Cruel & Unusual Punishment

sunny_signs said:
Stupid. Constitutional right child not be rape should far outweigh constitutional right monster raping them.
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The issue is - "rape" is a very large umbrella term. A 19 year old guy having sex with a 17 year old girl is legally a child rapist according to the law in some states.
 
I talk about people make child pornography. Not consensual sex involve teenagers, other grey areas. Actual, demonstrable rape children.
 
jillio said:
If I am not mistaken, it has been ruled unconstitutional.
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Pity... that's why I was "[kinda kidding]" ...

Sunny is right, cruel and unusual is to punish an innocent child by molestation that could be (... I need a word weaker the prevented but stronger then discouraged...)

But the topic is DRUGS... :giggle:

What about hippy towns were the Feds are just 'highly discouraged' and people pay a flat 30-40% tax on everything...('fair tax') and can use most drugs and other freedoms not usual to USA.
 
sunny_signs said:
I talk about people make child pornography. Not consensual sex involve teenagers, other grey areas. Actual, demonstrable rape children.
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Absolutely! I personally think child rapists/pedophiles/users of child porn should be strung up by their balls then killed.

Just saying - since we're talking about constitutionality of microchipping child rapists is that you're opening a door that would includes more than just rapists of young children for many would argue it's just as terrible for a 19 year old guy to have sex with a 17 year old girl. That's why microchipping would never be permitted.

However, there exists an online database of all registered sex offenders. And many of them are driven away or not permitted to live in many parts of the cities. Lisa Ling did a documetary about homeless sex offenders who were not able to work and were driven out by society. I think they deserve it.
 
sunny_signs said:
Stupid. Constitutional right child not be rape should far outweigh constitutional right monster raping them.
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You can't guarantee that anyone will ever offend again. The acutal recidivism rates are very low.
 
jillio said:
You can't guarantee that anyone will ever offend again. The acutal recidivism rates are very low.
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Don't really care. You rape child, you not deserve any kind leniency, forgiveness. Not care why you do it, how sorry you are, if you promise never do again. I ALWAYS take side of child, never side of monster who hurt them. I agree Caroline. Strung by balls, kill. Only time I believe capital punishment justified for paedophiles, child molesters.
 
sunny_signs said:
Don't really care. You rape child, you not deserve any kind leniency, forgiveness. Not care why you do it, how sorry you are, if you promise never do again. I ALWAYS take side of child, never side of monster who hurt them. I agree Caroline. Strung by balls, kill. Only time I believe capital punishment justified for paedophiles, child molesters.
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:shock:

So you are in favor of executing mentally ill people. What about an 18 year old that has sex with a 16 year old?
 
sunny_signs said:
Don't really care. You rape child, you not deserve any kind leniency, forgiveness. Not care why you do it, how sorry you are, if you promise never do again. I ALWAYS take side of child, never side of monster who hurt them. I agree Caroline. Strung by balls, kill. Only time I believe capital punishment justified for paedophiles, child molesters.
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Canada abolished the capital punishment years ago.
 
jillio said:
You can't guarantee that anyone will ever offend again. The acutal recidivism rates are very low.
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For rape? For child molestation? I would think that recidivism (relapses) for both are pretty high.
 
Buffalo said:
For rape? For child molestation? I would think that recidivism (relapses) for both are pretty high.
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Here is what I came across...

Question

How does the recidivism of child molesters differ from that of nonsexual criminals?

Method

The RCMP records of 191 child molesters and 137 nonsexual criminals were examined 15-30 years after their release from a maximum security provincial institution. The child molester sample was the same as that previously examined by Hanson, Steffy & Gauthier (1992, 1993).

Answer

The initial follow-up of the child molesters found that 42% were reconvicted of a sexual or violent crime during the 15-30 year follow-up period. Ten percent of the total sample of child molesters were first convicted for a sexual/violent crime between 10 and 31 years after release. Not all child molesters recidivated at the same rate. The highest rate of recidivism (77%) was for those with previous sexual offenses, who selected extrafamilial boy victims, and who were never married. In contrast, the long-term recidivism rate for the low risk offenders was less than 20%.

Although the long-term recidivism rates for the child molesters were substantial, the recidivism rates for the nonsexual criminals were even higher, 61% versus 83.2%, respectively, for any reconviction. That nonsexual criminals have higher recidivism rates than child molesters runs contrary to the common assumption that child molesters are a particularly high risk group of offenders. Nonsexual criminals tended to be reconvicted for property offenses and for nonsexual violent offenses. In contrast, child molesters had much higher rates of sexual recidivism (35%) than did the nonsexual criminal group (1.5%). The predictors of sexual recidivism (e.g., prior sexual offenses, victim type) were different from the predictors of nonsexual recidivism (e.g., low education, youth, nonviolent offences).

Policy implications
  • Child molesters have different programming needs than do nonsexual criminals. This result supports the practice of offering specialized treatment programs to sexual offenders.
  • Since not all child molesters are at high risk to reoffend, a range of information is required to identify those child molesters who truly are at high risk. A record of a single conviction for child molestation is insufficient for identifying the high risk offenders.
  • The risk factors for predicting sexual reoffending are different from the factors that predict general reoffending. Consequently, attention to different factors is required in the applied risk assessment of different offender groups.
  • Special policies concerning pardons for child molesters may be needed, since child molesters remain at risk for recidivism for many years, and there appears to be no critical time period after which their risk is substantially reduced.
  • Special provisions may be required for the long-term supervision of certain high risk child molesters in the community.

Source

Hanson, R. K., Scott, H., & Steffy, R. A. (1995). A Comparison of Child Molesters and Non-Sexual Criminals: Risk Predictors and Long-term Recidivism. Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency, 32(3), 325-337.

Other references:

Hanson, R. K., Steffy, R. A., & Gauthier, R. (1993). Long-term recidivism of child molesters. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 61, 646-652.

Hanson, R. K., Steffy, R. A., & Gauthier, R. (1992). Long-term follow-up of child molesters: Risk prediction and treatment outcome. (User Report No. 1992-02.) Ottawa: Corrections Branch, Ministry of the Solicitor General of Canada.
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Child molester recidivism
 
Banjo, I think you need to start doing my homework for me :D
 
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