FL. Loses Appeal in Terri Schiavo Case

^Angel^ said:
I understand how the parents must be feeling about losing their daugther and having her husband taking the role of having her to die is because he did not want to see her suffer anymore nor she was getting any better, so he rather to see her off the feeding tube and let her die in peace, as the doctors had stated that also....

This is one of the toughness decision to make as a parent, since I am a parent myself too and yes it would be hard to let my child go, but then again I will think real hard on this by knowing my child's brains is dead, and hearing from serveral doctors on whether or not there will ever be any improvements or any changes in the furture for my child to be healthy once again, yet knowing my child might be in pain, and see no changing in any of this, and also thinking do I want to see her/him be happy again? Do I want to see my child walking around enjoying her/his life than staying in the hospital bed for weeks, for months even years? or spending the rest of her/his life by laying there? and not seeking out where my child should be enjoying his/her life?....I would rather to see my child be happy once again and I know my child would be once he/she is in heaven, being able to enjoy the life that my child deserves to have, not a life where you lay in bed for the rest of your life by a machine that is keeping you alive....That's not a kind of life I would want to put my child thru, I rather to die to see that happen to my child....I will let my child go and let her/him be free from all the pain and suffering and let my child have peace in heaven where my child will be happy again!!:)...


Supposedly it happen to your own child, Are you willing to let them starve your own child? Can you be able to live with that?
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
"Terri Schiavo deserves the same chance at life that Sarah Scantlin was given. Both cases have involved women who suffered debilitating injuries and continued to live in a disabled state. Today we celebrate the news that Ms. Scantlin has regained her memory and ability to speak, and is apparently on the road to recovery.
"Mental disabilities do not damage a person's worth - the preciousness of life is not defined by one's abilities. Those who suffer a disabling injury are entitled to the same right to life as we all are. Those seeking to take away Mrs. Schiavo's right to life should have second thoughts after hearing Sarah Scantlin's story."


I agree completely with this. And I have to say, just because Terri is brain-damaged doesn't mean she cannot be loved. Her parents have every right to take her home and LOVE her, no matter what her disablities are. That Michael Schiavo would be callous enough to let Terri die and thus deprive her parents of the opportunity to love and care for her is absolutely appalling. : P
 
Toonces said:
I agree completely with this. And I have to say, just because Terri is brain-damaged doesn't mean she cannot be loved. Her parents have every right to take her home and LOVE her, no matter what her disablities are. That Michael Schiavo would be callous enough to let Terri die and thus deprive her parents of the opportunity to love and care for her is absolutely appalling. : P

If he is a gentleman, he should divorced her and let her parents take
her home.
 
Cheri said:
Supposedly it happen to your own child, Are you willing to let them starve your own child? Can you be able to live with that?

I don't believe a minute that she may be suffering from starve if her brains is dead Cheri and beside would you rather your child to live off a machine that keeping your child alive?, I mean you have to look at it this way also, not just the starving part....I know this is going to be hard decision to make as a parent but I don't want my child living in a hospital where a machine is keeping him alive, I rather to see my child enjoy the life that is REALLY out there, by doing so is to stop the machine that keeping him alive, and let him die peacefully and he will have the kind of life he deserved to have without going thru all the pains and suffering!...
 
^Angel^ said:
I don't believe a minute that she may be suffering from starve if her brains is dead Cheri and beside would you rather your child to live off a machine that keeping your child alive?, I mean you have to look at it this way also, not just the starving part....I know this is going to be hard decision to make as a parent but I don't want my child living in a hospital where a machine is keeping him alive, I rather to see my child enjoy the life that is REALLY out there, by doing so is to stop the machine that keeping him alive, and let him die peacefully and he will have the kind of life he deserved to have without going thru all the pains and suffering!...

I agree with what you've said. The only thing I have to clarify is that Terri is not on any machines. The only thing she is attached to is a feeding tube. She is able to breathe on her own because her brain stem still works. But, it's the only part of her brain that does work.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I agree with what you've said. The only thing I have to clarify is that Terri is not on any machines. The only thing she is attached to is a feeding tube. She is able to breathe on her own because her brain stem still works. But, it's the only part of her brain that does work.

Oppies my mistake, tsk tsk on me!... :aw:
 
Terri's husband should divorced his wife. And
let the family take care of her...
and Let them decide whether to remove tube or not.

It is the family's issue.
The husband already got a woman and a baby...
so he needs to go away... and focus on his new life.

