Bush Serious About Gay Marriage Ban

[Kalista]

President Bush in his second term "absolutely" would push for a constitutional amendment that says marriage consists only of the union of a man and a woman, White House political adviser Karl Rove said.

Bush believes states can deal with the issue of civil unions between gay people, an arrangement that if enacted would grant same-sex partners most or all the rights available to married couples, Rove said on "Fox News Sunday."

But a national ban on same-sex marriage is the only way to make sure "activist judges" don't redefine marriage, he said.

As for the Supreme Court, Rove said Bush would nominate only judges who would "strictly apply the law, strictly interpret the Constitution" from the bench.

"He views judges as the impartial umpires," Rove said. "They shouldn't be activist legislators who just happen to wear robes and never face election, ... (who) feel free to pursue their own personal or political agenda."

Rove said Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), the Republican in line to head the Senate Judiciary Committee (news - web sites), has assured the president that he would make certain that all appellate nominees receive a prompt hearing and reach the Senate floor.

 

[Vance]

Sen. Arlen Specter is only one who have the guts to stand up and disagree about hiring judges with/support Bush's views. It got many narrow-minded evangelical christians & conservative republicans got steamed up and cussed at him for what he said.

Specter is right about what he said. I mean, who are us to judge? Where did God or Jesus say that we can impose our beliefs on other people? Hypocrites :roll:

It is no wonder why evangelical republicans & Bush refuse to consider about passing a hate crime law. :roll:

Well, I hope to God that gay marriage ban and other things will not get passed also I hope to God that none of supreme court judges will resign within four years. That's only way to save our humanity.

Edit: Correct my post. I edited out the wrong information.

 

[Reba]

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[Vance]

God and Jesus both commanded against sin.
People and governments already "impose" their beliefs, thru laws, against murder, stealing, and lying. Is that hypocritical?

Yes. Yes, God and Jesus both commanded against sin. Allow me ask you a question. Are you God? Are you Jesus? No? then don't impose your beliefs on others. Simple enough, no? Jesus state that we cannot impose our beliefs on others. I don't understand why you are using other people or government as example.. you know the fact that Jesus does not allow and are you plan to neglect Jesus and His Words? If you know that then don't impose. Also that's what 'practice what you preach' statement mean.

About murder, stealing and lying. It is not people's or government's beliefs. It is oppression and violence. So therefore imposing the laws on these violence and oppression is not hyprocritical Is gays in oppression group? No. Is gays in violence group? No. So therefore I failed to see your point.

Which bill specfically is that? Please specify so I can look it up.

It is called, 'Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act' It included hate crime and Bush continues to refuse to support the Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act. I quoted:

The Democrats unanimously support initiatives that Bush has kept quiet on or has opposed: outlawing workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation, and extending the federal hate-crimes law to protect gays.

You can read more at http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/archive/030818/20030818041240_brief.php (full article available for fee)

In fact... Bush's opposition to hate crimes legislation dates back to his days as governor of Texas. In a closed-door session in 1999, Bush personally appealed to Republican legislators to defeat the James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Act on the grounds that its list of protected categories included sexual orientation. It is one of the few anticrime measures Bush opposed as governor.

Source:

http://www.texasmonthly.com/mag/1999/sep/byrd.php?1228644048 (registration require)
http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/815/815_cvr_bush.asp (free and no registration require)

I believe I answer everything. I want to add this good quote:

"To kill with an evil purpose is a far more serious crime than killing recklessly or negligently."

- Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

And one thing about hate crime, it was so successful in Canada and Sweden. People are no longer feel fear of certain people.

 

[sequoias]

Bush seems like a old fart redneck, so I'm sure why he hates gays and very religous, too. Red=evil Blue=angel, that's what it looks like to me.

 

[Cheri]

Reba, just because it is a sin for gay and lesbian marriage that doesn't give you the right to judge. I am sure you have sin in your life and nobody is perfect it is up to God to judge not you.


