Exotic Wild Animal Escaped from Ohio Farm

[Buffalo]

tranq does not work well in this case. it has to be right dosage for certain species and everybody does not have tranq guns. and 50 different animals are on the loose. they are completely unprepared for "non-lethal" jungle hunting.

Another good reason for killing those poor animals.

 

[Jiro]

Another good reason for killing those poor animals.

I prefer to say - "another good reason to review our existing laws and to improve our system"

From what I read - in Ohio... you pretty much can just apply for one permit and then it's free-for-all.... meaning - you can get any exotic animal you want and as many as you want.

how ghastly....

 

[Dixie]

I agree with the freedom of our current system, and some of what Jiro explained too.

It shouldn't be completely illegal to own special animals that aren't native to the area. I wouldn't want anyone to be able to get anything, but I do think there should be some checks and balances in order to own one.

Reason for this is because of a few:

- Less regulation and governmental control, but I'd like for there to be a limit or hurdle people have to pass in order to own exotic species. I don't like the idea of an average Joe the weed guy getting a pet crocodile and a Tiger, so I'd think it would be sensible to impose a limit as to who can actually own these pets.

- People with good understanding of animals, universities and research could and continue to also benefit.

- Keeps them out of the zoos. While zoos are not a bad thing, the animal has less freedom than it would under private ownership.

- More human knowledge of these animals you wouldn't get. I've read anecdotes online from people who owned dolphins, monkeys, and they've written and shared their behaviors on forums, blogs and such. It was nice information to know, and I don't think I would have learned such a thing from watching it in the wild (would have taken forever), at the zoo, or reading a book.. they aren't able to tell you everything..

Actually, in a zoo the enclosure is set up to look as close as possible to what their natural environment would be. Plus they are given freedom to move all around the exhibit which also usually has a back 'den' area where the animals can retreat to if they don't want to deal with humans.

In private ownership the animal is often kept in a small pen that looks nothing like their natural environment. Think - an african lion is kept in 20x20x10 enclosure with cement flooring, chainlink fencing, along with an electrical fence, part of the enclosure may or may not have shelter for the animal to get out of the weather. The lion is fed a bag of dog food every other day which is inadequate nutrition for a full-grown lion.

A few years ago some of my aunt's neighbors had to tigers as pets. Their housing conditions were deplorable at best. They lived behind a barb-wire enclosure that was 10x40x10. To keep the tigers from going through the barbwire, they installed a cattle electric fence all the way around the enclosure. Their shelter was a tree that happened to hang over their enclosure. Their flooring was a combination of dirt, feces, and bags of various dog foods thrown over the fence to them. I think someone grew concerned for the welfare of the tigers because one week they were there, and the next week they were gone. I was only 9/10 at the time, but looking back, I think someone called PETA/HSUS/ASPCA to have the animals removed for concern of the tigers as well as for public safety. No one knows where they went. Oddly the neighbors moved out not too long after that.

 

[Beach girl]

You seem to live in a very simple world, Jiro. I don't think that's where the rest of us live.

Note this from one of the articles cited:

Mr Thompson, 62, had had repeated run-ins with the law and his neighbours. Lutz said that the sheriff's office had received numerous complaints since 2004 about animals escaping onto neighbours' property. The sheriff's office also said that Thompson had been charged over the years with animal cruelty, animal neglect and allowing animals to roam.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...olice-wrap-hunt-51-animals.html#ixzz1bIQ2yocU

Even after having been charged with animal cruelty and neglect, he still had more than 4 dozen wild animals kept on his property.

 

[Jiro]

You seem to live in a very simple world, Jiro. I don't think that's where the rest of us live.

I live in a realistic world. and I understand that many people don't want to admit a cold harsh truth when they know it. you know how I know it? no answer to my question in Post #39

 

[Beach girl]

The question "How's it going with government?" ?

It's going about how it always goes: some successes, some failures.

In this particular case, I'd say the law enforcement officers (representing local gov't, if you will) did a good job in a horrible situation. I would rather not see such a situation repeated.

 

[DeafTim]

I watched more local news. The owners friend said he assumed financial problems push him over the edge b/c of divorce.

Ohio has a big problem and I dont like it.

 

[Jiro]

The question "How's it going with government?" ?

It's going about how it always goes: some successes, some failures.

In this particular case, I'd say the law enforcement officers (representing local gov't, if you will) did a good job in a horrible situation. I would rather not see such a situation repeated.

I can't believe you call this "some successes, some failures." You just further proved my point in my Post #42. Please don't be ignorant and be realistic.

To me - it's a colossal failure in government's part. and a huge embarrassment. The government FAILED to take action on this that could have prevented this from happening. For decade, the government FAILED to remedy this situation when he was charged with animal cruelties and had dozens of complaints against him.

Some successes, some failures? exactly what are some successes with this incident?

 

[Jiro]

I watched more local news. The owners friend said he assumed financial problems push him over the edge b/c of divorce.

Ohio has a big problem and I dont like it.

I believe he was an animal hoarder and he reached the breaking point when he was being forced to give up some animals.

His behavior and action clearly points to animal hoarding.

 

[naisho]

Actually, in a zoo the enclosure is set up to look as close as possible to what their natural environment would be. Plus they are given freedom to move all around the exhibit which also usually has a back 'den' area where the animals can retreat to if they don't want to deal with humans.

In private ownership the animal is often kept in a small pen that looks nothing like their natural environment. Think - an african lion is kept in 20x20x10 enclosure with cement flooring, chainlink fencing, along with an electrical fence, part of the enclosure may or may not have shelter for the animal to get out of the weather. The lion is fed a bag of dog food every other day which is inadequate nutrition for a full-grown lion.

