Is mainstream good for deaf?

What do u think about mainstreamed programs that have no clue how to serve deaf children so instead of consulting with someone who is trained in the field of deaf education, they place the children in classes with other children who have mental retardation, severe LD, austistic, or with behavior disorders?

It makes me outraged because it should not be happening and those children deserve to be taught using the regular ed curriculm not a life-based curriculm!
 
Maybe, but you're not alone. My first year of mainstreaming was third grade. The stories I could tell from that year alone, would make the average person cry.

But, Deafdyke... Your school experience didn't cause bipolar disorder. It may have aggravated it, but it didn't cause it. But, I get what you're saying.... Trauma in any form causes a bunch of problems that we need not have to deal with if we're only provided with the means to function in the environment we're in.

I have to agree on that. For Bi-Polar to manifest, there has to be combination of a biological predisposition, and negative environmental impact that interact.
 
What do u think about mainstreamed programs that have no clue how to serve deaf children so instead of consulting with someone who is trained in the field of deaf education, they place the children in classes with other children who have mental retardation, severe LD, austistic, or with behavior disorders?

It makes me outraged because it should not be happening and those children deserve to be taught using the regular ed curriculm not a life-based curriculm!

**nodding** To do otherwise is to prevent these kids from realizing their full potential and to become fully productive members of society.
 
I agreed that kids need to realize their full potential and fully productive members of our society.
 
LOL....sorry about that......But I do think that my experiance growing up in the mainstream was a VERY severe trigger for my bipolar issues. I know enviroment or genes cannot and usually don't trigger illnesses. It's usually a combonation.
 
LOL....sorry about that......But I do think that my experiance growing up in the mainstream was a VERY severe trigger for my bipolar issues. I know enviroment or genes cannot and usually don't trigger illnesses. It's usually a combonation.

Not to worry. I know what you're saying. It may not have caused it, but it made it worse.
 
It really does seem like mainstreaming has only helped the small percentage of dhh folks who are either really high achiever types, (who very often are the kids who would have acheived any way....even before 1975, there were dhh kids who did really well mainstream!) or they are relatively late deafened. Mainstreaming it's too fucking easy for kids to fall through the cracks. Heck, sped kids aren't the only kids who are underacheiving........believe it or not, GIFTED kids often underacheive! So what that means, is that a public school tends to be targeted to that Mythical Average Learner.
 
You know what really bothers me is even those who claim academic success in the mainstream report socialization problems. School aged kids have many developmental tasks to complete, and the majority are dependent upon those kids being in an environment that helps them learn, through interaction with their peers, how to begin to individuate and develop relationships outside the family, as well as identity development. If they are in a school environment that does not allow for healthy resolution of the psychosocial tasks of childhood, the difficulties created for them last a lifetime, unless they receive help as adults to resolve what should have occurred naturally in childhood. In effect, they spend their adult years trying to learn those things that should have been learned in childhood, but they were prevented from doing so by an environment that restricted their psychosocial development.

A student who has achieved honor role grades, but is incapable of forming healthy relationships with others, has not developed a healthy self concept and has a fragmented identity is not going to be able to succeed in the world of employment. The whole purpose of the academic experience is to prepare a child to be a successful adult across the board. Part of the preparation includes being able to function as an individual and become self supporting not just financially, but socially, emotionally, and psychologically. What good have we done if we neglect these important issues involved in education?
 
You know what really bothers me is even those who claim academic success in the mainstream report socialization problems. School aged kids have many developmental tasks to complete, and the majority are dependent upon those kids being in an environment that helps them learn, through interaction with their peers, how to begin to individuate and develop relationships outside the family, as well as identity development. If they are in a school environment that does not allow for healthy resolution of the psychosocial tasks of childhood, the difficulties created for them last a lifetime, unless they receive help as adults to resolve what should have occurred naturally in childhood. In effect, they spend their adult years trying to learn those things that should have been learned in childhood, but they were prevented from doing so by an environment that restricted their psychosocial development.

A student who has achieved honor role grades, but is incapable of forming healthy relationships with others, has not developed a healthy self concept and has a fragmented identity is not going to be able to succeed in the world of employment. The whole purpose of the academic experience is to prepare a child to be a successful adult across the board. Part of the preparation includes being able to function as an individual and become self supporting not just financially, but socially, emotionally, and psychologically. What good have we done if we neglect these important issues involved in education?


