! PSA: Watch your torrenting !

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kokonut said:
Yeah. Produce a Public Service Annoucement, tv commercials, radio ads, etc to tell the people on the concept of buying a software product first and that the taking of what's not yours is wrong, and illegal, when it comes down to downloading bootlegged games or copies of them. Though I get the distinct feeling that people will laugh at the idea of such nonsense to even consider the audacity that the taking of what's not yours is wrong. Piracy = good, ok, acceptable. Theft = bad, negative.

Nice logic there.
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your logic was broken when your concept did not fit the Copyright Law
 
:lol:

I was waiting for the mix-tape thing to come up! What about recording TV shows on your VCRs? Lots of families do that; hell my family still do it-- and give copies to others.

You're right with the "nothing is wrong unless they are caught." I got my hand slapped for copyrights infringement during an English class, then I walked a much narrower path. Even though I still disagree with copyright maximalists, everyone has the rights to pursue livelihood with their intellectual properties. How is it distributed? I will leave it to them and the consumers to decide the laws of the market.

The problem with file-sharing is that everyone's computer is a potential venue, and it can multi-task. Yes, it is wrong, but so much money is being spent trying to fight the inevitable. The ones that are laughing? The ones that turned file-sharing against their own users-- Blizzard has done it; Microsoft has done it; Google has done it; Vault has done it.

:shrug:

At least curbing bootlegging was easy... curbing P2P filesharing is not as easy-- unless you want ISPs to cut off all their clients from the Internet.
 
kokonut said:
Boy, the truth really does come out, huh?
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Sure did......that post almost literally made me sick. Literally! My daughter is going to be pissed. That post alone bought her a 2 hr refresher lecture to make sure she still knows the difference
 
Artists blast record companies over lawsuits against downloaders
Recording artists across the board think the music industry should find a way to work with the Internet instead of suing people who have downloaded music.

"They're protecting an archaic industry," said the Grateful Dead's Bob Weir.

"They should turn their attention to new models."

"This is not rocket science," said David Draiman of Disturbed, a hard-rock band with a platinum debut album on the charts. "Instead of spending all this money litigating against kids who are the people they're trying to sell things to in the first place, they have to learn how to effectively use the Internet."

After three consecutive years of double-digit sales losses, and having lost a court battle against file-sharing Web sites such as Kazaa and Morpheus, the Recording Industry Association of America -- the industry's lobbying arm -- trained its sights on ordinary fans who have downloaded music. On Monday, the RIAA filed suits against 261 civilians with more than 1,000 music files each on their computers, accusing them of copyright violations. The industry hopes the suits, which seek as much as $150,000 per violation, will deter computer users from engaging in what the record industry considers illegal file- swapping.

This unprecedented move brings home the industry's battle against Web downloads, which the record business blames for billion-dollar losses since the 1999 emergence of Napster, the South Bay startup the RIAA sued out of existence. The suits are expected to settle for as little as $3,000 each, but the news was greeted with derision by the very people the RIAA said they moved to protect, the musicians themselves.

"Lawsuits on 12-year-old kids for downloading music, duping a mother into paying a $2,000 settlement for her kid?" said rapper Chuck D of Public Enemy. "Those scare tactics are pure Gestapo."

"File sharing is a reality, and it would seem that the labels would do well to learn how to incorporate it into their business models somehow," said genre- busting DJ Moby in a post on his Web site. "Record companies suing 12-year-old girls for file sharing is kind of like horse-and-buggy operators suing Henry Ford."

Artists are feeling the downturn in sales, too. "My record royalties have dropped 80 percent since 1999," said Steve Miller, whose greatest hits album has been a perennial best-seller since its 1978 release. "To me, it's one of the weirdest things that's ever happened to me because people act like it's OK. "

Recording artists have watched their record royalties erode over the past few years ("My Van Halen royalties are history," said vocalist Sammy Hagar), but, in fact, few musicians earn the bulk of their income from record sales.

