Obama has proposed his first budget.

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1% is a reduction. Again, this is a problem that has been created over years. Obama's adminsitration is less than 90 days into their efforts to correct it. And you might want to keep in mind that McCain and Coburn's party is in large part, responsible for the problems that now need to be corrected.:cool2:

There is no magic wand and fairy dust. The solution is systematic and planned with the big picture foremost in mind. It took years to create the problem. It cannot be corrected overnight.

and that "1%" is $8 billion dollars worth... something that we desperately need like our schools.... I see that you're still pinning it largely on Republicans. :roll:
and no there is no magic wand and fairy dust but I see bunch of Democrats crying and whining, refusing to work with Obama on curtailing pork.
 
-- Whenever the opposing coach playing Texas A&M University would go off on the referees, our yell leaders -- we don't have cheerleaders -- would signal the crowd to do one of our yells that ends with, "Sit down bus driver!"

As I watched Sen. John McCain stand up and go on one of his rants about earmarks, I wanted to shout, "Sit down bus driver!"

Look, I like Sen. McCain, and to be honest, I agree with him 100 percent that Congress shouldn't be spending billions of dollars on pet projects, but I'm also realistic: no one truly cares.

Really, no one cares. Sure, there are a few folks in Congress who rail against earmarks. And there are outside pressure groups who are trying to rally the American people to voice their outrage about the process, but I firmly believe that the folks at home love to send their members of Congress to bring the bacon back home.

Yea, bacon. That comes from a pig. It's pork -- pork barrel spending. That spending comes from earmarks.

That, folks, is the real deal. Someone in Texas, right now, is crying and complaining about the earmarks put in place by a member of Congress from Pennsylvania, but they don't care a lick about the money that they are getting. And that man or woman in Pennsylvania is ripping into a member of Congress from Georgia for requesting earmarks, but you better not touch theirs!

And that's how it works in Congress. Democrats love earmarks. Republicans love earmarks. Liberals don't have a problem with them. And conservatives may talk fiscal responsibility, but it's OK as long as those earmark checks come their way.

This is the system that we have set up and lived by, and no one, and I mean no one, is willing to change the process. The spending bill before Congress contains 9,000 earmarks, accounting for a tiny fraction of the bill's total cost. That's under a Democratic president. In 2006, a Republican budget had 12,000 earmarks.
Commentary: Why we secretly love earmarks - CNN.com

In fact, McCain put forth a bill to get rid of the $7.7 billion in earmarks, but guess what? It got just 32 votes in the Senate. That means even a few of his fellow Republicans went along with the Democrats. See, if it was that big of a deal, they would have said no.

McCain can crow all day, President Obama can implore Congress to slow down the earmarks, but the response by a big-time Democrat, Steny Hoyer, speaks volumes about whether we will see earmark reform.

"I don't think the White House has the ability to tell us what to do," said the House majority leader from Maryland.

The only true way we'll see Congress get its act together is if you -- the voters -- actually stand up and say, "Enough is enough!"

First, send the money back. If people are truly outraged about the abuses in Congress, they would say no to the money. We are hearing various governors say they will refuse some stimulus money because it has too many strings attached. OK, show me a bunch of voters who march on the offices of their member of Congress and say, "Send it back."

Don't hold your breath.

Second, when your member of Congress comes to your community association, church or business group looking for an endorsement, ask him or her to commit on the spot to ask for no earmarks as a condition for your support. And then have them sign a pledge showing that they accepted.

Third, if the member of Congress refuses to agree to end all earmarks, then demand that they publish in their district newsletter and on their Web site all earmarks requested, and those approved.

Folks, if you truly want to see Congress clean up its act, you're going to have to make them do it. And the only thing you have that they want is your vote. So leverage it. Otherwise, don't squawk about earmarks because it's just wasted breath.
 
sorry off the record but still about obama.

I found it so FUNNY. when i was reading this, and the top of this forum's banner got my attention. :o

 
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer declared Tuesday that Congress, not President Obama, will decide whether to put more limits on earmarks in upcoming spending bills.