He only wants the money by killing her off.
 
Oh I see.

Oh well.

Well ain't ya hearing?

I mean, I have Treacher Collins Syndrome...
and I think life is so precious.

I feel hearing people don't understand what it is like
to be disabled... and don't like to see people trying
to face challenges.

I imagine when a hearing person be in a car accident
or have stroke... and he or she won't want to be in that situation
if part of their body is paralyzed or alittle brain damage...

Do you think brain can heal?
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
Oh I see.

Oh well.

Well ain't ya hearing?

I mean, I have Treacher Collins Syndrome...
and I think life is so precious.

I feel hearing people don't understand what it is like
to be disabled... and don't like to see people trying
to face challenges.

I imagine when a hearing person be in a car accident
or have stroke... and he or she won't want to be in that situation
if part of their body is paralyzed or alittle brain damage...

Do you think brain can heal?

I think the brain has a remarkable capacity for regeneration. However, that's
only if the person is not diagnosed as brain dead. She is brain dead, and therefore, there is no hope for recovery.

Oh, and , btw...A little tidbit for you. I was born with spina bifida. I have been wheelchair bound since birth, so I know alittle something about being disabled.

Have a nice day. :)
 
^Angel^;

I don't think you have read the links that Toonces had provide, I think you are reading everyone else posts here.

Let me show you something about Terri....

Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.


Terri's husband,

Terri’s husband, Michael Schiavo, has denied any form of therapy for her for over 10 years.
He wanted her to die, He doesn't care about her, he wants her estate, her money.
Terri collapsed in 1990, leaving her profoundly cognitively disabled. Her husband won a $1.3 million malpractice judgment
and this...
this does not prove that Michael is responsible for her condition. But nurses report hearing him make such comments as "When is that bitch going to die."
Michael clearly would benefit from Terri's death. Not only is he the legal guardian of the trust fund holding what remains of the malpractice judgment, but he cannot wed his fiance so long as Terri lives.

Bottom line is: It is wrong for our society to decide who dies base on their opinions of what level of quality life is worth living, We don't know what Terri wants. It makes me sad what Terri is going through, But the same time It makes me heartbroken seeing our society controling her life, deciding when she should die, What happen to having faith? What happen to believing in miracle? I know it is no fun watching someone laying in bed, but I don't believe in taking someone's life just because you think she has no life, even through she is breathing on her own. :(
 
Cheri said:
Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.

I am totally confused on this, Terri is brain-damaged, how is she able to respond by communicate verbally , laugh, cry etc?....

I thought she only had part of her brains working by being able to breathe, but if that the case as it say above then she doesn't deserved to die....
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I think the brain has a remarkable capacity for regeneration. However, that's
only if the person is not diagnosed as brain dead. She is brain dead, and therefore, there is no hope for recovery.

Oh, and , btw...A little tidbit for you. I was born with spina bifida. I have been wheelchair bound since birth, so I know alittle something about being disabled.

Have a nice day. :)

Opps, I forgot about that.
 
I played the video Terri can move her eyes, can speak, and hear. She is paralyzed like Christopher Reeve. Nobody would kill Christopher because he was famous right but Terri is not famous. People who want her dead think that they can just pull the tube and walk away unnoticed.
 
tekkmortal said:
I played the video Terri can move her eyes, can speak, and hear. She is paralyzed like Christopher Reeve. Nobody would kill Christopher because he was famous right but Terri is not famous. People who want her dead think that they can just pull the tube and walk away unnoticed.


No, she's not. She's vegetative. That tape is very misleading. They ran it for hours and hours until they caught reflexive actions, and calledthem "purposeful" movements.

Also, she suffered a severe lack of oxygen to her brain damaging it beyond repair. Terri is also not paralyzed. Christopher Reeve suffered a broken neck, and therefore was paralyzed.
 
*Sigh*

I'm gonna post the entire letter written by the lawyer who visited Terri at the hospic for the first time. She too had thought Terri was too far gone to be any good until she saw Terri for herself. So, here it is...



A Visit With Terri Schiavo


Attorney Barbara Weller​

This past Christmas Eve day, 2004, I went to visit Terri Schiavo with her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, her sister, her niece, and Attorney David Gibbs III. The visit took place at the Woodside Hospice for about 45 minutes just before noon.