"Bruce Springsteen probably earned more in 10 nights at Meadowlands last month than in his entire recording career," said rocker Huey Lewis.

Many artists painted the record industry as a bloated, overstuffed giant with too many mouths to feed and too many middlemen to pay, selling an overpriced, often mediocre product.

"They have all these abnormal practices that keep driving the price up," said Gregg Rollie, founding member of Santana and Journey. "People think musicians make all that money, but it's not true. We make the smallest amount."

The RIAA did not initiate these lawsuits to defend artists' rights, the musicians say, but to protect corporate profits.

"For the artists, my ass," said Draiman. "I didn't ask them to protect me, and I don't want their protection."

Artists also see the opportunities for promotion the Internet offers. Most acts maintain Web sites, and virtually every one features some free downloads. Country Joe McDonald said he posts more than 50 tracks available for free downloads on his site, countryjoe.com.

"Who doesn't want to get paid for their work?" said Wayne Coyne of the indie-rock band Flaming Lips. "But I think it works to musicians' benefit for people to be able to occasionally listen to their music and, if they really like it, go out and buy it."

Many of the musicians pointed to the iTunes Store recently opened by Apple Computers that sells individual songs for 99 cents apiece to downloaders. As diverse a cross-section as Disturbed's Draiman, the Dead's Weir, Moby and the Flaming Lips' Coyne all endorsed the officially licensed site -- run, significantly, by a computer company, not a record label.

"Apple has the right idea with the I-store," said Disturbed's Draiman. "You'd think these conglomerates like AOL Time Warner would have easy ways of doing the same thing, with these mergers between record labels and Internet service providers."

Many other factors along with the Internet are having an impact on the industry's financial slump: the poor economy in general, computer CD burners, the high retail price, and mundane, uninteresting music.

"I don't know that there's any one factor behind the industry," said Coyne. "Maybe it's downloading, or maybe people just didn't feel like buying so many records. So Metallica makes $10 million instead of $20 million, who cares? To me, the sympathy is unwarranted. Some of this is just the hazard of doing business. It's the nature of the world. At the end of the day, it's just rock and roll. It isn't that big of a deal."

All agree that the Internet is here to stay and that downloading files will be an increasingly important delivery system for music, regardless of the music industry's lawsuits. "The focus of the industry needs to shift from Soundscan numbers to downloads," said Draiman. "It's the way of the future. You can smell it coming. Stop fighting it, because you can't."
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theft? *chuckle*

wake up America... RIAA is stealing from artists, not downloaders!
 
TXgolfer said:
Sure did......that post almost literally made me sick. Literally! My daughter is going to be pissed. That post alone bought her a 2 hr refresher lecture to make sure she still knows the difference
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Is it about my post?
 
Foxrac said:
Food is part of living expense, that why it is important to buy foods instead of buy new movies if you don't have enough money.
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Um... entertainment is a luxury, not a need. You don't need to download things to survive. What you are doing is a crime.

Privacy, I believe so and it seems unconstitutional for government to attack our computers because we used P2P or internet piracy.
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Use darknet if you're so worried about it.
 
Ok.. you "theft"-term collaborators can hold onto your own little world. I'll just refrain from trying to explain it to you any longer.

I'll leave it to the day you're in court as the prosecution or as the jury, and for you to learn the lesson the hard way in front of everyone taking you and looking at you like a fool for your logic.
 
souggy said:
:lol:

I was waiting for the mix-tape thing to come up! What about recording TV shows on your VCRs? Lots of families do that; hell my family still do it-- and give copies to others.

You're right with the "nothing is wrong unless they are caught." I got my hand slapped for copyrights infringement during an English class, then I walked a much narrower path. Even though I still disagree with copyright maximalists, everyone has the rights to pursue livelihood with their intellectual properties. How is it distributed? I will leave it to them and the consumers to decide the laws of the market.