A few years ago some of my aunt's neighbors had to tigers as pets. Their housing conditions were deplorable at best. They lived behind a barb-wire enclosure that was 10x40x10. To keep the tigers from going through the barbwire, they installed a cattle electric fence all the way around the enclosure. Their shelter was a tree that happened to hang over their enclosure. Their flooring was a combination of dirt, feces, and bags of various dog foods thrown over the fence to them. I think someone grew concerned for the welfare of the tigers because one week they were there, and the next week they were gone. I was only 9/10 at the time, but looking back, I think someone called PETA/HSUS/ASPCA to have the animals removed for concern of the tigers as well as for public safety. No one knows where they went. Oddly the neighbors moved out not too long after that.

Yeah, the poor people who provide poor habitats for them, not good.

But there are wealthy and well-off people who own these pets too, like a guy I read who has a dolphin (or two) in his private area.

Plus they're also paying money to own them, for getting a permit, pet necessities, supplies, they're giving money = giving other people jobs and money to keep the chain going, something the poor can't offer..

 

[DeafTim]

I believe he was an animal hoarder and he reached the breaking point when he was being forced to give up some animals.

His behavior and action clearly points to animal hoarding.

Hey, you're right. He had way too many animals. It's pathetic,really.

 

[Beach girl]

I can't believe you call this "some successes, some failures." You just further proved my point in my Post #42. Please don't be ignorant and be realistic.

To me - it's a colossal failure in government's part. and a huge embarrassment. The government FAILED to take action on this that could have prevented this from happening. For decade, the government FAILED to remedy this situation when he was charged with animal cruelties and had dozens of complaints against him.

Some successes, some failures? exactly what are some successes with this incident?

Jiro, make up your mind whether you're talking generally or specifically. When you asked "How's it going with government?," that sounded like a general question. And my answer was meant in that respect.

In this specific situation, the failure is that government allowed wild animals to be kept by this particular individual, even after he was charged (and found guilty? - that part is not clear) with animal cruelty, neglect, and allowing animals to roam.

The success is that the law enforcement officers were able to kill, and in a few cases, capture and save the animals, and that other than the owner, there was no loss of human life.

 

[Jiro]

Hey, you're right. He had way too many animals. It's pathetic,really.

It's abysmal that Ohio government didn't do much about this for decade. And people are demanding for more laws that government wouldn't even bother enforcing it to the end? What's the point?

Money is better put to improve existing system than to create more useless bureaucracy headaches.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro, make up your mind whether you're talking generally or specifically. When you asked "How's it going with government?," that sounded like a general question. And my answer was meant in that respect.

make up my mind? there's no "generally" since there's no federal law nor federal involvement in this. and this thread is about exotic wild animals escaping from Ohio farm and that's Ohio government's responsibility.

In this specific situation, the failure is that government allowed wild animals to be kept by this particular individual, even after he was charged (and found guilty? - that part is not clear) with animal cruelty, neglect, and allowing animals to roam.

The success is that the law enforcement officers were able to kill, and in a few cases, capture and save the animals, and that other than the owner, there was no loss of human life.

I do not consider this end result as "success". It's a tragedy that is easily preventable. Nobody is patting on each other's back for good job on protecting community from wild animals. The only success is if Ohio government gets its acts together to fix its exotic animal law.

Looking at several articles - the community is still shocked about this... not the part where LEO were able to kill most of animals... just the part where they couldn't understand how this was allowed to happened. Massive incompetence on government's part. and we're looking for government to create a solution for this???? Please do not make me laugh.

 

[Chevy57]

Exotic Animal Laws is prohibiting the citizens that live there from keeping these dangerous exotics but former Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland banned people from bringing more exotic animals into Ohio in January, but allowed owners to keep the animals they already had.

Current Gov. John Kasich let the emergency ban expire in April and opted to convene a group to study the issue.

"Around the country, you have a patchwork of state laws where about 21 states have some sort of prohibition on the keeping of exotic animals as pets," Roberts said. "Eight states have a partial ban, where certain species are prohibited, but not others. Thirteen states require permitting or a license scheme, and the other eight states have little or no regulations whatsoever. And Ohio is in the bottom category."

Ohio Has Few Regulations on Exotic Animals - ABC News

I think that Ohio state should be new law for prohibition to keep exotic animals in private farms soon.

 

[Reba]

This reminds me of the woman in Connecticut who owned the chimpanzee that mauled her friend. That poor woman had to get a face transplant, and is permanently blind.

 

[Reba]

In our neighborhood, we're not allowed any animals except fish, birds, cats, and dogs. Even then, there is a limit of two cats/dogs per household.

I wish that I could have an egg-laying hen but it's not allowed.

 

[Babyblue]

I saw an interview on the news last night with Jack Hannah. He was there helping track and shoot the animals. It is so Sad. Jack Hannah said this will haunt him for the rest of his life.
I also saw where they said the Monkey may have been eating by another loose animal. They are confident that their are no more animals on the loose.

I cried when I saw all those beautiful animals laying dead in a row.

 

[Reba]

The story gets weirder.

The news said that the guy shot himself next to a pile of chickens. He wanted his animals to eat him after death. He had big cat teeth marks on his head.

Ugh!

 

[Beach girl]

I saw an interview on the news last night with Jack Hannah. He was there helping track and shoot the animals. It is so Sad. Jack Hannah said this will haunt him for the rest of his life.
I also saw where they said the Monkey may have been eating by another loose animal. They are confident that their are no more animals on the loose.

I cried when I saw all those beautiful animals laying dead in a row.

Me too. Those very graphic pictures in the British paper were just heart-breaking.