The U.S. Senate is voting this week on an emergency spending bill for FY09.

Asked about White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs' statement Monday that the Obama administration was formulating guidelines for earmark reform, Hoyer said flatly, "I don't think the White House has the ability to tell us what to do."

He paused deliberately and quipped to reporters in the room, "I hope you all got that down."

Earmarks are unrelated pet projects that members of Congress insert in unrelated spending bills.

Hoyer pointed out that Democrats have cut down the number of earmarks and now require that all requests get posted on the Internet. But, he conceded, "I think there are additional things we can do and consider."

And the Maryland Democrat added, "It is certainly appropriate for the White House to suggest ways of going forward so that we can have agreement between the White House and ourselves."

He said congressional leaders have talked to the White House about "concerns it had," but refused to offer any specifics.

CNN reported Monday that, according to Democratic sources at a White House meeting last week, Obama urged Democratic leaders to "limit" future earmarks and, in what one official described as a "tense" exchange, the leaders told the president they'll do what they can to continue reform, but that earmarking projects for districts and states is a prerogative of Congress.

Hoyer, who attended the White House meeting, vigorously defended earmark requests Tuesday, calling them "the congressional initiative process."

"I philosophically believe it would be an undermining of the Article One responsibilities given to the Congress of the United States if it were to abandon its right to add items that it believes are priorities for our country and for the communities we represent as members of Congress," Hoyer said.

The majority leader dismissed a reporter's question on whether the $410 billion spending bill for the rest of this year is becoming an "embarrassment" to Obama, and reiterated Obama's argument that the package is "last year's business."

Hoyer also said that even though Obama, then a senator, did not request any earmarks in last year's spending bill, he did request projects for Illinois in prior years he served in the Senate.

Longtime pork barrel spending critic Sen. John McCain, who opposes earmarks, offered an amendment to the spending bill Tuesday that would have frozen spending at 2008 levels through the 2009 fiscal year, which ends September 30. McCain's amendment failed to pass Tuesday, which means the spending bill made up of about 1 percent earmarks will now go to a vote.

Obama has said he will sign the bill by Friday or the government runs out of money.

Critics, including McCain, have said the excessive spending in the bill would be contrary to the president's recent pledge to cut unnecessary government spending and pork-laden earmarks.

Cutting "wasteful" government spending was a pledge Obama made on the campaign trail and has repeated as president.

Despite Obama's promise, the administration says it inherited the spending and he will sign it.

On the Senate floor Monday, McCain blasted the president -- along with fellow Democrats and Republicans -- for the bill's earmarks.

"If it sounds like I'm angry, Mr. President, it's because I am. The American people today want the Congress to act in a fiscally responsible manner, and they don't want us to continue this corrupting practice [of unnecessary spending]," McCain said. "We're giving them [the American people] a slap in the face, Mr. President ... so much for the promise of change."

Several members of Obama's administration served in Congress and have earmarks listed on the bill.

Vice President Joe Biden requested $750,000 for a University of Delaware program during his time as a senator from that state. Obama's Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, who was a Democratic congressman from Illinois, requested $900,000 for a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois.

An Emanuel aide told CNN on Monday the request was submitted more than a year ago and is leftover business.

But Sen. Richard Burr, R-North Carolina, said Washington is in a "state of denial."

"It seems that every morning you pick up the newspaper, you're reading about another multibillion-dollar government spending plan being proposed or, even worse, passed. ... We become numb to what the dollar figures really mean, or the obligation that accompanies them," he said in the weekly Republican address Saturday.

Last week, the House of Representatives passed the $410 billion spending bill. House GOP leaders said the spending increases in the bill -- $31 billion more than the previous fiscal year -- are too large.

The bill passed on a largely party-line 245-178 vote, with most Democrats voting in favor of it and most Republicans opposed.

Republicans also criticized $7.7 billion in earmarks designed to support pet projects in individual lawmakers' districts. Democrats defended the size of the bill, saying it was necessary to help counter the economic downturn.

Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group, listed some of the earmarks being proposed by members on both side of the aisle.
Democrats defended the size of the bill, saying it was necessary to help counter the economic downturn and restore budget cuts made under former President George W. Bush.

