Obama has proposed his first budget.

[jillio]

I finally figured it out!

You are a Damn Aggie!

It's like beating your head against a wall trying to talk to aggies.

First of all, those aren't my words. Secondly, the way assumptions play out have certainly held true in your case. Thirdly, if you expect me to listen, you first have to have something valid and worthwhile to say.

 

[Reba]

If it dissagrees with your position, it is rumor and gossip. If it supports it, it is fact.:roll:

In reality, it is called speculation. The very same thing you are guilty of every time you post a prediction of failure for Obama.

No, it's rumor and gossip if the only source about a past event is from blogs and Google.

Liebling didn't say it was her speculation but posted it as though it were a fact. If it is a fact then it should be easy to back it up.

Some predictions are pretty safe to make. I predict the sun will "rise" in the east tomorrow morning.

I predict increasing the tax burden on Americans will not be a good thing for the national economy.

 

[Reba]

*Repeat sigh*

Go to 9/11 and Iraq war threads where plenty of links were posted or check with google.

Why should I do that? It's your accusation about Bush, not mine. How do I know which source YOU used if I search Google? That's doesn't make sense.

 

[jillio]

No, it's rumor and gossip if the only source about a past event is from blogs and Google.

Liebling didn't say it was her speculation but posted it as though it were a fact. If it is a fact then it should be easy to back it up.

Some predictions are pretty safe to make. I predict the sun will "rise" in the east tomorrow morning.

I predict increasing the tax burden on Americans will not be a good thing for the national economy.

Nor do you preface all of your posts with, "This is just speculation on my part." See the above bolded statement. Back that prediction up with fact to support the conclusion you have drawn, if that is what you demand of Liebling.

 

[Reba]

Nor do you preface all of your posts with, "This is just speculation on my part." See the above bolded statement. Back that prediction up with fact to support the conclusion you have drawn, if that is what you demand of Liebling.

That is my personal prediction of what will happen (future tense). The future has not yet happened.

Liebling's statement about President Bush was about a past event. Either it happened or not. The past is there to be verified now.

 

[jillio]

That is my personal prediction of what will happen (future tense). The future has not yet happened.

Liebling's statement about President Bush was about a past event. Either it happened or not. The past is there to be verified now.

Both are speculation. If you demand that another offer validation, then you need to be willing to offer validation. Simple as that.

 

[Reba]

Both are speculation. If you demand that another offer validation, then you need to be willing to offer validation. Simple as that.

No, Liebling's statement against Bush was an accusation. No one should accuse someone of a past deed without backing it up. Otherwise, people could make up slanderous statements about individuals left and right without repercussion.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Why should I do that? It's your accusation about Bush, not mine. How do I know which source YOU used if I search Google? That's doesn't make sense.

No, Liebling's statement against Bush was an accusation. No one should accuse someone of a past deed without backing it up. Otherwise, people could make up slanderous statements about individuals left and right without repercussion.

Quit to make fool yourself because you & I were there in all 9/11 and Iraq war threads.

It´s not my responsible if you cannot remember the links, we (ADers) posted in all of 9/11 and Iraq war threads.


And world new TV about him and his plan for Iraq war before 9/11 attack was being spread out as well.

 

[jillio]

No, Liebling's statement against Bush was an accusation. No one should accuse someone of a past deed without backing it up. Otherwise, people could make up slanderous statements about individuals left and right without repercussion.

It is no more an accusation that your accusations against Obama. You have, in the past, accused him of being a Marxist and a Socialist. Really, Reba, you need to start following the rules you set out for others yourself.

Now, how about getting back on topic? The topic is the budget proposal, in case you have forgotten.

 

[Jiro]

Jillio - I can see that you're trying to defend Liebling and you have been doing so for past couple weeks. I also see that you're adopting an "AD vigilante" style like me.... and you're not doing a good job. You have been owned several times and you continued to be owned... it's pitiful, really :|

Reba's clearly right on this issue and it's very simple and obvious.

Liebling said....

Yes, Bush started the war in Iraq soon after 9/11. (He planned Iraq War as soon as he took over Clinton's position.)

Plenty of links was being spread out in several Iraq war and 9/11 threads in the past. You can search the links in Iraq war and 9/11 threads or visit Google that they PLANNED Iraq War before 9/11.

The burden falls on Liebling's shoulder to provide the source/proof to back that up.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Jillio - I can see that you're trying to defend Liebling and you have been doing so for past couple weeks. I also see that you're adopting an "AD vigilante" style like me.... and you're not doing a good job. You have been owned several times and you continued to be owned... it's pitiful, really :|

Reba's clearly right on this issue and it's very simple and obvious.

Liebling said....




The burden falls on Liebling's shoulder to provide the source/proof to back that up.

Re-read my response post #91.

 

[jillio]

Jillio - I can see that you're trying to defend Liebling and you have been doing so for past couple weeks. I also see that you're adopting an "AD vigilante" style like me.... and you're not doing a good job. You have been owned several times and you continued to be owned... it's pitiful, really :|

Reba's clearly right on this issue and it's very simple and obvious.

Liebling said....




The burden falls on Liebling's shoulder to provide the source/proof to back that up.

And, the burden falls on those members demanding that Liebling show proof to show proof of their own accusations.

It is clear to many that Liebling is being attacked simply because she is not an American. Such has even been stated on a number of occasions. Her posts and opinions are as valid as any one else's on this forum. It is absurd that a few select members continually take threads off topic by focusing on the use of one word or one phrase within one of her posts as nothing more than an attempt to discredit her posts as being "anti-American."

