If you're deciding on a CI or decided not to get one

That is what the ADA is all about. Equal access. I can't believe that anyone would actually believe that the only ones deserving of equal access are those that decide to be medically altered.:cool2:

Yeah
 
There are so many opinions on Cochlear implants. I think it's important to separate the facts from the non-experienced opinions. By that I mean you can browse the internet and research about Cochlear implants and most of what you'll read are written by people who have no personal experience with a CI. Another common problem with this research is you'll also read a lot of out dated information. What was true ten years ago is not necessarily true today. Many advances have been made in recent years.

Now, who am I to talk about this. Well, I'm someone who has real life experience in this matter. I was HOH most of my young life but with hearing aids it was a minor issue. As I got older my hearing continued to decrease until I became deaf in my late teens and early twenties (Was a significant drop during those 4 or 5 years). I'll be 40 years old next month and I just had my CI activated last December (2009). So I lived almost 20 years deaf. The last voice I heard before my CI was when I was about 21 years old (I could hear a little then if it was very loud and low pitched).

So the short of it is I spent the first half of my life hearing (With mild hearing loss) the second half of my life deaf up till last year when I got my CI.

So here are some of the misconceptions I see as I research around online and even in this forum.

"I was tested and they said it won't work for me".

This could be true for some of you. But how long ago where you tested? I was tested back when the CI was first available and they told me that at the time the CI wouldn't work for me. They said I'd be able to hear "Some sounds" but not enough that it would be worth my time to get it done. So I didn't get it. Well, fast forward two years ago I talked to people who have the CI and found out how much they've advanced. So I got tested again and now they work for me. Today I'm talking on the phone, listening to music and having no trouble with everyday conversations. So, if it's been a long time since they said it won't work for you. I suggest you go in and find out if they'll work for you now if it's something you've always thought you might do someday when the technology advances. I'm not suggesting everyone should get it. I'm only saying that if you're going by what they said a long time ago then you should find out if that's still true for you today. If you have insurance it won't coast anything to find out. Just a hearing test basically. And if they say you are eligible that doesn't mean you have to. It just means that option is open to you now. Just don't depend on past advice. Go by what's true today.

"Getting the CI is dangerous".

Of course it is. It's surgery. But it's a low risk surgery. Most of the scary stories you might find are either very old ones from the days when the CI was new and experimental. Or are very, very rare cases. When you go through the process they'll give you a list of the risks involved and also the likelihood of those risks based on statistics. The highest percentage or risk was about 7% chance of that happening. And even if they did the effects are not permanent. OF all the people I've talked to who have a CI, the most serious side effect any of them have had is the temporary facial paralysis. And they no longer have that issue. Is it possible to happen? Sure it is. Not likely but possible. So many of these CI surgeries have been done that they've pretty much got it down to a standard procedure as far as surgery goes.

So what I'm saying here is to know the risks that exist TODAY. Not the risks that existed when they first came out.

"I read deaf people don't like people who have a CI."

So what! It's not their life you're living. It's your life. If you wanna hear and there's a technology that can give you that ability. Don't let anyone else opinion stop you. Besides, that negativity has died down a lot lately. It's still there of course but not as dominant as it was just 5 years ago.

I read things don't sound right with a CI.

FALSE!
Ok, sound with a CI doesn't sound like someone with "Normal hearing" would hear. But I've had mine a year and everything I hear sounds natural to me. I'm hearing music, I'm hearing peoples voices. I can tell this persons voice from that person.

Here's what happens. What you hear with a CI will not sound right at first. This is because you basically have to relearn how to distinguish sounds. Also know that the CI is not turned up all the way the first day. At first it's set very low then at each mapping session it's turned up and adjusted to your level. As you progress sounds start to sound clearer and clearer. By the time you're adjusted what you hear will sound "Normal" and "Natural" to you.

How I explain this to people is to use a metaphor. Have you ever put sun glasses on that have a colored lens? For example yellow lenses. When you first put them on you can still see the world around you, but it'll look strange to you for a while. But if you keep them on for a few hours things will start to appear normal to you. So much to the point that when you take them off again the way you see the world without the colored lens will look strange to you for a while. That's kind of what it's like. Once you're adjusted to it the way you hear then will be normal to you.

I want to wait for something better.

