I'm not a Christian anymore

[netrox]

Each Person of the Godhead is called holy in Heaven.

Revelation 4
8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

And you believe in The Revelation?

That book, along with Pauline letters, should be removed from the New Testament. Paul never saw Jesus. Revelation happened a century later and there were lots of questionable authorship. The Church nearly removed it from the Bible because it wasn't clear. As a result, there are several interpretation camps on that book. Just a waste of time.

If you try to quote from the Revelation, it's meaningless because it's not a genuine book.

-jeff

 

[XBGMER]

I HATE CHRISTIANS, because they claimed they are CHRISTIAN, then mis-use his name's reputation... they always judge and harsh toward others's different belief without their respects. they think they are RIGHTOUS!! yeah right.. geez..

Jesus Christ was Man, since scripture told that He was the man of the Lord on seventh day.. He is not God/ spirit, but He must be THE SON OF MAN which is SON OF GOD as Look at Luke 3:38. Result Jesus Christ himself was the Same Son of Man and God like another sons the prophets of Israel.

But Jesus is lucifer??? They are same title "son of morning" .... mmmm.. who know!

 

[Angel]

I HATE CHRISTIANS, because they claimed they are CHRISTIAN, then mis-use his name's reputation... they always judge and harsh toward others's different belief without their respects. they think they are RIGHTOUS!! yeah right.. geez..

Wow , if you hate Christians then you must hate me too, btw I haven't judge nor was harsh on anyone's belief....So, please be careful what you say here....


And speaking of respect, doesn't it go both ways?... smile

 

[christlovedeaf]

Paul did not write the Book of Revelation, Beloved Joh did when he's been thrown in Isle of Patmos. Book of Revelation is parallel with OT like Daniel, Ezekiel. And no, it isn't the reason they don't understand and try to throw Revelation out, the real reason is this, some don't understand the illustration or symbol like 10 horns, the other like face like a man, wings is loud with a sound like many locust and etc, there are many symbolic is the problem that some doesn't understand. Like Hal Lindsey, he gave a good illustration and some agree with. Now, some do believe its already happening. Like John described Him in Revelation is similar as Isaiah. And again about Trinity, getting the wrong idea how you look at. God, The Father, God, The Son and God, the Holy Spirit equal One God. That's the whole realm of God. If Jesus isn't God, then His name isn't Jesus (Yeshua) or Immanuel (God with us).

 

[Foxrac]

I HATE CHRISTIANS, because they claimed they are CHRISTIAN, then mis-use his name's reputation... they always judge and harsh toward others's different belief without their respects. they think they are RIGHTOUS!! yeah right.. geez..

Jesus Christ was Man, since scripture told that He was the man of the Lord on seventh day.. He is not God/ spirit, but He must be THE SON OF MAN which is SON OF GOD as Look at Luke 3:38. Result Jesus Christ himself was the Same Son of Man and God like another sons the prophets of Israel.

But Jesus is lucifer??? They are same title "son of morning" .... mmmm.. who know!

Yea... I agree but some members would get offend by you.

Just be careful and keep private.

 

[Reba]

And you believe in The Revelation?

That book, along with Pauline letters, should be removed from the New Testament. Paul never saw Jesus.

Paul met the resurrected Jesus on the road to Damascus.

Acts 26
12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, 13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

I Corinthians 9
1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?

I Corinthians 15
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.


Besides, the apostle John, not Paul, wrote the book of Revelation.

Revelation happened a century later and there were lots of questionable authorship.

A century later than what? It was about 60 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus, not a century.

The Church nearly removed it from the Bible because it wasn't clear...

Which "Church"?

If you try to quote from the Revelation, it's meaningless because it's not a genuine book.

According to you, none of the Bible is "genuine" so why do you care about this book?

 

[Reba]

...But Jesus is lucifer??? They are same title "son of morning" .... mmmm.. who know!

No, they are not the same.

Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


That Bible verse is about Lucifer, not Jesus.

 

[rockdrummer]

hmmm, my dog show up in this room and got on my lap.


What does that mean?

hmmm... well Dog is God spelled backwards. perhaps its a sign.

 

[Foxrac]

I LOVE CHRISTIANS, because they claimed they are CHRISTIAN, then use his name's reputation... they always judge and positive toward others's different belief without their respects. they think they are RIGHTOUS!! yeah right.. geez..

Jesus Christ was Man, since scripture told that He was the man of the Lord on seventh day.. He is not God/ spirit, but He must be THE SON OF MAN which is SON OF GOD as Look at Luke 3:38. Result Jesus Christ himself was the Same Son of Man and God like another sons the prophets of Israel.

But Jesus is lucifer??? They are same title "son of morning" .... mmmm.. who know!

Fixed it for you

 

[Phillips]

Try believe positive

 

[XBGMER]

No, they are not the same.

Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


That Bible verse is about Lucifer, not Jesus.