It really does not matter to me rather they get married or not because, it isn't my place to judge. People fall in love sometimes for the right reason sometimes for the wrong reason but that doesn't give us a right to judge others who do what they want in their life. I think Gay Marriage banned is wrong, because Bush thinks about only himself instead of 'we the people'. and that shows he is judging. it's ridiculous that gay marriage is such a huge issue. don't people like you have better things to do than worry if another person's relationship is called a "union" or "marriage"? So anything that you think is wrong should be banned? Lots of churchs are against pornography. Should that be banned? Should women remain housewives for the next century? we are living in a free nation, but it doesn't sound like free to me. how many people do you know who just sat down and decided who they could or could not fall in love with? if they're attracted to someone of the same sex, they can't just up and change that. they're people too.

 

[Reba]

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[Cheri]

The law only controls who marries

Why should the law controls who should married?! America is suppose to be freedom of nation, It sure doesn't show that at all.

There is no law against falling in love.

How can u say that? Why do you think they say we should banned same sex marriage? when two people fall in love they cannot get married it like taking their rights away of falling in love.

I don't understand how that relates to the topic.

I am giving an example of what supposedly should be banned likewise some people are so strongly disagree with same sex marriage, which is a big hot topic those days. If those who thinks gay marriage is wrong why not banned everything you do not agree on. It's like the world of America is changing to it's control nation.

 

[harleymn]

Cheri

I think banned gays blahahblah whatever is wrong,Why becuz it is teaching kids oh yeah it is ok do what they are diong,.Like for example, what if your child becomes one of those who is to judge ,you not god.

 

[Taylor]

Whats funny is the Bush bashers say 'Bush is doing this' or 'Bush is doing that'. Its fine if you want you don't like Bush...and its fine if you want to be critical of him, but lets put blame where its due. Many states have laws banning same sex marriage. Most of these states (if not all) had laws in effect prior to George Bush becoming President.

I see posts that this one here, and the following:
http://alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=11732

I fail to see exactly where George Bush is banning same sex marriage. So why do these threads trash George Bush when he doesn't have anything to do with what the state laws say. Bush can say he disagrees with same sex marriage. He can say the sky is green....it doesn't make it so, and because he's President it doesn't make him responsible for it.

Saddam Hussein kills his own citizens, lets blame Bush. Arnold wants to be governor but can't....lets blame Bush. Gas prices go up...lets blame Bush. It rained very hard here last week..lets blame Bush. Arafat dies....lets blame Bush.
If you hate George Bush, thats all fine and dandy, but why blame him for all these issues.
The state I live in bans same sex marriages. Whether I agree or disagree, it is the law. George Bush did not right those laws. In fact, Democrats and Republicans created the laws together.

A quote from the Washington Post in regards to a lawsuit in Maryland by 9 gay couples who were denied licenses:

Maryland Attorney General J. Joseph Curran (D), whose office represents the county clerks who denied the licenses, said in a statement that he would defend the law. But Curran said it was "appropriate that the issue, which has been framed as a matter of civil rights, be decided by the courts."

For those that don't know it, that (D) behind his name means he is a Democrat. He isn't a Republican and he isn't George Bush.

So, anyone care to explain to me what it is the fault of George Bush when its the states that have these laws on the books? If you live in a state that bans gay marriage and you think they should allow it, why are the headlines 'Maryland Bans Same Sex Marriage'? Instead its 'I Hate George Bush Because My Coffee Was Too Cold This Morning'.

If you want to fault George Bush, why don't you fault him on the things he's actually done wrong?

 

[Banjo]

I fail to see exactly where George Bush is banning same sex marriage.

I understand where you're coming from with the states. But it is also well-known that George W. Bush has a strong intention of getting an amendment to ban gay marriage to be made. He has made this perfectly clear.

Now, it's true that states are now responsible for the recent bans on gay marriage. Still, George W. Bush is planning on getting it done soon.