When I knew I was going to visit Terri with her parents, I had no idea what to expect. I was prepared for the possibility that the Schindlers love their daughter and sister so much that they might imagine behaviors by Terri that aren't actually evident to others. The media and Mr. Schiavo clearly give the impression that Terri is in a coma or comatose state and engages only in non-purposeful and reflexive movements and responses. I am a mother and a grandmother, as well as one of the Schindlers’ attorneys, and I could understand how parents might imagine behavior and purposeful activity that is not really there. I was prepared to be as objective as I could be during this visit and not to be disappointed at anything I saw or experienced.

I was truly surprised at what I saw from the moment we entered the little room where Terri is confined. The room is a little wider than the width of two single beds and about as long as the average bedroom, with plenty of room for us to stand at the foot of her bed. Terri is on the first floor and there is a lovely view to the outside grounds of the facility. The room is entered by a short hallway, however, and there is no way for Terri to see out into the hallway or for anyone in the hallway to observe Terri.

From the moment we entered the room, my impression was that Terri was very purposeful and interactive and she seemed very curious about the presence of obvious strangers in her room. Terri was not in bed, but was in her chair, which has a lounge chair appearance and elevates her head at about a 30-degree angle. She was dressed and washed, her hair combed, and she was covered with a holiday blanket. There were no tubes of any kind attached to her body. She was completely free of any restraints that would have indicated any type of artificial life support. Not even her feeding tube was attached and functioning when we entered, as she is not fed 24 hours a day.

The thing that surprised me the most about Terri as I took my turn to greet her by the side of her chair was how beautiful she is. I would have expected to see someone with a sallow and gray complexion and a sick looking countenance. Instead, I saw a very pretty woman with a peaches and cream complexion and a lovely smile, which she even politely extended to me as I introduced myself to her. I was amazed that someone who had not been outside for so many years and who received such minimal health care could look so beautiful. She appeared to have an inner light radiating from her face. I was truly taken aback by her beauty, particularly under the adverse circumstances in which she has found herself for so many years.

Terri’s parents, sister, and niece went immediately to greet Terri when we entered the room and stood in turn directly beside her head, stroking her face, kissing her and talking quietly with her. When she heard their voices, and particularly her mother's voice, Terri instantly turned her head towards them and smiled. Terri established eye contact with her family, particularly with her mother, who spent the most time with her during our visit. It was obvious that she recognized the voices in the room with the exception of one. Although her mother was talking to her at the time, she obviously had heard a new voice and exhibited a curious demeanor. Attorney Gibbs was having a conversation near the door with Terri’s sister. His voice is very deep and resonant and Terri obviously picked it up. Her eyes widened as if to say, “What’s that new sound I hear?” She scanned the room with her eyes, even turning her head in his direction, until she found Attorney Gibbs and the location of the new voice and her eyes rested momentarily in his direction. She then returned to interacting with her mother.

When her mother was close to her, Terri’s whole face lit up. She smiled. She looked directly at her mother and she made all sorts of happy sounds. When her mother talked to her, Terri was quiet and obviously listening. When she stopped, Terri started vocalizing. The vocalizations seemed to be a pattern, not merely random or reflexive at all. There is definitely a pattern of Terri having a conversation with her mother as best she can manage. Initially, she used the vocalization of “uh’uh” but without seeming to mean it as a way of saying “no”, just as a repeated speech pattern. She then began to make purposeful grunts in response to her mother’s conversation. She made the same sorts of sound with her father and sister, but not to the same extent or as delightedly as with her mother. She made no verbal response to her niece or to Attorney Gibbs and myself, but she did appear to pay attention to our words to her.

The whole experience was rather moving. Terri definitely has a personality. Her whole demeanor definitely changes when her mother speaks with her. She lights up and appears to be delighted at the interaction. She has an entirely different reaction to her father who jokes with her and has several standing jokes that he uses when he enters and exits her presence. She appears to merely “tolerate” her father, as a child does when she says “stop” but really means, “this is fun.” When her father greets her, he always does the same thing. He says, “here comes the hug” and hugs her. He then says, “you know what’s coming next---the kiss.” Her father has a scratchy mustache and both times when he went through this little joke routine with her, she laughed in a way she did not do with anyone else. When her father is ready to plant the kiss on her cheek, she immediately makes a face her family calls the “lemon face.” She puckers her lips, screws up her whole face, and turns away from him, as if making ready for the scratchy assault on her cheek that she knows is coming. She did the exact same thing both times that her father initiated this little routine joke between the two of them.