Hey please don't misunderstand or mis-interpreter me by you..

Do you think that Jesus was not lucifer? how can you example me that Jesus is the morning star.

In Scripture's verse saying: God is Light.. Angel of Light was Satan. that why I was wondered that God is Satan, or Satan is God. Result, they are same meanings without questions or asking.. I am sure those confuse you for existence rest because you can't figure those out to soluation..

In my opinion is yes what I believed that Jesus is lucifer, that what I learned it from scriptures for years more than just 10 years.. Therefore, Scriputre is MY DOCTRINE, no else nor anything added with holy scriptures..

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm neutral to any religions and know that it's human authors who wrote the kind of bibles.

I would like to share my story here with you all bit.

I debated with Christians in any threads here. They claimed that a person who have good self-esteem and positive their life is selfish because a person think her/himself, not thought about God/Jesus & no grateful what God created us... etc. I disagreed & tried to convince them that God/Jesus would not want us to worship them but want us to cope our family & life with our strength.

All what I see in some threads that the people blames or thank God for what he did to them etc... I can't see the sense why the people use God as an excuse to blame or thank what he did for them... All what I want to say: Please leave God/Jesus alone because they did nothing to us but let us cope our own life with the strength.

I met some Christians at Spa. I can't beleive what I saw in them is very low self-esteem. They realized what they are and want the help, that's why Public Health Insurance send them to spa to develop their self-esteem. They learn to enjoy themselves and positive to cope their life etc. Quit to worship the bible... Nobody stops them if they want to visit church once a week but not worship the bible EVERYDAY. They learn to positive themselves and do something with real life... Of course we told them that God & Jesus are in our heart but it doesn't mean that we have to worship the bible to grateful the God & Jesus for what they did to us. We know God & Jesus want us to take care of ourselves. It's NO selfish what the Christians claimed in several threads.

 

[Reba]

I'm neutral to any religions and know that it's human authors who wrote the kind of bibles.

Stating that you "know that it's human authors who wrote the kind of bibles" is not being "neutral" to religion. You have made a decision and taken a stand about Biblical Christianity by your statement. That is not neutrality.

I debated with Christians in any threads here. They claimed that a person who have good self-esteem and positive their life is selfish because a person think her/himself, not thought about God/Jesus & no grateful what God created us... etc.

Christians who trust God's control have very positive outlooks on life. We are very thankful to God for His salvation and blessings.

I disagreed & tried to convince them that God/Jesus would not want us to worship them but want us to cope our family & life with our strength.

How can you, a human, know more about what God wants than God Himself? God does want us to worship Him, and cope with life thru His strength, not our own.

Psalm 99
1 The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved. 2 The LORD is great in Zion; and he is high above all the people. 3 Let them praise thy great and terrible name; for it is holy. 4 The king's strength also loveth judgment; thou dost establish equity, thou executest judgment and righteousness in Jacob. 5 Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy.
... 9 Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

Matthew 4
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Revelation 14
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Philippians 4
13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

II Corinthians 12
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

...Quit to worship the bible... Nobody stops them if they want to visit church once a week but not worship the bible EVERYDAY.

Do you mean that Christians don't freedom to worship in Germany?

They learn to positive themselves and do something with real life...

Jesus is real life. Life without Jesus is NOT real.

John 14
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Of course we told them that God & Jesus are in our heart...

What does that mean? How can you have Jesus in your heart if you don't trust Him?

... but it doesn't mean that we have to worship the bible to grateful the God & Jesus for what they did to us.

You don't think it's necessary to thank God for giving you life? A thankful heart wants to thank the giver.

We know God & Jesus want us to take care of ourselves.

What vese is that?

 

[VamPyroX]

I don't understand how a person could care for everyone, love everyone, be kind to everyone, be the person everyone loves, and still not be accepted to heaven if he or she has not been forgiven.

 

[XBGMER]

How can you, a human, know more about what God wants than God Himself? God does want us to worship Him, and cope with life thru His strength, not our own.

Why you expect me, Liebling)) and others worship Jesus and God only? Did you tell the real life animals, please bow to GOD? Did you tell the real life-mental retarded people/ blinded people's eyes, please bow to worship Jesus Christ and GOD?

In slavery time, Did you tell the real life-black slaves, please bow to worship Jesus Christ and GOD??

Jesus is real life. Life without Jesus is NOT real.

Spirit is not REAL period! Jesus was man in the real LIFE of Flesh and Blood himself among people, was real man.. He is like me as you see me living in form of flesh and blood within his words i speaking you are breath and seeing..

Honestly, I really admire Liebling for who she is.. She is most shinning member of AD here. Therefore, She is the real-life the way she is.

 

[mame]

hmmm... well Dog is God spelled backwards. perhaps its a sign.

Rockdrummer that is quite interesting.
Now let read Mark7:24-30

In this chapter there was a syrophhoenician woman who has a daughter posessed by a demon and wanted the demon cast out by Jesus.

