Meth Labs

Foxrac said:
I ask TXGolfer to cite the source, however he said it was guess.
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so is yours. you don't have any source to say otherwise.
 
Foxrac said:
You have choice: don't come or correct by yourself with own post.

I'm disappointed that my thread went trashed because of you and TXGolfer.
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Hey! That is "Name calling"

And we didn't trash a thread. We are discussing the accuracy of the article.
 
Jiro said:
incorrect. the reason why this thread has not gone to the way you want is because you're being very stubborn and close-minded.

I'm really surprised that you can't even see a simple error with your understanding of this subject. You need to calm down and stop being stubborn. go back to beginning and read our posts very carefully and calmly. maybe discuss about it with your friends.
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Not really, I'm very open to discussion but only problem - you and TXGolfer were discuss more rudely and I wasn't nice to anyone who being rude. TXGolfer said he didn't want to see the map and I felt that he was rude and disrespect, however he won't if be include a lot of detail.

I'm perfectly understand about map is only reported by local authorities and I just shared with anyone who interested to check. If you don't agree with article so feel free to post without attacking me. Tell to CNN to correct the error and I'm only posted whole article without modification, so I'm not interested to modify the title, except for long title that exceed the character limit in forum title.

I'm not aware of all errors.

I'm sorry that you have bitter with me.
 
Jiro said:
so is yours. you don't have any source to say otherwise.
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I don't have any source about meth labs aren't reported, so no one make it.

In my county, there are many local law enforcement roaming around area, especially city and county police.
 
Foxrac said:
TXGolfer said he didn't want to see the map and I felt that he was rude and disrespect, however he won't if be include a lot of detail.
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Incorrect. I said "Don't even have to look"
 
Foxrac said:
Not really, I'm very open to discussion but only problem - you and TXGolfer were discuss more rudely and I wasn't nice to anyone who being rude. TXGolfer said he didn't want to see the map and I felt that he was rude and disrespect, however he won't if be include a lot of detail.

I'm perfectly understand about map is only reported by local authorities and I just shared with anyone who interested to check. If you don't agree with article so feel free to post without attacking me. Tell to CNN to correct the error and I'm only posted whole article without modification, so I'm not interested to modify the title, except for long title that exceed the character limit in forum title.

I'm not aware of all errors.

I'm sorry that you have bitter with me.
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no... no.... no.....

I am telling you that you are misunderstanding the article/map because the map is inaccurate and incomplete but you refused to listen.
 
Foxrac said:
I don't have any source about meth labs aren't reported, so no one make it.

In my county, there are many local law enforcement roaming around area, especially city and county police.
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doesn't matter. they don't know till later. meth lab only gets busted once somebody smells it and reports it.

by the time a meth lab gets busted... it's already too late. many times - they move on and set up another one. it's not very hard to set up a meth lab. just an hour at home depot and shop rite.... then they have all the stuff they need to make a meth lab. and also they can easily get several people to make a run at CVS or Duane Reade to collect OTC medications.

it's been a trend so far that meth/drug labs are now in nice suburb because it's nice and quiet and people mind their own business. DEA/cops don't pay attention to that area.
 
Foxrac said:
What is different between assumption and guess?
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Depends on how they are used. Sometimes they are synonymous. But in this case the key word was "probably" meaning it is more speculative. Whereas an "assumption" Is more taking as granted. The key difference was the use of "probably"
 
Foxrac said:
What is different between assumption and guess?
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to be more specific - he said "an educated guess".

-assumption means you expected something because you took it for granted
-guess means a speculation based on life experience, news, intuition, etc.

ie. you assumed there's no meth lab in your county because your area is nice and lovely. that's an assumption.

ie. TXGolfer made an educated guess that the reported meth labs in map represents only less than 1% based on life experience, intuition, etc.
 
Frisky Feline said:
my friend used to be addicted to METH. my friend is all clean now.
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Yeah, I used to know a hearing Jew guy who was a meth addict from California ages ago.

Puck came to NOVA and learned ASL through college class, and attended 'official' deaf club at Starbucks. Apparently, he was on a run from laws in CA.

The psychological damages appear to be obvious... When he was signing, his main symptom seem to have some kind of grammar transiency problem. I felt bad for him, as his behavior caused some uncomfortable presence by friends.

Dunno what happened to him, but pretty sure he's clean for years before coming to NOVA. The mental damages seem to be permanent.
 
Jiro said:
for meth lab... very simple. the smell. but if it got to the point where the odor is so strong... that's a bomb waiting to explode. that's why a mobile home is a popular choice for meth lab. just park somewhere far in middle of nowhere and you're good. but that is difficult to do in metropolitan area so they camp out in abandoned warehouse or apartment.
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What if the person like myself cannot smell? :hmm:
 
Jiro said:
doesn't matter. they don't know till later. meth lab only gets busted once somebody smells it and reports it.

by the time a meth lab gets busted... it's already too late. many times - they move on and set up another one. it's not very hard to set up a meth lab. just an hour at home depot and shop rite.... then they have all the stuff they need to make a meth lab. and also they can easily get several people to make a run at CVS or Duane Reade to collect OTC medications.

it's been a trend so far that meth/drug labs are now in nice suburb because it's nice and quiet and people mind their own business. DEA/cops don't pay attention to that area.
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Our law enforcement officers are ready to bust and they have resource but they haven't find any houses that suspicious to be meth labs, specifically in our city limit.

The meth makers prefer to make meth in rural area and middle of nowhere. It will come with some time to get busted and I don't have any respect for meth makers.
 
Jiro said:
no... no.... no.....

I am telling you that you are misunderstanding the article/map because the map is inaccurate and incomplete but you refused to listen.
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If I see post as rude so I usually not listen, so you don't include any reason why I'm incorrect. That leave me with no idea about what are you saying about incorrect.
 
