Teacher of the Deaf programs

[faire_jour]

Like I wrote earlier, we don't know how much these spoken kids are really picking up in their lessons. I want them to actually learn. If the parents are confidence that their kids can pick up spoken language without a problem, then they should go to a auditory- based deaf school or teachers. but not every spoken language children, even if they seem fine, can do this which is why they need accodamation in the first place. In fact, being visual is probably something they've always done. Unless you are talking about CI children, but I highly doubt their parents want them in deaf school unless their CI failed and need visual languages. so it would be a waste of TOD time to be more Auditory-based type of teachers if their parents won't put them in those type of school in the first place, even if it is auditory-based sharing school with ASL signing kids.

We may not know how much auditory information the kids are picking up, but the teacher should!!! That is why they should have the knowledge and training I am talking about!

I think the misunderstanding between you and I is the term "deaf school". I think you mean ASL-bi-bi deaf schools only. I am talking about ALL teachers of the deaf and ALL schools for deaf students. I am not talking about taking ASL away from the schools were it already is. I am talking about training the teachers who work at or will work at oral schools. Shouldn't they be trained in auditory teaching, since that is who they will work with?

 

[A]

I thought that's what TC is...

Many of my teachers knew very well how much I wasn't picking up. That's why they provided me accomadations, provided me a bodyworn FM system, etc. There was not more they could do. You understand that, don't you? They did everything they could and I've watched how they tried. That's the problem.

Oral school should only hired people who support their method. Not every teachers agree with it.

 

[faire_jour]

I thought that's what TC is...

Many of my teachers knew very well how much I wasn't picking up. That's why they provided me accomadations. There was not more they could do. You understand that, don't you? They did everything they could and I've watch how they tried. That's the problem.

Oral school should only hired people who support their method. Not every teachers agree with it.

The teachers don't have a choice. There are only 12 TOD programs that teach listening and spoken language. There is a need for teachers trained in listening and spoken language (since 90% of deaf kids use it) but schools are not meeting that need.

 

[A]

Those who support it will be happy to get training. You don't need to force it on them.

 

[faire_jour]

Those who support it will be happy to get training. You don't need to force it on them.

Clearly they are taking the jobs, but they are undereducated and trained. I just think that the needs of the children should determine the education and training of the teachers.

 

[A]

I don't think they are undereducated, they are just not specialized in auditory-based teaching. I don't think they are all as what you make them to be anyway. I think some of them are trained to use spoken language and handling hearing aids issues.

 

[WeeBeastie]

Yes, 90% of deaf and hard of hearing students use listening and spoken language for school and communication. My point is that less than 1/5th of their teachers (they are teachers of the deaf, right?) having training, schooling and expertise in that way of teaching and learning.

Actually the trend is turning with the greater push toward mainstreaming. Deaf/HOH students are being taught by mainstream teachers and are being pulled out to work with ToDs on a as needed basis. Some kids get preteaching of vocabulary or concepts, extra support in trouble areas or lessons in Deaf culture/history that is not taught to the hearing kids.

Many kids only see their ToD for up to an hour once a week... or less. In districts where ToDs are scarce, interpreters or paraprofessionals are working above and beyond to cover.

 

[shel90]

Clearly they are taking the jobs, but they are undereducated and trained. I just think that the needs of the children should determine the education and training of the teachers.

TODs are undereducated? Just wanted to make sure I am interpreting this correctly...

 

[faire_jour]

TODs are undereducated? Just wanted to make sure I am interpreting this correctly...

They are undereducated for children who use listening and spoken language. The vast majority of kids use listening and speaking as their mode of communication but a very small minority of teachers have the knowledge to teach those kids.

 

[KristinaB]

TODs are undereducated? Just wanted to make sure I am interpreting this correctly...

Doesn't hardly seem right to me. I know a few TOD's and their problem is that they are over-qualified and over-educated. Could be a geographical thing. I don't know - I guess I'm not up with this since I never needed it for my kids and it wasn't made available to me when I needed it.

 

[flip]

They are undereducated for children who use listening and spoken language. The vast majority of kids use listening and speaking as their mode of communication but a very small minority of teachers have the knowledge to teach those kids.

