Connecticut school massacre

AdamFencepost said:
First off, none of the children in China died from the attack. Some were quickly released from the hospital.

We can expect more and more lethal hand-held weapons in the US in the future.

Society is indeed the problem. Doing nothing is not the answer.
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We did make some change after school shooting occurred, so after Columbine High School shooting, more schools adopted the clear and mesh backpacks, keep door locked, strict hall check, security camera, police officers roam around school, metal detector, etc.

In inner city school, if you go out to hall alone without pass so you will be arrested and detain to juvenile center (if you are under 18).
 
diehardbiker said:
Who said doing nothing is the answer?

The problem is how we raise our society, after series of education shift, discipline shifts since 1970 seems to have negative consequences and apparently got worse. School seems no longer teaches values, and use harsh disciplines were history. Our schools are actually falling apart, and none of them really prepares global competitions. Too many spoiled lazy scumbags out there and nothing is done. That's the root problems that we have right now.
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Oh really, there are plenty of successful, good schools in US, but depend on districts.
 
I have a first grader and I just hugged him extra hard yesterday and today. I am at loss for words. All first graders?
 
Can they spank mischievous asses? It's illegal now, since 1970's

Success lifetime begins with teacher and parents. If they fail to discipline kids, its over.

Foxrac said:
Oh really, there are plenty of successful, good schools in US, but depend on districts.
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We stand apart in the world in the number of guns we have.

We stand apart amongst the wealthier nations with a phenomenal gun death murder rate.

Switzerland was used as an example: Switzerland citizens have 1/2 the guns as the US. 88/100 citizens to 45/100 citizens.
 
diehardbiker said:
Can they spank mischievous asses? It's illegal now, since 1970's

Success lifetime begins with teacher and parents. If they fail to discipline kids, its over.
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Spanking in schools are still LEGAL in some states.
School corporal punishment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Due to numerous lawsuits by parents so most schools abandoned the corporal punishment today, but if schools have corporal punishment as option so they need approval from parents. It means you have to sign the form that you will not sue the school, for example.

There are plenty of punishments, especially community service so make work outside or in the school.

My point - there are still great schools in US.
 
Also, the corporal punishment is illegal in Sweden but they are very, very good country with great schools.

So, the corporal punishment doesn't have much influence on schools.
 
ambrosia said:
I was reading about the history of school shootings. The first mass shooting by student, most of the shooting were actually by teachers, or lovers of the teachers, anyway it was in 1974......way before violent video games. That is not the cause, and is such a cop out.

Here's the thing, some people are crazy, or have in them the capacity to snap. That is the common denominator, not the methods of their destruction, but their state of minds. That is why we cannot predict or prevent occurrences like this. There will always be crazy people, and they can always cause chaos.
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Correct me if I am wrong, wasn't the first school massarce the Bath School Massarce in the 1920s? The worse to this day?

My apologies..u were referring mass shootings by students.

I see in another post you brought up the 1927 massarce.
 
AdamFencepost said:
We might also reinstate the federal assault weapons ban that this country had between 1994 and 2004.

It prohibited the manufacturing of certain semi-automatic weapons for civilian use.
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So, we go out and collect the ones that are out there, purchased legally? Do you think everyone would cooperate?
 
That was not what was done in 1994. Those guns were not seized by anyone.

It is said that no one is convinced by arguments they are only convinced by observation.

Sweden has been used as an example of a country with good schools. Corporeal punishment (paddling) by school personnel is only permitted in Czech Republic and France – as well as Australia and Iraq (link). That is the US group. The rest of Europe along with Japan do not have corporeal punishment.
 
My sister had been spanked by my father so many times when she was teenager, so her butt was bruise and CPS told my parent that they can take my sister away if my parent keep spanking with bruised butt so they no longer to spank anymore, they did tried ground, loss of privilege (took TV, computer, PS2) away so she ran away. She had been in juvenile center so few times for being drunk/underage drink in public, naked in public and runaway.

The spanking don't work for some children, even bootcamp won't work either.
 
ambrosia said:
Nope, not a gun owner, don't want to be a gun owner. I'm saying crazy people will do crazy shit, it doesn't matter if they have gun or not. The gun is not the problem, the people are the problem. That's what I've said, in 2 previous posts, no where did I say everyone should have a gun. In fact I said you need to separate incidences like this and "gun violence". You don't have to be a gun fanatic to see that the gun isn't not the source of the problem. In fact I pointed out another incident that occurred at a scholl yesterday. In China a man slashed 22 kids with a knife. No gun.
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I don't think people are true source of the problem. Maniacs and psychos exist in every state, as well as country. It's not USA only. Yeah, we can't predict unpredictable people, but they are here to stay and not going anywhere soon unless we turn into police states and institutionalize all of them. That has huge policy implications for finding methods to 'classify' who is mentally ill and who is not by relying on fMRI/brain scans and whatnot. "This dude's brain waves moves different from the normal guy therefore we should lock him up." Imagine if they start brain scans on infant and baby children to see who is mentally ill.