The only people being owned here are the ones that can't see past their own misplaced prejudice against another member based on nothing more than her country of origin. The personal attacks against her need to stop; the constant derailing of threads by attemting to focus on a portion of a post that has absoliutely nothing to do with the topic, but are simply a childish attempt to play out some sort of personal grudge needs to stop. If you disagree with her opinion, then disagree with her opinion and substantiate your own without making your disagreement some sort of personal vindetta.

And no, I am not a vigilante. I am a person with ethics. Vigilantes have no concern for ethical behavior, obviously.
Now, back on topic. Obama's budget proposal.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

And, the burden falls on those members demanding that Liebling show proof to show proof of their own accusations.

It is clear to many that Liebling is being attacked simply because she is not an American. Such has even been stated on a number of occasions. Her posts and opinions are as valid as any one else's on this forum. It is absurd that a few select members continually take threads off topic by focusing on the use of one word or one phrase within one of her posts as nothing more than an attempt to discredit her posts as being "anti-American."

The only people being owned here are the ones that can't see past their own misplaced prejudice against another member based on nothing more than her country of origin. The personal attacks against her need to stop; the constant derailing of threads by attemting to focus on a portion of a post that has absoliutely nothing to do with the topic, but are simply a childish attempt to play out some sort of personal grudge needs to stop. If you disagree with her opinion, then disagree with her opinion and substantiate your own without making your disagreement some sort of personal vindetta.

And no, I am not a vigilante. I am a person with ethics. Vigilantes have no concern for ethical behavior, obviously.
Now, back on topic. Obama's budget proposal.

and

Honestly no, you are not a vigilante.

for see in me as human being, not foreigner.

 

[saywhatkid]

Increased taxes? I would love my taxes to increase. Right now I pay zero income taxes. I figure, if I get a job soon, that would increase my taxes. I despise not working. Being laid off sucks. So the wealthy have to chip in a bit more; at least they have income. I have worked hard for 35 years, and to sit around all day, waiting for ANYONE to respond to my resume or job applications.....very disheartening. Where does the tax money come from, when nearly 9% of the workforce sits? We want to be Cops for the World? Somebody has to pay for all these things.

 

[jillio]

and

Honestly no, you are not a vigilante.

for see in me as human being, not foreigner.

You are very welcome.

 

[jillio]

Increased taxes? I would love my taxes to increase. Right now I pay zero income taxes. I figure, if I get a job soon, that would increase my taxes. I despise not working. Being laid off sucks. So the wealthy have to chip in a bit more; at least they have income. I have worked hard for 35 years, and to sit around all day, waiting for ANYONE to respond to my resume or job applications.....very disheartening. Where does the tax money come from, when nearly 9% of the workforce sits? Somebody has to pay for all these things. We want to be Cops for the World? Here is the Republican dream: go to Iraq, increase profits, and don't make me pay for it.

 

[saywhatkid]

You caught me before my edit....

 

[jillio]

You caught me before my edit....

It read better before the edit.

 

[Jiro]

And, the burden falls on those members demanding that Liebling show proof to show proof of their own accusations.

It is clear to many that Liebling is being attacked simply because she is not an American. Such has even been stated on a number of occasions. Her posts and opinions are as valid as any one else's on this forum. It is absurd that a few select members continually take threads off topic by focusing on the use of one word or one phrase within one of her posts as nothing more than an attempt to discredit her posts as being "anti-American."

Discrediting her posts due to her status of nationality? well I can say that I see no such xenophobic sentimentalism anywhere in Reba's post. I do agree that other ADers have a problem with her but Reba and my post are clean of any such xenophobic comment in this thread. We simply questioned her allegation/accusation. Perhaps you should fight your own battle. Your credibility is not doing so great these day.

The only people being owned here are the ones that can't see past their own misplaced prejudice against another member based on nothing more than her country of origin. The personal attacks against her need to stop; the constant derailing of threads by attemting to focus on a portion of a post that has absoliutely nothing to do with the topic, but are simply a childish attempt to play out some sort of personal grudge needs to stop. If you disagree with her opinion, then disagree with her opinion and substantiate your own without making your disagreement some sort of personal vindetta.

Now, back on topic. Obama's budget proposal.

and her opinion is the same as anti-Bush Americans. Her country of origin in this issue has absolutely no effect on my disagreement with her. I welcome her opinion on American affair for her general European view and yes I have been harsh on her in the past because of the way she worded it. We took it to PM-land to start with a clean slate. We have been good with each other since then. but thing has gotten fouled when you re-opened the wound. Like I said - fight your own battle.

It's funny that you complained of derailing the thread... Perhaps you should practice what you preach (which you are infamous for derailing the threads including my two threads yesterday) and in case you didn't know... the person you're defending derailed the thread first at Post #72.

back to topic!

 

[jillio]

Discrediting her posts due to her status of nationality? well I can say that I see no such xenophobic sentimentalism anywhere in Reba's post. I do agree that other ADers have a problem with her but Reba and my post are clean of any such xenophobic comment in this thread. We simply questioned her allegation/accusation. Perhaps you should fight your own battle. Your credibility is not doing so great these day.



and her opinion is the same as anti-Bush Americans. Her country of origin in this issue has absolutely no effect on my disagreement with her. I welcome her opinion on American affair for her general European view and yes I have been harsh on her in the past because of the way she worded it. We took it to PM-land to start with a clean slate. We have been good with each other since then. but thing has gotten fouled when you re-opened the wound. Like I said - fight your own battle.

It's funny that you complained of derailing the thread... Perhaps you should practice what you preach (which you are infamous for derailing the threads including my two threads yesterday) and in case you didn't know... the person you're defending derailed the thread first at Post #72.

back to topic!

What exactly does any of the above have to do with Obama's budget proposal?