I look at it this way. Sure, technology will continue to improve. Something better always comes along. That's always going to be the case. If I wait another ten years there's still going to be "Something better" coming out after that. So it's a never ending wait. You'll never obtain the end of that process. So, let's assume for a moment that in ten years something better comes up and you get it. You've just lost ten years of sound (Assuming that's what you want).

Besides. Todays CI's are upgradeable without any additional surgeries (Which is another misconception that's floating around). Again, that comes from outdated information.

The funniest one to me is those who are waiting for stem cells. Sure, work is being done on that and some progress is being made. But you will not be able to have that done yourself for many, many years. For most of us the wait will be to long. Even if they have it perfected tomorrow it'll still be years before it's available to the general public. So much more research will be needed for that. Even when it works there will still be research on side effects. Perfected techniques, public opinion (Which as we know, it's not accepted by many today, especially some religious aspects). It's a "Someday" that makes as much sense as waiting to buy a car until they can fly. It can be done today but it'll be a long time before we have highways in the sky. So they'd spend the next couple decades walking or taking the bus simply because their waiting to get a flying car. :)

So basically make sure you're "Wait for something better" is a realistic expectation.

I've learned a lot from my experiences when it comes to my hearing. I'm so glad I got my CI and I couldn't be happier with it. I know there's a huge difference between someone like me who use to be able to hear, went deaf then got their hearing back and someone who was born deaf and never "Lost" their hearing. I knew what I was missing and I did miss sound. I missed the ease of communication and the sounds around me. What I've come to realize is that after the years of struggling to come to terms with my deafness (Because I lost the sense I once had) I finally was able to be happy with my life. But now that I can hear again I also realize that in some ways I was living in "Survivor mode" during most of my deaf years. I was doing the best I could with what I had and eventually learned not to dwell on what I lost. I know a person can live a happy and fore filled life without sound. But now that I got my hearing back I'm no longer in that "Survivor mode". What I lost is now back and the world has gotten much larger and easier to deal with for me. This is why I'm so glad I got mine and I encourage anyone who does want to hear to look into what's possible TODAY and only rely on the accurate facts. Don't take anyones word for it including mine. Do you're own research, ask your own questions and make your own decision. But, don't listen to anyones "Opinion" who doesn't have an experience in the matter. That includes the people here in AD. Listen to the reason they say they won't get one. But don't suspect they are an expert on a CI unless they've had one. Their reasons may be true to them and I respect that. But we each have our own minds and should make our own decisions on facts that are current.

Just thought I'd share some of my thoughts on this. I know there are some in here on AD that fit some of the things I mentioned above. Still some might find this during their "research" for I know I looked all over before I made my decision.

Just wanted to speak my mind on this. :)

Ron

The above is a very balanced view from someone who makes the choice to enter or re-enter fully into the hearing world. Below is a definite view from the other side of the spectrum and is also very balanced. To both of these posts - I say :gpost: (Although, my personal view is that of JennyB and PFH, I don't want a CI even if I was eligible for one)

Ron, good post.

I do want to say though - I think for a lot of us...we just don't want one. No one accepts that answer, at least in the hearing world. I have been hounded by doctors and professionals about this answer and as a result we come up with things that will shut them up. "It is too dangerous and I don't want to risk my life" or any of the other reasons you gave.

I guess for some they are legitimate reasons, but I think for most of us it is just what we say when no one will accept that we don't want one and we just want to be Deaf. Many people have trouble understanding why on earth we would WANT to stay Deaf. Instead of having that debate with someone, making up a reason to not get a CI is just simpler!

I think it is great that your CI is working so well for you!!!!


Ron's following post however.....what on earth happened there? It is in total contradition to your OP post - wording it that way comes across very audist and offensive to those of us who choose not to have a CI and are happy to stay Deaf. I noticed the change after a certain poster showed up. I personally do not care for his arrogant views as he even dared to show disrespect to the moderators on this forum. Are you succumbing to peer pressure of a certain group? It makes me wonder....?

The whole point here is respect. JennyB, though sporting an opposite view, still respected your choice as we all do. But to suddenly turn around and disrespect the view of those (which includes myself) who choose not to have a CI, who want to be identified as Deaf is unnecessary and unacceptable.