I am one of them. Boy, was I so screwed up when I look back on who I was in high school. My best friend just sent me a long email a few hours ago about her life and how much she hates it. She said being a mom puts her right back to high school. Something about her habit of putting herself on a pedestal to meet everyone's level of trying to please them. That unhealthy self-image came from being mainstreamed and she is still dealing with it because she has yet immersed herself full time in the Deaf community like I did. I used to have the same self-image of myself until I went to Gallaudet and separated from my ex hubby.

Everyone thinks because we were able to graduate from college, can communicate with hearing people, or whatever, we are both successful mainstreamed oral deaf people but they HAVE or HAD no idea what both of us had to go through or are dealing with. At least most of my issues have been resolved but hers...she still has a long long way to go and she may not get to where I am if she continues to be around hearing people who treat her like a 2nd class citizen.
 
Being hearing, but also apart of Sped and mainstreaming, I had similiare issues. When I entered the school system at the age of 4, they labelled me MR. I was NOT MR, but that's the label they placed on me. It soon became apparent that I could learn and be on par with kids my own age. My parents fought to have me placed in a mainstreaming environment, but once that was accomplished (it took 4 yrs), I had other issues. They said that if I was to be mainstreamed, I had to be bussed to my regular neighborhood school. Fine. I was, but with that came all the teasing, redicule, bullying and terrorism I endured simply because I was "different". I was the only student in the school who was wheelchair bound. Yes, I was with my peers. Yes, I was learning, but at what cost?

I will tell you the cost. I went on to develop depression, GAD and a whole host of other things. I was quiet. I only interacted with my sister or when I was around family. Socially, I was very unsure of myself. And, those issues didn't go away once I graduated. Today, I struggle with GAD and other mental illnesses. I have trust issues. I have a social phobia and the list goes on.

For me personally, both Special Ed and mainstreaming were bad. The Sped curriculum wasn't advanced enough to meet my needs, and yet, the mainstream was downright cruel.

Where's the middle ground if there is one?
 
The whole purpose of the academic experience is to prepare a child to be a successful adult across the board. Part of the preparation includes being able to function as an individual and become self supporting not just financially, but socially, emotionally, and psychologically. What good have we done if we neglect these important issues involved in education?

Spot on! ... the educational body are defeating the purpose of education for the deaf. *smh*
 
A student who has achieved honor role grades, but is incapable of forming healthy relationships with others, has not developed a healthy self concept and has a fragmented identity is not going to be able to succeed in the world of employment. The whole purpose of the academic experience is to prepare a child to be a successful adult across the board. Part of the preparation includes being able to function as an individual and become self supporting not just financially, but socially, emotionally, and psychologically. What good have we done if we neglect these important issues involved in education?
Exactly! When I had a healthy social life, I was a lot happier in school and in life in general.
And yes, OB I think they should do a middle ground. Which is why I think that a split placement sort of placement is ideal.
 
Exactly! When I had a healthy social life, I was a lot happier in school and in life in general.
And yes, OB I think they should do a middle ground. Which is why I think that a split placement sort of placement is ideal.

Yea, that would be a great idea!
 
Exactly! When I had a healthy social life, I was a lot happier in school and in life in general.
And yes, OB I think they should do a middle ground. Which is why I think that a split placement sort of placement is ideal.

I have no problems with a split placement at all. Particularly for older kids, and especially if they have been provided with a proper environment when they were younger.
 
I have no problems with a split placement at all. Particularly for older kids, and especially if they have been provided with a proper environment when they were younger.

I also can see the benefits of it. I also wish there had been something like that for kids like me, who had mobility impairments, but were of normal intelligence. Back when I was very young (early to mid 70s), you had two choices... Special Ed or mainstreaming, and imho, neither was a good option for me.
 
I also can see the benefits of it. I also wish there had been something like that for kids like me, who had mobility impairments, but were of normal intelligence. Back when I was very young (early to mid 70s), you had two choices... Special Ed or mainstreaming, and imho, neither was a good option for me.

That is a good illustration for the 504 plan that we were discussing under another thread. The 504 plan would grant students such as yourself the right to enter into the mainstream, but provides for no services or accommodations that assist the student in the adjustment to the mainstream.
 
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