Jesus told the woman in verse 27 "...First let the children be satisfied, for it is not good to take the childrrens breaad and throw it to the little dogs."

In verse 28 the woman responded..." Yes, Lord, but even the little dogs under the table eat of the little children's crumbs."

One thing is that in the eyes of God we are like dogs having no right whatsoever to God and His inheritance, but praise the Lord!!! Jesus has reverse the trend!

Now dogs are becoming God! in life and nature but not in the Godhead.

1 John 3:2 " Beloved, now we are the children of God, and it has not yet been manifested what we will be. We know that if He is manifested, we will be like Him because we will see Him even as He is."

Those who believe in Jesus are born of God. Wow! they become gods

John 1:12 " Says as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God..."!

John3:6 says " that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit."

Johnn 4:24 Says" God is Spirit.."

The children of God are Gods in life and nature but not in the Godhead because the children cannot be worshiped as God is only the object of worship.

Yes everyone who is "God-backward" is a dog, but praise God He has made a way to reverse this terrible situation. This way is Jesus Christ!

 

[web730]

I don't understand how a person could care for everyone, love everyone, be kind to everyone, be the person everyone loves, and still not be accepted to heaven if he or she has not been forgiven.

A good question... many have thought of that. It would be a big puzzle unless you understand what the Bible really says by studying and listening. But also to believe.

Once anyone dies not believing Jesus and asking Him to save him/her self to be forgiven of their sins before his/her death, then he/she cannot face God because where He lives it's 100% Holy there.

So since her/his sins are still within (didn't remove by Jesus), therefore he/she cannot exists where Heavens is. Must have sins removed first before entering the Heavens where God, Jesus, angels, and saints exists. Holy and Evil doesn't mix.

So anybody who had been real nice to everybody but still tainted with sins therefore would be still accountable for the God's judgment. That's where and why Jesus is the KEY to enter the Heavens... so that's the BIG REASON why Bible is made for everyone to learn about Jesus in order to have their chance to be saved.

 

[Maria]

Without Jesus Christ
Without an eternal life.........

 

[Kalista]

I advise you to read a book, " Hello from Heaven". First of all, I was very angry with god took my husband away from me and two sons. I read the Widow forms and they mentioned about that book. I read some of those, wow it is very interesting.

I am not familiar about the bible. Andrew is very faithful with god, he wear a wood cross necklace since he had his heart attack. It bother me alot but I realize that he knew, he will be going to the heaven real soon. We never discuss about death, etc.. He only talked about want to bury next to his favorite grandfather in NJ and want the New England Patroit on his coffin. I do respect his wishes.

It is very difficult for me to concentration on the bible when Andrew is not around with me. I miss him terrible.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Stating that you "know that it's human authors who wrote the kind of bibles" is not being "neutral" to religion. You have made a decision and taken a stand about Biblical Christianity by your statement. That is not neutrality.

Yes I'm neutral to ANY religions. What I said that the human authors wrote the kind of bibles is a fact, not opinion, negative or whatever.

Christians who trust God's control have very positive outlooks on life. We are very thankful to God for His salvation and blessings.

Look at kind of world what we have.

God do nothing for us but we acheive to cope our own life.

Yes we know and accept where we come from and thank God for that. We are grateful what we are but we don't have to worship God all the time for "thankful". God did nothing for us but we doing ourselves with our strength because we want it.

How can you, a human, know more about what God wants than God Himself? God does want us to worship Him, and cope with life thru His strength, not our own.

As you said that we cope with life thru God's strength, not our own. Do you mean that the people kill each other, commit crimes, etc. have also God's strength, too? Some priests have sex with child? What about that?

Jesus gave people the strength after his death that the people should cope their own life themselves to understand what wrong or right. That's how we learn positive or negative things from our parents then parents learn from their parents... on.....

Do you mean that Christians don't freedom to worship in Germany?

Did I say this? Please re-read my last post. I said that some Christians, I met at spa realized that they need the help to develop their self-esteem. I find its extreme to worship the bible all the time and everyday and then keep on say that "what the bible says you are wrong, what the bible says, what the bible say etc. etc." I do read the bible stories time to time... It's okay if the people want to go to Church. It's their decision. Its about real life, we have to acheive to cope and support. Look at kind of world.... we do something ourselves because God do nothing.

Jesus is real life. Life without Jesus is NOT real.

We people have real life as Jesus as well.

What does that mean? How can you have Jesus in your heart if you don't trust Him?

Who says that I don't trust God & Jesus?

I learn to know and accept where we come from.

You don't think it's necessary to thank God for giving you life? A thankful heart wants to thank the giver.

God & Jesus know that we accept them - it doesn't mean that we must worship them all the time to thank them. They understand that we have our own life, we worry about and cope with.

What vese is that?

which? I am not sure because there're many different bibles.

All what I learn to understand that they gave us the strength to acheive our life. This is so.