Another "radical" claim from you.. A different claim would be that the "vast majority" of teachers aren't that crazy. We are talking about enormously resources of time and money spent on making some people uttering some words, that does not raise the GDP of united states. It's papers that show deaf people with fluency in ASL makes more money than those without. Medicore speech and listening just get you that far.

I suggest you talk to AG Bell, and they perhaps will like your idea as a way to raise more money and "awarness" about oralism?

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

They are undereducated for children who use listening and spoken language. The vast majority of kids use listening and speaking as their mode of communication but a very small minority of teachers have the knowledge to teach those kids.

Huh?

Most of the so-called ToD I have met are supporters of oral use in the mainstream...

 

[shel90]

They are undereducated for children who use listening and spoken language. The vast majority of kids use listening and speaking as their mode of communication but a very small minority of teachers have the knowledge to teach those kids.

Well, several of my coworkers and myself hold highly qualified certifications under the eyes of NCLB to teach deaf children and many of us dont have training in oralism.

 

[A]

Well, several of my coworkers and myself hold highly qualified certifications under the eyes of NCLB to teach deaf children and many of us dont have training in oralism.

I didn't know what F_J was getting to until I realize she wanted more deaf teachers to teach at Oral school because she thinks the population of deaf people are using Spoken Language (but I don't know how many those population know ASL).

FJ, if you really think TOD is undereducated for oral school, then why are they hiring them instead of regular teachers or Special Education teachers. Aren't they just as uneducated. What more do they need to know if you not asking for a speech therapy or anything. That you are only asking if they would teach kids using spoken language.

Deaf children who sign need more TOD. Oral-only is the system that most of us disgree with and think it is unhealthy for a deaf child not to know ASL.

I highly doubt most ASL TOD do not know how to work with deaf people with all sort of needs. Especa

 

[faire_jour]

The point I'm trying to make is that these TOD ARE already working with oral kids. They are working in the schools with oral kids but they are not trained with an emphasis in listening and spoken language. How are they supposed to work with the majority of deaf kids when their training is in a different modality than the kids they work with?

 

[faire_jour]

Another "radical" claim from you.. A different claim would be that the "vast majority" of teachers aren't that crazy. We are talking about enormously resources of time and money spent on making some people uttering some words, that does not raise the GDP of united states. It's papers that show deaf people with fluency in ASL makes more money than those without. Medicore speech and listening just get you that far.

I suggest you talk to AG Bell, and they perhaps will like your idea as a way to raise more money and "awarness" about oralism?

Can you show us this research? I have read that Deaf of Deaf students tend to have better literacy, but I have never read anything about ASL deaf vs oral deaf in regards to income as adults.

 

[A]

did you ask them if they feel they are trained?

 

[AlleyCat]

The way I've interpreted FJ's posts are that the teachers aren't undereducated as a whole - they've gone to college, gotten their degrees and all. But they're likely uneducated for the jobs they've been hired for.

I had a variety of teachers while mainstreamed - a speech teacher, an IEP teacher, an ASL teacher, etc. Each of these were qualified for their specific position but of no help in other positions. For example, my IEP teacher made me learn idioms and slang words, if you can believe that. She and I spent YEARS doing this. I never saw her as a teacher that was qualified to work with me in any other way. Yet, I was expected to take an hour out of math or history to learn idioms. My point is that she was likely undereducated in areas that mattered to me most.

 

[faire_jour]

did you ask them if they feel they are trained?

In the article I read it said that only 1/5 of the training programs emphasize listening and spoken language and that only a very small number of the graduates were trained in that area. I have not interviewed every tacher of the deaf, no.

 

[faire_jour]

The way I've interpreted FJ's posts are that the teachers aren't undereducated as a whole - they've gone to college, gotten their degrees and all. But they're likely uneducated for the jobs they've been hired for.

I had a variety of teachers while mainstreamed - a speech teacher, an IEP teacher, an ASL teacher, etc. Each of these were qualified for their specific position but of no help in other positions. For example, my IEP teacher made me learn idioms and slang words, if you can believe that. She and I spent YEARS doing this. I never saw her as a teacher that was qualified to work with me in any other way. Yet, I was expected to take an hour out of math or history to learn idioms. My point is that she was likely undereducated in areas that mattered to me most.

That is exactly what I mean. I mean that they are highly trained, but that it isn't in the areas that are needed for the kids they are teaching.