For the record I have nothing against hearing aids. In fact I wore them myself from fourth grade up till my late teens when my hearing dropped beyond the aid of them. And today the HA's are better for some people then a CI. How I look at it is this. If an HA will give them the ability to hear as well as they can or want to. Then that's the way to go. If their hearing has dropped below the ability for hearing aids to help. Then they should, if they want to be able to hear, look into the CI.

On a side note. In my mind if someone can use technology to hear but makes a conscious decision not to use it. I respect that. But I also feel that once they do that they no longer have the right to complain about society not accepting their deafness. They give up the right to complain about all the things society will place before them when they made that decision. They shouldn't complain about movie theaters not having captioning, about people treating them unkindly about it. How there is technology out there that would make life much easier for the deaf but no one is putting them together for this use. I'm not talking about the CI or HA when I say "Technology is out there". I'm talking about technology that does exist that could help people like voice recognition and devices that make tasks easier.

I can't stand all these negative things in the world. But think about it. If you "Can" remove these issues but decide not to. Then that's fine, but you'd have known that these things existed when they made the decision not to use the technology offered to them.

I guess what I'm getting at is the decision to get or not get a CI or a HA should not only involve the physical, but also the other areas of life that decision will effect.

The only ones I think have the right to complain about all these negative things deaf people have to deal with are the ones who have no choice in the matter. IF you fit in this situation then you have every right to complain about those things.

I hope that makes sense. :)

Ron Jaxon
 
That is what the ADA is all about. Equal access. I can't believe that anyone would actually believe that the only ones deserving of equal access are those that decide to be medically altered.:cool2:

Yes that. I don't want to be "medically altered" Plus I agree with PFH, both hearing and deaf should be seen as equals.
 
Persons as such are equal in God's eyes-thanks to Beclak. Easy to understand?

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07
 
Persons as such are equal in God's eyes-thanks to Beclak. Easy to understand?

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

Hmmm...seems you can answer other questions, but not the one posed directly to you.

It isn't God that is the issue. It is society.

Religeous discussions are prohibited here.
 
Look at that folks.....

Now, Ron, you said you went through life being deaf mostly... All these years you used accessibility features? Are you saying that we should PAY for our set-backs to the society, either way? I had respect for you but now after seeing that kind of garbage I'm starting to doubt it.
:shock: And his follow up comment :shock: too...
 
when I did a google for baha i found this.

baha-photo.jpg

BAHAa are recommended for those with conductive hearing loss or mixed hearing loss (as opposed to Sensorineural hearing loss) and those with SSD (Bingle Bided Beafness).
Many audiologists are unaware that the BAHA has been approved for SSD and that many people find that it is very helpful (espeically those who were born hearing and then became SSD) and far superior to using a CROS or BiCROS aid (Contralateral Routing Of Sound)


About BAHAs
There are two main types of BAHA - the temporary (trial) version shown here where the BAHA hearing aid is attached to a special headband (in blue) which is worn snuggly on the head thus putting the BAHA in contact with the skull WITHOUT any surgical intervention.
This type of BAHA is typically worn as a trial for a number of weeks or months to see if the individual would benefit from the permanent BAHA (or for infants the headband is worn until they are old enough and their skull thick enough for the minor surgery(ies) to place the permanent "implant" (basically a titanium screw - the "implant" has NO electrical or magnetic parts it's just a tiny "screw-like" piece to transmit vibrations )
The headband type of BAHA doesn't work as well as the "abutment mounted" BAHA however a minority of BAHA users elect to use the headband type on a permanent basis instead of having the surgery.

The second type of BAHA, as I mentioned above is the BAHA which requires 1 or 2 minor surgeries (occasionally both parts are able to be done at once).

The first surgery is to remove a small circle of full-thickness skin from the head, behind the ear as well as removing a matching diameter piece of hair-free skin from an inconspicuous part of the body (the "hole" on that part of the body is then sutured closed so only a very small scar may occur once healed).
The hair-free circle of skin is then grafted into the part of the head, behind the ear where the circle of skin& hair was removed. This is the end of that surgery - and is done to create a hair-free area for the "implant" (titanium screw) to be attached which prevents ingrown hairs that might otherwise repeatedly occur and also makes for a "clean connection" for the BAHA processor to the abutment)