Hoyer: Congress, not Obama, to decide on earmarks - CNN.com
 
It is being pinned on the Republicans because Republicans are largely responsible.

The fact still remains that Obama's budget effectively reduces the earmarks that were included in the last budget. That is called improvement.

it's not an improvement if Democrats are whining and not supporting Obama.
 
it's not an improvement if Democrats are whining and not supporting Obama.

Let's see...12,000 reduced to 9,000. Sure looks like an improvement to me.
 
Bush only has himself to blame. He was the one who wanted to start the War in Iraq and never did anything to address the poor state of the economy.



Might want to double check your history.

I remember there was a high rate of approval for the war. By the People of America no less.
 
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Bush only has himself to blame. He was the one who wanted to start the War in Iraq and never did anything to address the poor state of the economy.

Actually, I would blame Bush Admin., not just Bush for economy crisis they cause since they ignored the economy warning in 2006.

Yes, Bush started the war in Iraq soon after 9/11. (He planned Iraq War as soon as he took over Clinton's position.)
 
Might want to double check your history.

I remember there was a high rate of approval for the war. By the People of America no less.

You might want to double check your history as well.

The approval you're speaking of quickly turned into a disapproval of over 50% by the people of America no less. :cool2:
 
...Yes, Bush started the war in Iraq soon after 9/11. (He planned Iraq War as soon as he took over Clinton's position.)
How do you know Bush planned a war against Iraq "as soon as he took over Clinton's position"?
 
How do you know Bush planned a war against Iraq "as soon as he took over Clinton's position"?

Plenty of links was being spread out in several Iraq war and 9/11 threads in the past. You can search the links in Iraq war and 9/11 threads or visit Google that they PLANNED Iraq War before 9/11.
 
Plenty of links was being spread out in several Iraq war and 9/11 threads in the past. You can search the links in Iraq war and 9/11 threads or visit Google that they PLANNED Iraq War before 9/11.
Oh, so you mean rumor and gossip, not facts. OK.
 
No, I use my good common sense on kind of medias...
What is your source for the rumor that Bush planned to attack Iraq as soon as he became President? I should say, what is your factual source.
 
Oh, so you mean rumor and gossip, not facts. OK.

If it dissagrees with your position, it is rumor and gossip. If it supports it, it is fact.:roll:

In reality, it is called speculation. The very same thing you are guilty of every time you post a prediction of failure for Obama.
 
What is your source for the rumor that Bush planned to attack Iraq as soon as he became President? I should say, what is your factual source.

*Repeat sigh*

Go to 9/11 and Iraq war threads where plenty of links were posted or check with google.
 
If it dissagrees with your position, it is rumor and gossip. If it supports it, it is fact.:roll:

In reality, it is called speculation. The very same thing you are guilty of every time you post a prediction of failure for Obama.

Yeah, I have seen it... :roll:
 
CNN) -- Yet again, we find ourselves asking when Congress is going to get the hint when it comes to squandering our tax money at a time when we have so little of it. You've already heard us talk about the more than 8,000 earmarks, aka pork, clinging to the emergency spending bill that could soon head to President Obama's desk.

That same bill, which was designed to keep the federal government functioning through September, contains a nearly 11 percent increase in congressional spending on Congress, itself. That translates to a nearly half-billion dollar jump over last year. And where's the money going?


Well, among the highlights, 9.5 million of these urgently-needed dollars will be used toward refurbishing committee rooms in the House of Representatives. There's also cost-of-living pay raises for congressional staffers and expense accounts up to $40,000 for some lawmakers. Once again they forget that sometimes symbolism does equal substance.

In a year when millions of Americans are forced to tighten their own budgets, a year where the new President froze pay for some of his senior staff the day after he took office, why would Congress think the best way to improve its image is to blow money on renovating committee rooms?


How about improving your look where it really counts? Try some belt-tightening of your own for a change! If nothing else, you'll have something in common with the people you were elected to serve.

Commentary: Congress wants to spend on itself in new bill - CNN.com
 
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