Royale said:
What if the person like myself cannot smell? :hmm:
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well - if you can smell a very foul garbage... then you can definitely smell a meth lab. it's a suffocating smell... which is why a cook wears gas mask. but here's a thing... the more foul a meth lab smells... the more dangerous it is and you must run away as fast as you can because it's just waiting to explode.

Illinois Attorney General - Recognizing a Meth Lab from the Outside
Recognizing a Structure Containing a Meth Lab -- From the OUTSIDE

A house or other structure containing a meth lab will display “telltale signs” of meth production. Some of these signs concern the appearance of the structure itself, while others concern the behavior of the occupants. It is important to learn to recognize these "telltale signs" and know what to do if you see them.


WHAT TO LOOK FOR – APPEARANCE OF THE STRUCTURE

A house or other structure containing a meth lab usually has one or more of the following characteristics:

UNUSUAL ODORS – Making meth produces powerful odors that may smell like ammonia or ether. These odors have been compared to the smell of cat urine or rotten eggs.

COVERED WINDOWS – Meth makers often blacken or cover windows to prevent outsiders from seeing in.

STRANGE VENTILATION – Meth makers often employ unusual ventilation practices to rid themselves of toxic fumes produced by the meth-making process. They may open windows on cold days or at other seemingly inappropriate times, and they may set up fans, furnace blowers, and other unusual ventilation systems.

ELABORATE SECURITY – Meth makers often set up elaborate security measures, including, for example, "Keep Out" signs, guard dogs, video cameras, or baby monitors placed outside to warn of persons approaching the premises.

DEAD VEGETATION – Meth makers sometimes dump toxic substances in their yards, leaving burn pits, "dead spots" in the grass or vegetation, or other evidence of chemical dumping.

EXCESSIVE OR UNUSUAL TRASH – Meth makers produce large quantities of unusual waste that may contain, for example:

packaging from cold tablets

lithium batteries that have been torn apart

used coffee filters with colored stains or powdery residue

empty containers – often with puncture holes – of antifreeze, white gas, ether, starting fluids, Freon, lye, drain opener, paint thinner, acetone, alcohol, or other chemicals

plastic soda bottles with holes near the top, often with tubes coming out of the holes

plastic or rubber hoses, duct tape, rubber gloves, or respiratory masks.


WHAT TO LOOK FOR – BEHAVIOR OF THE OCCUPANTS

Some "telltale signs" of a house containing a meth lab relate not to the appearance of the structure but rather to the behavior of its occupants. You should look for:

PARANOID BEHAVIOR – Meth makers tend to act in a manner that is extremely paranoid and secretive. For example, they may monitor passing cars, show great suspicion toward strangers, and – as noted above – construct elaborate security systems around their homes.

STAYING INSIDE – Residents of houses containing meth labs may remain inside their homes for extended periods of time. Many meth addicts and meth makers are not only paranoid and secretive, but also unemployed.

SMOKING OUTSIDE – By the same token, residents of houses and other structures containing meth labs often go outside to smoke. They do this to avoid igniting a fire or explosion when matches, lighters, or cigarettes come into contact with the highly combustible chemicals and fumes found in a meth lab.

FREQUENT VISITORS – Although residents of a house or other structure containing a meth lab may stay in or near their homes, they often receive a large number of visitors, especially at night. These visitors may be bringing supplies, taking away meth, using meth, hanging out, or any combination of these activities.

MOBILE GARBAGE – To avoid detection of their illegal activities, meth makers may burn their trash, place it in the trash collection area of another house or building, or cart it away and dump it elsewhere.



WHAT TO DO

STAY CALM – Keep your distance and never take matters into your own hands.

PROTECT YOURSELF – Do not approach the structure or confront its occupants. Both meth labs and meth users are extremely dangerous and unpredictable. Keep yourself and your family safe, and let law enforcement authorities do their job!

PROTECT OTHERS – Alert any innocent bystanders who may be in imminent danger, such as children playing in the front yard of a home you believe may contain a meth lab.

ALERT LAW ENFORCEMENT – Alert local law enforcement authorities without delay.
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Foxrac said:
Our law enforcement officers are ready to bust and they have resource but they haven't find any houses that suspicious to be meth labs, specifically in our city limit.
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unfortunately too slow and too late.

Foxrac said:
The meth makers prefer to make meth in rural area and middle of nowhere. It will come with some time to get busted and I don't have any respect for meth makers.
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that's an assumption :lol:

and that's not a case in metropolitan area like LA/NYC. that's why they set up a meth lab in ghetto building or abandoned house. by the time somebody gets suspicious about it.... then they abandon it and move on to set up another meth lab.
 
Foxrac said:
Our law enforcement officers are ready to bust and they have resource but they haven't find any houses that suspicious to be meth labs, specifically in our city limit.

The meth makers prefer to make meth in rural area and middle of nowhere. It will come with some time to get busted and I don't have any respect for meth makers.
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Ditto...

Mobile meth lab found in van parked at Wal-Mart... as officials warn meth use is on the rise in cities and suburbs

Police in eastern Pennsylvania discovered a mobile meth lab in a van that was parked at Wal-Mart after the vehicle was struck by a hit-and-run driver.
Officers say Felix Ferrer, 39, was sleeping in the van in the parking lot of the store in Saint Clair, Pennsylvania, while the drugs were cooking.
He was busted when police noticed the distinctive smell of methamphetamine wafting from his vehicle after they arrived to investigate the crash.

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Incidents like this are becoming more common, as the drug that has ravaged rural America is becoming more and more prevalent in large cities and the suburbs, authorities warn.


Read more @ Mobile meth lab found in van parked at Wal-Mart... as officials warn meth use is on the rise in cities and suburbs | Mail Online
 
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