 

[Cheri]

I think banned gays blahahblah whatever is wrong,Why becuz it is teaching kids oh yeah it is ok do what they are diong,.Like for example, what if your child becomes one of those who is to judge ,you not god.

"blahblahblah" <<


I teach my both of my children not to judge others but accept all equally. If you teach your children the same matter then you wouldn't have such issue.

And no actually it does not mean you are teaching your children its the right thing to do. Supposedly if you have a child and your child grew up as a young fine man and is gay are you going to accept him for being gay or are you going to shut him out of your life?

 

[Cheri]

I fail to see exactly where George Bush is banning same sex marriage. So why do these threads trash George Bush when he doesn't have anything to do with what the state laws say.

He did said he strongly agreed to banned same sex marriage. and the state laws already been doing it But, Bush wants to change the constitutional. get it now?

 

[Taylor]

Bush can do feel any way he wants to and try anything he wants to. My point being is he has no power to make a national ban on gay marriage. He can say all day he wants to start one, but that doesn't give him the power to do so. Bush also doesn't have the power to sneak down the hall at 3am with a pencil and change the constitution.

He can talk all day long about banning gay marriage. He has just as much right to discuss it was we do in this forum. Doesn't mean its his fault that certain states won't let you get married.

 

[Cheri]

Bush can do feel any way he wants to and try anything he wants to. My point being is he has no power to make a national ban on gay marriage. He can say all day he wants to start one, but that doesn't give him the power to do so. Bush also doesn't have the power to sneak down the hall at 3am with a pencil and change the constitution.

Yes that is very true, He doesn't hold all the power to change the consitution, but if a bill is passed it can change the consitution.

He can talk all day long about banning gay marriage. He has just as much right to discuss it was we do in this forum. Doesn't mean its his fault that certain states won't let you get married.

He supported the same sex marriage banned so yes, it is part of his fault if the bill does get signed. Kerry did not support the same sex marriage banned because, He only did that because of "we the people" but, himself honestly do want to banned same sex marriage but he wasn't thinking about himself.

 

[harleymn]

Cheri

ok i gues you winn then,but my kids aint becoming like them becuz i tought them just like your boys. but iam sayng i feel sorry for the others didnt get the same parenting that we did.So that is where iam talking about. Sorry

 

[Banjo]

ok i gues you winn then,but my kids aint becoming like them becuz i tought them just like your boys. but iam sayng i feel sorry for the others didnt get the same parenting that we did.So that is where iam talking about. Sorry

Just a question, what if you turn out to be wrong about your children not being gay and that one of your children grow up to be a gay or a lesbian?

How would you react, and what would you do?

 

[JesKlu]

In my opinion gay marriage is wrong. Just being gay is wrong. why? Because it says in the book of Leviticus, "Do not practice homosexuality, it is an indetestable sin." That why bush is against gay marriage. Oh yeah that quote up there, the Do not practice homosexuality quote, God was saying that to moses to tell the Israelis. So obviously homosexuality is a sin. It is wrong. But someone else may think differently.

 

[Beowulf]

It would be comical to see such media focus on this instead of the most important message in the bible that certain people swear by: Thou shall not kill.
And also Love thy neighbors.
Comical, yes, but the hypocrisy makes it a tragedy.
Thank goodness such people are a minority and it is time to put them in their rightful place.
What a whining bunch we will have then, when they insist the rules do not apply to THEM.

 

[ideafspy]

just because it is a sin for gay and lesbian marriage that doesn't give you the right to judge. I am sure you have sin in your life and nobody is perfect it is up to God to judge not you.

Reba didn't say that about the sin for gay and lesbian marriage. The bible already said so and Reba just say that because the bible told her so.

And the rest of this saying about freedom, we do have freedom and I don't see any limited. If you want freedom and I would kill you because it my freedom too? If there are law apply from bible as similar our law as murder as bible say its sin.

About the falling in love with same sex. It is all from their mind because of their needed. So how it is bless for us have freedom, the rights, thing like that. I am not talking about the opposite of rights, just cllairfy what i mean.