The interactions with her family and our appearance in her room appeared to require some effort and exertion from Terri. From time to time, she would close her eyes as if to rest. This happened primarily when no one was paying particular attention to her, but we were talking among ourselves. After a few minutes or when one of the visitors approached her and started to talk directly to her again, Terri would open her eyes and begin her grunting sounds again in response to their conversations. Although I approached her, leaned close and stroked her arms and spoke to her, she did not verbally respond to me.

Terri’s hands are curled up around little soft cylinders that help her not to injure herself. I understand that these contractures are likely very painful, although there was a time when Terri was receiving simple motion therapy when her hands and arms relaxed and were no longer as constricted. When the therapy was discontinued by order of her guardian and the court, the contractures returned. These contractures would apparently be avoidable if Terri were given the simple range of motion therapy she previously received. It is very sad to observe firsthand these conditions that make her life more difficult, but that would be correctable with little effort.

(To be continued in the next post)
 
When we were preparing to leave, the interactions with Terri changed. First, she went through the joke routine with her father and the “lemon face.” When her niece said goodbye to her, Terri did not react. Nor did she react to me or to Attorney Gibbs when we said our goodbyes to her. When her sister went to her to say goodbye, Terri’s verbalizations changed dramatically. Instead of the happy grunting and “uh uh” sounds she had been making throughout the visit, her verbalizations at these goodbyes changed to a very low and different sound that appeared to come from deep in her throat and was almost like a growl. She first made the sound when her sister said goodbye and then, amazingly to me, she made exactly the same sound when her mother said goodbye to her. It seemed Terri was visibly upset that they were leaving. She almost appeared to be trying to cling to them, although this impression came only from her changed facial expression and sounds, since her hands cannot move. It appeared like she did not want to be alone and knew they were leaving. It was definitely apparent in the short time I was there that her emotions changed—it was apparent when she was happy and enjoying herself, when she was amused, when she was resting from her exertion to communicate, and when she was sad at her guests leaving. It was readily apparent and surprising that her mood changed so often in a short 45-minute visit.

I was pleasantly surprised to observe Terri’s purposeful and varied behaviors with the various members of her family and with Attorney Gibbs and myself. I never imagined Terri would be so active, curious, and purposeful. She watched people intently, obviously was attempting to communicate with each one in various ways and with various facial expressions and sounds. She was definitely not in a coma, not even close. This visit certainly shed more light for me on why the Schindlers are fighting so hard to protect her, to get her medical care and rehabilitative assistance, and to spend all they have to protect her life.

I realize that Terri has good days and bad days. There are obviously days when she does not interact with her family, as they had previously told us. There are also apparently days when Terri is even more interactive and responsive to them than she was on the day I visited. Since this visit I am more convinced than ever that the Schindlers are not just parents who refuse to let go of their daughter. There really is a lot going on with their daughter and potentially, it seemed obvious to me, Terri could improve even more with appropriate care and 24 hour a day love that can only come from a dedicated family. As I watched her, my foremost thought was that on the next day, Christmas, Terri should not have been confined to her small room in a hospice center, nice as that room was, but that she should have been gathered around the Christmas dinner table enjoying the holiday with her family.

MEDIA: Call the Gibbs Law Firm Media Director, Mr. Keith Brickell, at O:727-399-8300 or C:727-458-4824 to arrange an interview with Attorney David Gibbs III or Attorney Barbara Weller. He can be reached by email: kbrickell@gibbsfirm.com.

The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation is the official organization responsible for speaking on behalf of the Schindler family. For more information and background on the case, visit the foundation’s website at www.terrisfight.org.


Source: www.terrisfight.org.




Well, that is why I was impressed with this letter....it shows that Terri is not entirely in a "vegetable" state as Michael Schivaro and his lawyers kept claiming. And Terri is responsive to her family, so that is why I find it heart-breaking if Terri is allowed to be starved to death... She NEEDS her family and her family needs her too. :(
 
Keep in mind the above "interaction" was with Terri and a couple of right to life lawyers. It's biased.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Keep in mind the above "interaction" was with Terri and a couple of right to life lawyers. It's biased.


Whatever :roll: It is easy judge those people when you never saw Terri yourself in person either have any of us expect those people who talked about Terri is the ones who saw Terri, know her condition.
 
Cheri said:
Whatever :roll: It is easy judge those people when you never saw Terri yourself in person either have any of us expect those people who talked about Terri is the ones who saw Terri, know her condition.

How can they know her condition? They are lawyers; not doctors. :ugh2:
 
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