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hoichi said:
rather then actively work to DENY the very language Deaf can perceive and acquire right away from birth, instead help us get sign into the hands and heart of every born Deaf
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here is your proof how you don't listen - I just stated I do NOT oppose both ASL nor Deaf culture.
On the contrary, I promote BOTH ASL, Deaf and CI.


Fuzzy
 
C-NICE said:
To try an answer at least one of your questions. The only way to achieve what you propose is to get the FDA & WHO to collectively outlaw CIs worldwide for babies. Then after that we can go over to MIT and solve that cold fusion thing for them.
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:bowlol:
 
C-NICE said:
To try an answer at least one of your questions. The only way to achieve what you propose is to get the FDA & WHO to collectively outlaw CIs worldwide for babies. Then after that we can go over to MIT and solve that cold fusion thing for them.
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not at all.
i asked you hwo would you feel if multi nationals and the combined system kept jewish kids away from jewish kids so that they "would not revert back to being jew" or if they did that to blacks? or to natives?

im asking you to help us stop the very entities you support DENYING sign language to Deaf babies and help us stop them keeping Deaf children away form other Deaf children so that they "do not revert back to being Deaf"


ive actually been to MIT more then once..not as a student just the usual run of the mill trouble maker....had great times there. my last time there was a week before 911
trust me here im not anti technology.

you push that schtick far with me...

so pls lets sticl to the actual statements and questions i ask you..
im sure since you're a teacher you can appreciate why sticking to actual statements made and questions asked cna be an asset in furthering a discussion and understanding
 
Audiofuzzy said:
here is your proof how you don't listen - I just stated I do NOT oppose both ASL nor Deaf culture.
On the contrary, I promote BOTH ASL, Deaf and CI.


Fuzzy
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yes i'm well aware of that. but you are not a professional in the combined system that DENIES sign language to Deaf babies and children.

and if you are true to your words then why not help us stop them doing the very thing you claim you oppose?

the very entities of the combined system which is CI and which you support, by post and loot, THEY DENY sign language to Deaf babies and children. THEY by policy and action keep Deaf children away from other Deaf children...

you state you oppose this.
then great.
help us stop them...
pls back your words up...it matters.

we actually agree.

so help us stop them.
 
My meaning is the genie is out of the box. Neural implants are here to stay like the CI. Thanks to such research the foundation was laid for retinal implants for the blind, pacemakers for Parkinson potion & many more theoretical in the pipeline. ASL is fine for communicated with fellow deaf people. Hearies are anther story. Are these kids going to have a sign conversation with the bank teller, the kid delivering take or most importantly their future boss.
 
C-NICE said:
My meaning is the genie is out of the box. Neural implants are here to stay like the CI. Thanks to such research the foundation was laid for retinal implants for the blind, pacemakers for Parkinson potion & many more theoretical in the pipeline. ASL is fine for communicated with fellow deaf people. Hearies are anther story. Are these kids going to have a sign conversation with the bank teller, the kid delivering take or most importantly their future boss.
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i have never stated otherwise regarding the technology
you posting red hearings, while refusing to answer valid questions.

so pls can you read and actually answer the very questions i asked you.
pls quote me if you must..

how would you feel if organizations and multinational kept jewish kids away from other jewish kids so that they "do not revert back to being jew?"
how about native? how about black? how about gays?
 
Multinationals have no control over parents after the get their kids home after being implanted. Those parents can still teach their kids to sign. What you are stating is that Cochlear Corps, Med-El & Advanced Bionics have something against deaf culture. That is similar thinking that led to that piece of trash the protocol of you know what published (Does not deserve it's full name used). Since you reference Jewish Children.
 
May I ask you something, H? are deaf for 30 years or you are 30 years old?
 
C-NICE said:
Multinationals have no control over parents after the get their kids home after being implanted. Those parents can still teach their kids to sign. What you are stating is that Cochlear Corps, Med-El & Advanced Bionics have something against deaf culture. That is similar thinking that led to that piece of trash the protocol of you know what published (Does not deserve it's full name used). Since you reference Jewish Children.
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it is termed the combined system, the multi-nationals are heavily invested stakeholders and viz a viz in the very orgs that by policy and action and professional apparatuses of CI/AO/AVT/LSL/AGB DENY sign language to Deaf babies sand children and keep Deaf away children away from other Deaf children so that they "do not revert back to being Deaf"

if you or audio fuzzy have in your possession evidence that shows they do not.

nows the time.

so pls...
by all means..

again pls qoute my actual statement and words, in regards to answering my posts. there is no need for slander or spreading of falsehoods. engage my actual position which can be done using my very words thank you.

so how would you feel if multi-nationals and orgs stake holding in them and vise versa kept jewish children away from other jewish children so that they "do not revert back to being jew?"

how about natives? how about blacks? how about gays?

again i ask you if you have evidence that shows they do NOT keep Deaf children away from other Deaf children and that they DO NOT DENY sign language to Deaf babies and children


nows the time...
so school me

pls
 
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Audiofuzzy said:
May I ask you something, H? are deaf for 30 years or you are 30 years old?
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for some one who refuses to answer any of my questions
you want me to answer yours?

i will after all i'm very sincere in this.

ive been Deaf for 30 years. i got lucky and went Deafie at 9
 
Do you have some kind of secret memo from their CEOs? They market their product period. You seem to have s view that CIs provide no benefit. If they did not they would not exist.
 
hoichi said:
for some one who refuses to answer any of my questions
you want me to answer yours?

i will after all i'm very sincere in this.

ive been Deaf for 30 years. i got lucky and went Deafie at 9
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So you are 39?

Fuzzy
 
C-NICE said:
Do you have some kind of secret memo from their CEOs? They market their product period. You seem to have s view that CIs provide no benefit. If they did not they would not exist.
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its considered rude and bad form to ask someone questions expecting a sincere answer, when YOU refuse to answer very specific pointed questions from them.

just some friendly advice to further a sincere discussion.


i have NEVER claimed they provide no benefits.
can you pls as hard as you may find it, pls qoute my actual words and statements?
thank you.

as for the secrets no their no secrets in this.. its all public knowledge you can find the actual data if you were sincere..the very fact you deny it even though you do not know only shows your "true believer" status..

we have the of statements, from the very entities that do it. we have policy papers, we have actual studies done by them to see how many of them actually do it, they don't make a secret for it. they are proud of it, and do not even hide the fact
further and more
WE have people on this forum, here with you that have experienced the very behaviour..


if you were sincere pls go educate yourself and you will soon find all sorts of valid re data and documentation in regards to what i've been stating..

so here you are Denying something yet you by your own admission have no idea if they do or not..

alright..
best thing for you to do is educate yourself then..
now to my question to you.

so
how would you feel if orgs and mult-nationals did this very behaviour to natives? to jews? to blacks? to gays? kept native kids way form other native kids so that they "do not revert back to being natives"
if they kept gays children away from gay children so that "they do not revert back to being gay?'

is that something you would support?

im asking you a very specific question regarding very specific behaviours.
be sincere enough to answer it.
 
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Audiofuzzy said:
So you are 39?

Fuzzy
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look to be honest i stopped counting at 40...prob 41 or something...who's counting..
so yeah i'm close to it..
give or take
'-)

can you pls answer my question i asked you?
its a discussion i wont bite
 
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