Iraq: Stay or Leave?

Should we stay or should we go?

  • As long it takes, we stay

    Votes: 22 32.8%
  • Get hell out of Iraq

    Votes: 45 67.2%

  • Total voters
    67
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my vote would be Get hell out of Iraq

mostly military still in Iraq for one years or more years but i know mostly wives really worried about husband away for 16-18 months fighting wars that not easy for wife on the news about husband in Iraq im sure wives wanted ingores the news on television they would getting nightmares for husband getting injury for sure!
 
This is sad and stupid

OUR BUREAUCRACY IS KILLING IRAQIS WHO HELP OUR TROOPS

By OWEN WEST


February 29, 2008 -- AS a Marine, I was taught never to leave a comrade-in-arms behind on the bat tlefield. But that's exactly what the State Department is doing to men and women who've sacrificed everything to help our troops - our Iraqi interpreters.
When I last left Iraq 12 months ago, I promised to save two "terps" marked for assassination. Last month, I received a desperate e-mail from one of them: "Sir my situatione is so bad naw please save my life. Please help me sir."

A year after making my promise, I'm deeply ashamed that I haven't completed the mission. And I'm not alone: To help "their" terps, Marines and soldiers across the country are battling a bureaucracy that is at times more maddening than the Iraqi insurgency.

Shunning those who risk death to help us deliver freedom is un-American.

On my second tour in Iraq in 2006-7, I was posted to an obscure town outside Ramadi to advise an Iraqi battalion. They were hardy soldiers with a hard mission - roadside bombs were commonplace in the area. My team couldn't have functioned without our two interpreters, who I'll call Alex and Reyes.

Soon after a childhood friend accused Alex of collaboration for serving as an interpreter, his brother was tortured to death in a dump. His father disowned him.

Reyes was wounded in a bombing that targeted the US troops for whom he was translating. When he went home to reassure his family, a neighbor saw the neat bandages - and spread the word that Reyes worked for the Americans, making him a marked man.

Iraqi interpreters are men and women without a country. By helping our troops, they're building a better future for Iraq - but they become prime targets for the enemy, and are forsaken even by ordinary Iraqis. Spies and assassins lurk in every city. The police and the army, with their scams and tribal loyalties, don't protect the terps - whose loyalty therefore lies with the Americans.

Alex and Reyes - two combat veterans, proven in loyalty and fluent in Arabic - wanted to become US Marines. Given the challenging stateside recruiting environment, I tried to get them fast-tracked - getting a general to write glowing letters of endorsement.

It took me two months after returning home to assemble the initial documents to apply for a special visa, which included two security screenings by the US military.

The packages then made their way through another screening by the Department of Homeland Security - which eventually forwarded them to State for its own lengthy screening and an entirely new set of paperwork.

Then a State Department clerk wrote to say that both "interrupters" needed new Iraqi passports. It was already clear that interrupting was exactly what State thought the terps were doing.

Bizarrely, State said the new passports were needed to prevent fraud. Yet State knows full well that anyone can get an Iraqi passport by forking over enough cash - top terrorists have two or three.

But you also have to apply in person, waiting in chaotic lines at one of just a few ministry offices. As marked men, the terps had to dress in sweat suits and infiltrate their hometowns to survive in the hours-long wait.

Alex had to pay $750 to get his new passport. Reyes was left in tears when told to come back with his father (who's dead) to prove his identity - or more cash.

Nine months into the whole process, State e-mailed Alex, telling him to report to Jordan with $380 for a visa interview. Another State e-mail informed Reyes that, since he'd served in the Iraqi Army, State needed his military record for its review.

State's requirement of Reyes - finding his Iraqi Ministry of Defense records - is dangerous, meaningless and probably impossible. Trying to get the file would expose him to assassins, and just about the only file you can easily (again, for cash) get from Iraqi government clerks is a forged one.

The problem for Alex was getting into Jordan - where most Iraqis are turned away at the border. (The lucky ones get herded into bribery-infested processing pens like cattle.) I asked State to help him get into Jordan - and last month was told he could pick up an "entry letter" - inside Jordan.

Meanwhile, though, State had cancelled his interview. The closest date it had available would come after his State Department security clearance had expired. He had to start over.

Now I understand why some of my peers have established underground railroads to Jordan - sneaking their terps through like hunted slaves. They've lost faith in their own government.

Iraq vets and terps now call State's paper maze the "waiting to die list" - because it requires interpreters to risk death to purchase passports and cross the border undisguised.

Congress has held hearings. Reporters have done newspaper and TV stories; there's even a play about State's obscene mess. Ambassador Ryan Crocker, the top US civilian in Iraq, has complained, citing "major bottlenecks" in a terse memo to State.

President Bush has a duty to intervene. The honorable remedy is to trust the US military: Let a returning brigade that wants to bring some of its interpreters home simply fill out the visa paperwork on base, then carry them along on the aircraft.

Whom should America trust more, the judgment of a Marine or Army brigade commander - or a faceless bureaucrat in Nebraska or Amman?

Owen West, a commodities trader, has served two tours in Iraq with the Marines.


BETRAYED BY STATE - New York Post
 
Hillary wants to withdraw solider by small amount until 2012.

Obama wants to withdraw solider as many as possible until 2010.

McCain wants to increase few solider to Iraq until it's safe.