Once the skin has completely healed, the person has the second part of the surgery which is placing the "implant" (which is nothing like a Cochlear Implant at all).
The BAHA "implant" is (basically) a just a special type of titanium screw with an attachable "abutment" (connector). The surgeon drills a hole part way into the skull bone (not all the way through!!) and then uses a special tool to screw in the "implant" - which is the titanium screw like piece. The reason for this being screwed into the skull is so that it creates a solid connection for the vibrations from the BAHA to travel to the skull - which for those with conductive or mixed hearing loss then allows the ear to hear because of the vibrations! After the "implant" part is screwed in place the surgery is finished. No part of the BAHA implant or processor etc goes anywhere near the brain or ear (inner ear/middle ear/cochlea etc). The implant "screw" part is left for a number of months so that a process called "osseointegration" can happen - it means that the bone completely heals and grows to the abutment so that it can't come out (without surgery). Once the person is completely healed and osseointegration has taken place the processor (BAHA) can be connected (snapped on) to the abutment.

The BAHA processor itself (the hearing aid part) is a little square/slightly rectangular box that clicks into the abutment and works like hearing aid and CI processors do. BAHA hearing aids can be used with T-Coil, FM, DAI etc just like HAs & CIs can.


To understand a bit about how BAHA works - if you are hearing, or Hoh (mild-severe maybe?) you can use a Musical Tuning Fork!
First you strike the Tuning Fork so it vibrates, then quickly if you press (firmly, but not hard) the tuning fork to your skull bone about 1" or 2" behind the ear ... you ear hears the sound because of the vibrations travelling through your skull ... just like the "implant" screw on the BAHA!).


Hope that helps.


If you want to learn more about BAHA directly from the company - it's actually made by Cochlear America now (even though it's NOT like a CI at all. BAHA is a hearing aid). I believe that Cochlear America bought out the company that used to make BAHA ... if I'm remembering correctly, I might be wrong about that though. Here is the direct link to the BAHA section for CA
 
The above is a very balanced view from someone who makes the choice to enter or re-enter fully into the hearing world. Below is a definite view from the other side of the spectrum and is also very balanced. To both of these posts - I say :gpost: (Although, my personal view is that of JennyB and PFH, I don't want a CI even if I was eligible for one)




Ron's following post however.....what on earth happened there? It is in total contradition to your OP post - wording it that way comes across very audist and offensive to those of us who choose not to have a CI and are happy to stay Deaf. I noticed the change after a certain poster showed up. I personally do not care for his arrogant views as he even dared to show disrespect to the moderators on this forum. Are you succumbing to peer pressure of a certain group? It makes me wonder....?

The whole point here is respect. JennyB, though sporting an opposite view, still respected your choice as we all do. But to suddenly turn around and disrespect the view of those (which includes myself) who choose not to have a CI, who want to be identified as Deaf is unnecessary and unacceptable.
:hmm: at the not bolded.
 
BAHAa are recommended for those with conductive hearing loss or mixed hearing loss (as opposed to Sensorineural hearing loss) and those with SSD (Bingle Bided Beafness).
Many audiologists are unaware that the BAHA has been approved for SSD and that many people find that it is very helpful (espeically those who were born hearing and then became SSD) and far superior to using a CROS or BiCROS aid (Contralateral Routing Of Sound)


About BAHAs
There are two main types of BAHA - the temporary (trial) version shown here where the BAHA hearing aid is attached to a special headband (in blue) which is worn snuggly on the head thus putting the BAHA in contact with the skull WITHOUT any surgical intervention.
This type of BAHA is typically worn as a trial for a number of weeks or months to see if the individual would benefit from the permanent BAHA (or for infants the headband is worn until they are old enough and their skull thick enough for the minor surgery(ies) to place the permanent "implant" (basically a titanium screw - the "implant" has NO electrical or magnetic parts it's just a tiny "screw-like" piece to transmit vibrations )
The headband type of BAHA doesn't work as well as the "abutment mounted" BAHA however a minority of BAHA users elect to use the headband type on a permanent basis instead of having the surgery.

The second type of BAHA, as I mentioned above is the BAHA which requires 1 or 2 minor surgeries (occasionally both parts are able to be done at once).