Furthermore, we don't witness frequent mass shootings or rampages (barring some exceptions) out in other countries, but you have to admit it is frequent here. Even gangs don't really exist in European nations, and their gang's level of violence are nowhere close to ours.

Some believe it's due to the gun bans and dictatorship, whatnot that these societies have that reduce their murder rates. I don't think it's the guns, people will obtain them if they really desire one. I think the difference between them and us is that other first-world countries, for example Canada, UK or France or Germany; they don't share same 'cultural' viewpoints as we do.

We see patriotism in freedom, we believe in freedom of gun ownership to protect/defend ourselves here. Over there they have no such belief. I think they leave it to law enforcement and don't embrace the idea of "If I have a gun, I will protect my house and family." = this causes less reliance on needing guns = the end result is a big cultural difference.
 
I am a product of the American frontier. My family was once on the eastern seaboard. The last ones left in the early 1800's. They stayed right on the frontier right across North America.

They were not "49'ers." They were farmers. My mother's family arrived here in the 19th century because they could claim a homestead. After the old folks passed away, they moved to what had been the gold country of California. I was born on the Pacific coast and grew up in Oregon not more than 50 miles from the western-most point in the 48 states.

A product of the frontier culture, I am of the backwash generation. Nearly 50 years ago, I moved here - the furthest east in the US that I've ever lived and within just a few miles of my great grandparent's homestead.

You bet we talked about Alaska and Australia but we ended up in the "empty quarter." The fly-over zone of the West. I am hearing "cowboy" talk from people in New Jersey. It is nothing new to me. In fact, I was once in charge of 30+ first-calf heifers. (I got all those calves with only 1 loss.)

My family wasn't here because they wanted to shoot people. They were looking for opportunity for the most part and to find that, they felt they had to move away from "the establishment." No, they didn't have much need for the government.

Guns were in my home always while I was a young person. Those guns and the others here are not going away. The ones that were used 60 years ago could be used today.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that I am giving you all of this information about NOT allowing the sale of so many guns? That there is no need for more than 300 million guns in the US? Doesn't it strike you as odd that an answer to the violence that was brought to the school in Connecticut is to paddle kids?

I won't be around a whole lot longer. These children who survived that shooting should be around for another 70-80 years. They will bring change like I have never seen in my lifetime. I hope and trust that it will be peaceful change.
 
naisho said:
Furthermore, we don't witness frequent mass shootings or rampages (barring some exceptions) out in other countries, but you have to admit it is frequent here. Even gangs don't really exist in European nations, and their gang's level of violence are nowhere close to ours.

Some believe it's due to the gun bans and dictatorship, whatnot that these societies have that reduce their murder rates. I don't think it's the guns, people will obtain them if they really desire one. I think the difference between them and us is that other first-world countries, for example Canada, UK or France or Germany; they don't share same 'cultural' viewpoints as we do.

We see patriotism in freedom, we believe in freedom of gun ownership to protect/defend ourselves here. Over there they have no such belief. I think they leave it to law enforcement and don't embrace the idea of "If I have a gun, I will protect my house and family." = this causes less reliance on needing guns = the end result is a big cultural difference.
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That's true that other countries don't have a Constitution, Second Amendment like ours. Imagine if there was no Second Amendment here in America, there would be no NRA and crime would be much lower like other countries.
 
That's too far, not what I'm refer to


Foxrac said:
My sister had been spanked by my father so many times when she was teenager, so her butt was bruise and CPS told my parent that they can take my sister away if my parent keep spanking with bruised butt so they no longer to spank anymore, they did tried ground, loss of privilege (took TV, computer, PS2) away so she ran away. She had been in juvenile center so few times for being drunk/underage drink in public, naked in public and runaway.

The spanking don't work for some children, even bootcamp won't work either.
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Not really, Sweden requires everybody training in military and receives rifle to take home and keep it, crime? Lower than here, it's fact.

Uk has already banned guns murder still high and worse anyway.


CrazyPaul said:
That's true that other countries don't have a Constitution, Second Amendment like ours. Imagine if there was no Second Amendment here in America, there would be no NRA and crime would be much lower like other countries.
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And did u know that many countries with dictarship were afraid to start war with us, knowing guns is everywhere, invaded the countries with least amt of arms, just like hitter planned.
 
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