Huckabee wants nuke Iraq right away.
 

It is also an opinion by a columnist.....

Thanks for linking us to your source, "The New York Post", but unfortunately the author of the article didn't offer up his sources that these "terps" were in danger. It's basically, "I say this...and it's good enough."

Therefore it may be a fabricated story to flame anti-Iraq sentiment in this country.

I trust this link: Home - Iraqi News It offers the good, the bad and unfortunately the ugly. Anytime one is rebuilding a country, there are always going to be aches and pains.

Afterall America went though it when it was formed. :)
 

I say we get the hell out of there...we're wasting our time there. Saddam is dead and there isn't really a point to be there. This whole war kinda been pointless and stupid since Bush got re-elected. *shakes head* We should bring our troops back home and focus on our country, to improve what we have been declining.

But I do agree that we need to get Bin Ladan...he's the one that started the whole mess of 9/11...and we need to hunt him down. But where in the hell do we find him???

 
Since we've been at war with Iraq for so long and so hard, it's going to be hard to pull out.

It's like someone else that's simply mean to others.

If you were walking down the street and saw this bully being mean to other people, you decide to intervene by fighting him. You keep fighting him and start calling him names. You don't let up. Every single time you see him, you hit him and call him more names. After years of doing this, you suddenly stop and walk away. How will this guy really feel? He will probably feel so enraged that he is now desperate to go all out on you.

A better solution would have been to approach this person, tell him to shut up... perhaps slap him around to show him who's boss and to stand down... then walk away. The result would likely be better.

So, if we back out right now... they will probably try to nuke us as soon as they get the chance.
 
Since we've been at war with Iraq for so long and so hard, it's going to be hard to pull out.

It's like someone else that's simply mean to others.

If you were walking down the street and saw this bully being mean to other people, you decide to intervene by fighting him. You keep fighting him and start calling him names. You don't let up. Every single time you see him, you hit him and call him more names. After years of doing this, you suddenly stop and walk away. How will this guy really feel? He will probably feel so enraged that he is now desperate to go all out on you.

A better solution would have been to approach this person, tell him to shut up... perhaps slap him around to show him who's boss and to stand down... then walk away. The result would likely be better.

So, if we back out right now... they will probably try to nuke us as soon as they get the chance.

Highly unlikely.
 
Since we've been at war with Iraq for so long and so hard, it's going to be hard to pull out.

It's like someone else that's simply mean to others.

If you were walking down the street and saw this bully being mean to other people, you decide to intervene by fighting him. You keep fighting him and start calling him names. You don't let up. Every single time you see him, you hit him and call him more names. After years of doing this, you suddenly stop and walk away. How will this guy really feel? He will probably feel so enraged that he is now desperate to go all out on you.

A better solution would have been to approach this person, tell him to shut up... perhaps slap him around to show him who's boss and to stand down... then walk away. The result would likely be better.

So, if we back out right now... they will probably try to nuke us as soon as they get the chance.

You know what? I agree you got the last part right, they would have probably nuke us if US military soilders get pulled out, I know that Iraq, Iran and other country that will never changed.
 

I say we get the hell out of there...we're wasting our time there. Saddam is dead and there isn't really a point to be there. This whole war kinda been pointless and stupid since Bush got re-elected. *shakes head* We should bring our troops back home and focus on our country, to improve what we have been declining.

umm.. Hilton was dead already and UK/US/Russia/France took care of German for quite long time. Until German become cool each other. Russia was pretty mean to German.
 
GET OUT!!!!!

We had no business going there in the first place and we have no business being there now!!!! Bring our troops back home to thier families.
 
We should take our soldiers home. We send George and Dick there to take care of our country so that it would cut down some billions of dollars.

Our soldiers should be with their family and enjoy their time. It is more important that we need them to protect our country.

Osama Bin Laden wanted Bush to send our soldiers there because he won his goal. Bin Laden already has some plans for him - I really don't know what is his plans. Remember, George warned us on the news that there might be some terrorists in our country. How does he knows that? He censored the national news.
 
BAGHDAD, Aug. 1 A suicide car bomber killed 28 people and injured at least 50 others Wednesday in a predominantly Shiite shopping district in Baghdad, officials said.

The Interior Ministry said the explosion left a 3-foot crater and badly damaged nine civilian vehicles, the Alalam Satellite TV network reported.

It happened in the Karrada district on the east side of the Tigris River, which has been relatively peaceful until the last 10 days, with Wednesday's attack being the sixth bombing, CNN said. On Monday of last week, four car bombings killed 16 people and last Thursday, another killed 25 others, the BBC reported.

Meanwhile, the U.S. military said in a statement coalition forces had detained 35 suspected terrorists during operations targeting al-Qaida in central and northern Iraq within the past two days.

"These terrorists cannot hide; we will seek them out," said U.S. Army Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, Multinational Force Iraq spokesman.

Copyright 2007 by UPI

Baghdad bomb kills 28, injures 50 : World


Many of you are saying we need to cut our losses and bring the troops home. Violence has been down until today's bombing attack killing innocent civilians by al-Qaeda.

It's unfortunate that the Iraqis are going through this with al-Qaeda but by staying with them and fighting al-Qaeda, we can eradicate them from their country.

Would you rather have this over there in Iraq or would you rather have this situation here on American soil?
 
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