The first surgery is to remove a small circle of full-thickness skin from the head, behind the ear as well as removing a matching diameter piece of hair-free skin from an inconspicuous part of the body (the "hole" on that part of the body is then sutured closed so only a very small scar may occur once healed).
The hair-free circle of skin is then grafted into the part of the head, behind the ear where the circle of skin& hair was removed. This is the end of that surgery - and is done to create a hair-free area for the "implant" (titanium screw) to be attached which prevents ingrown hairs that might otherwise repeatedly occur and also makes for a "clean connection" for the BAHA processor to the abutment)

Once the skin has completely healed, the person has the second part of the surgery which is placing the "implant" (which is nothing like a Cochlear Implant at all).
The BAHA "implant" is (basically) a just a special type of titanium screw with an attachable "abutment" (connector). The surgeon drills a hole part way into the skull bone (not all the way through!!) and then uses a special tool to screw in the "implant" - which is the titanium screw like piece. The reason for this being screwed into the skull is so that it creates a solid connection for the vibrations from the BAHA to travel to the skull - which for those with conductive or mixed hearing loss then allows the ear to hear because of the vibrations! After the "implant" part is screwed in place the surgery is finished. No part of the BAHA implant or processor etc goes anywhere near the brain or ear (inner ear/middle ear/cochlea etc). The implant "screw" part is left for a number of months so that a process called "osseointegration" can happen - it means that the bone completely heals and grows to the abutment so that it can't come out (without surgery). Once the person is completely healed and osseointegration has taken place the processor (BAHA) can be connected (snapped on) to the abutment.

The BAHA processor itself (the hearing aid part) is a little square/slightly rectangular box that clicks into the abutment and works like hearing aid and CI processors do. BAHA hearing aids can be used with T-Coil, FM, DAI etc just like HAs & CIs can.


To understand a bit about how BAHA works - if you are hearing, or Hoh (mild-severe maybe?) you can use a Musical Tuning Fork!
First you strike the Tuning Fork so it vibrates, then quickly if you press (firmly, but not hard) the tuning fork to your skull bone about 1" or 2" behind the ear ... you ear hears the sound because of the vibrations travelling through your skull ... just like the "implant" screw on the BAHA!).


Hope that helps.


If you want to learn more about BAHA directly from the company - it's actually made by Cochlear America now (even though it's NOT like a CI at all. BAHA is a hearing aid). I believe that Cochlear America bought out the company that used to make BAHA ... if I'm remembering correctly, I might be wrong about that though. Here is the direct link to the BAHA section for CA
:) I know what a BAHA is. :) Had one before. But thanks
 
:shock: You had one before!? Learn something new all the time......is this something you don't like to talk about?

was when I was a toddler. not anchored. just with a steel clip around the head.

Damn thing vibrates. It worked some 15 years later too.
 
I feel all people should have access to things such as captioning at movies and they should not have to undergo "ELECTIVE" surgery if they do not want to or as in Jenny Bs case feel the surgery is too risky. Let's not forget that not all people who receive implants get the same benefit from them and some may still need things like captioning.
 
Hmmm...seems you can answer other questions, but not the one posed directly to you.

It isn't God that is the issue. It is society.

Religeous discussions are prohibited here.

Thanks Jillio. :ty: It is all about respect.
 
For me, it was not so much the accessibility issue but rather a person's. Thinking it's easier to change oneself rather than trying to change others. To each his or her own.
 
Ron, I know what you mean about not knowing what is available. I didn't go to a ent doctor from 1990 until last year and only went then for proof of my hearing loss for a court case. Do to a Police Officer thinking I'm drunk because of my speech although my licenses said I'm hearing impaired. I'm still fighting that one. When i was going to the doctors, they were pumping me up on steroids and cytoxan and i reached a point where i wasn't gonna be there guinea pig any more. I decided not to go back after 2 Doctors got into a heated debate over the meds they had me on in front of me. I also read in the paper about the doctor and a pharmacy being sued for wrongful death. At that point there I was past the hearing Aide help. So have just gotten by these past 20 years on lipreading and captions on TV. No ASL because i know no one who does ASL. So it has been a struggle to live in a hearing community with profound hearing all these years. I get tired of trying to see what people are saying. When i did go get a updated hearing test is when i found out that could possibly get a CI. I had heard about implants before but thought they were for people who were totally deaf and children. So that is when i got online and started educating my self. I didn't even know I could get a terp (cart)for the courtroom till I read it on this site. Thankfully before court. So this site and other sites have really opened my eyes to alot of things concerning hearing and not being able to hear. I'm sure with this implant that it will assist me to hear better than before even if it is just a little better it will be alot more than i have now.
 
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