The problem with file-sharing is that everyone's computer is a potential venue, and it can multi-task. Yes, it is wrong, but so much money is being spent trying to fight the inevitable. The ones that are laughing? The ones that turned file-sharing against their own users-- Blizzard has done it; Microsoft has done it; Google has done it; Vault has done it.

:shrug:

At least curbing bootlegging was easy... curbing P2P filesharing is not as easy-- unless you want ISPs to cut off all their clients from the Internet.
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I do what TXgolfer suggested. Attach viruses to a software that unless you have an encrypted code to unlock it, you risk losing more than the software you just illegally downloaded into your computer.
 
naisho said:
Ok.. you "theft"-term collaborators can hold onto your own little world. I'll just refrain from trying to explain it to you any longer.

I'll leave it to the day you're in court as the prosecution or as the jury, and for you to learn the lesson the hard way in front of everyone taking you and looking at you like a fool for your logic.
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agreed. they have been unable to produce any single legal case that fits their statement. :dunno:
 
souggy said:
Um... entertainment is a luxury, not a need. You don't need to download things to survive. What you are doing is a crime.



Use darknet if you're so worried about it.
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No, that's not what I was talking.

I said that getting a job and buy legit one is no solution if you works at low paying job, it is pointless, IMO.

No, I'm not worried because it will not going be happen.
 
Jiro said:
take a hint. you just condoned an illegal activity.
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Do you think so? I don't have an idea.

I'm just say about some people, not me.
 
kokonut said:
I do what TXgolfer suggested. Attach viruses to a software that unless you have an encrypted code to unlock it, you risk losing more than the software you just illegally downloaded into your computer.
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That has been attempted in the past on indexing sites... it failed.
 
Theft is theft. This isn't a "I know what pornography looks like," but a theft is when something that doesn't belong to you and you knowingly and consciously made the effort to steal potential profit from the original artist or, for example, a company who made that Role Playing Game software game.
 
souggy said:
:lol:

I was waiting for the mix-tape thing to come up! What about recording TV shows on your VCRs? Lots of families do that; hell my family still do it-- and give copies to others.

You're right with the "nothing is wrong unless they are caught." I got my hand slapped for copyrights infringement during an English class, then I walked a much narrower path. Even though I still disagree with copyright maximalists, everyone has the rights to pursue livelihood with their intellectual properties. How is it distributed? I will leave it to them and the consumers to decide the laws of the market.

The problem with file-sharing is that everyone's computer is a potential venue, and it can multi-task. Yes, it is wrong, but so much money is being spent trying to fight the inevitable. The ones that are laughing? The ones that turned file-sharing against their own users-- Blizzard has done it; Microsoft has done it; Google has done it; Vault has done it.

:shrug:

At least curbing bootlegging was easy... curbing P2P filesharing is not as easy-- unless you want ISPs to cut off all their clients from the Internet.
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I would think the line with video tapes from TV would be drawn at PPV events.

Perhaps fine the ISPs if they don't cut off their clients engaging in piracy???
That's actually the solution.....Eureka! Fine ISPs for not cutting off clients who engage in piracy. ISPs will most likely pay the fine and raise the rates or fine the offenders rather than cut them off.......Fine go to the victims thus compensating them......Cheez it!
 
Foxrac said:
No, that's not what I was talking.

I said that getting a job and buy legit one is no solution if you works at low paying job, it is pointless, IMO.

No, I'm not worried because it will not going be happen.
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So?

If you're so poor that you can't afford off-the-shelf entertainment, go dumpster-diving. Go buy videos from Value Village. You can use Freecycle to snatch up free giveaway videogames and computers.

Hell, instead of playing games, maybe you can ride a bike? Go rock-climbing? Go for a hike? All free and all are legit.
 
Foxrac said:
No, that's not what I was talking.

I said that getting a job and buy legit one is no solution if you works at low paying job, it is pointless, IMO.

No, I'm not worried because it will not going be happen.
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Foxrac said:
Do you think so? I don't have an idea.

I'm just say about some people, not me.
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please re-read your posts and all of it. try very hard to see what's wrong with it.
 
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