are not telling people to put all deaf children in the "ASL only" cage.

We are meeting halfway so why dont the oralists meet halfway too? Just wondering.

 

[rick48]

Sweetmind thinks she knows better because of what she have experienced,
in fact I find her very limited.
Why's that? Because she is so stuck in her past she sees life only thru the prism of her OWN experience.
She does not allow anything else to reach her. She's in mental rebound.

Do not keep the deaf child in "ASL only" cage because it enforces growth limit the same way as keeping the child in hearing world only.

Fuzzy

+1
QFT

 

[rick48]

Jillo and I are promoting the use of ASL along with oral language. We are not telling people to put all deaf children in the "ASL only" cage.

We are meeting halfway so why dont the oralists meet halfway too? Just wondering.

Just wondering who on this forum you are referring to?

Who on this forum has said that all children should be raised oral only?

 

[shel90]

Just wondering who on this forum you are referring to?

Who on this forum has said that all children should be raised oral only?

Speaking of in general..specialists, doctors, educators of the oral only programs, and parents.

 

[rick48]

Speaking of in general..specialists, doctors, educators of the oral only programs, and parents.

So then an oralist is someone who advocates an oral only approach for all children?

Someone who advocates the use of sign only is what then, a manualist?