US policeman used Taser on 72-year-old woman

[Liebling:-)))]

Are you a cop? Do you have any cop experience? Do you have any background in law enforcement field to say such simple thing? Do you have any experience to deal with offenders?

Please re-read ASLGAL's post #55. She is a former cop. She knows what she's talking about. You don't.

Look at your own post... You act a cop and on cop´s side to make lecture us here and EVERY threads... :roll:

We are here to voice our view and can agree to disagree over Police Officer´s behavior manner. :roll:

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Please keep in mind that in Germany there is the Autobahn whereas in USA, there is no Autobahn. We have the freeway but our freeway limits are much lower than the Autobahn.

In most countries, it usually refers to the German autobahn specifically. The recommended speed of the German autobahn is 130 km/h (80 mph), but there is no general speed limit. Austrian and Swiss autobahns have general speed limits of 130 km/h (80 mph) and 120 km/h (74 mph), respectively.

Our general speed limits are much lower than the Autobahn so keep this in mind.

A hard limit is imposed on some vehicles:
60 km/h Buses carrying standing passengers (except in Switzerland) Motorcycles pulling trailers (in Switzerland: 80 km/h)
80 km/h Vehicles with a gross weight rating (GWR) exceeding 3.5 t (except passenger cars) Passenger cars and trucks with trailers Buses or Coaches (in Switzerland: 120 km/h)
100 km/h Buses or Coaches certified for 100 km/h not pulling trailers
145 km/h Passenger cars fitted with studded tires

source

 

[C.C.Sinned]

i think the old lady was a dumbass and the cop was a puss zapping the old battle ax

 

[Jiro]

So what is your suggestion, Jiro. That we have several different speed limits on the same road depending on age? 16-21= 40 mph, 21-40 = 60 mph, 40-55=50mph, 55 and over = 40 mph?

And teenagers reactions are actually quicker than those of an adult, not slower, generally speaking. Not all older adults have reaction times that have reduced from those of a younger adult. It depends on the individual, life style, and health.

the statistic does not back your statement. Teens are inexperienced. Elders have slow reaction. Both are deadly variable that contributes to road casualty and accidents.

Motor Vehicle Accident (MVA) is the leading cause of death for teen - proof
and the statistic remains pretty high for older drivers (65 or above) - proof.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

an error in my post #43. She was speeding 60 on 45 (not 40). either way - speeding at 60 mph on ANY road even interstate highway is DANGEROUS and SERIOUS especially for elders and teens.

This is not just a simple "15 mph extra" because that is misleading. She wasn't speeding 35 on 20. She was speeding 60. I'm sorry but I do not trust elders driving that fast (no offense to our elder ADers) but the numbers do not lie. Majority of accidents are caused by teens and elders.

Elders driving accident is very low to compare with teens driving, alcohol and cell phone while driving.

Teen Driving Statistics

Car Accident Statistics | InjuryBoard Long Island

Young drivers from the age 17 to 25 are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. This is mainly because of inexperience, attitudes, and risk taking.

Road Accident Statistics

 

[Jiro]

Look at your own post... You act a cop and on cop´s side to make lecture us here and EVERY threads... :roll:

We are here to voice our view and can agree to disagree over Police Officer´s behavior manner. :roll:

My view is logical, objective and rational. The few ADers in here shared same view. I'm here to lecture you on American laws and to make you understand DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

My perspective - she broke the law - speeding, refusing to sign the ticket, and resisting arrest. IMO - she should STFU and suck it up. She's very lucky to get off with just "resisting arrest" charge.

Your perspective - "omg he pushed her! wtf!" and that's it :roll:

I've already stated that the cop COULD have handled it differently but it happens. The cop did NOTHING wrong - LEGALLY. That's why he was not reprimanded nor suspended.

 

[Jiro]

Elders driving accident is very low to compare with teens driving, alcohol and cell phone while driving.

Teen Driving Statistics

Car Accident Statistics | InjuryBoard Long Island

Young drivers from the age 17 to 25 are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. This is mainly because of inexperience, attitudes, and risk taking.

Road Accident Statistics

We're not talking about who is MORE dangerous. I'm talking about the fact that driving fast for both teens and older drivers is DANGEROUS

 

[Liebling:-)))]

She did drove 60 mph into a 45 mph speed limited. That's 15 mph more than what the speed limited sign had posted. That's going over the speed limited, you can't do that, you'll get ticketed for that.

Yes I know that she drove 60 mph in 45 mph zone = 15 mph over speed limit.

Of course I know that she deserve to get a ticket for 15 mph over speed limit driving.

I thought you know my posts that I agree to ticket her for speed driving don´t you?

 

[Jiro]

Yes I know that she drove 60 mph in 45 mph zone = 15 mph over speed limit.

Of course I know that she deserve to get a ticket for 15 mph over speed limit driving.

I thought you know my posts that I agree to ticket her for speed driving don´t you?

good. very good. so do you understand that it's the law to sign the ticket and that you can get arrested for refusing to sign the ticket?

 

[jillio]

the statistic does not back your statement. Teens are inexperienced. Elders have slow reaction. Both are deadly variable that contributes to road casualty and accidents.

Motor Vehicle Accident (MVA) is the leading cause of death for teen - proof
and the statistic remains pretty high for older drivers (65 or above) - proof.

You are assigning cause and effect reationships where you do not have the scientific evidence to determine cause and effect, Jiro. As I said before, what is your solution? Assign speed limit by age?

 

[jillio]

good. very good. so do you understand that it's the law to sign the ticket and that you can get arrested for refusing to sign the ticket?

Arrested, not jolted with electricity.

 

[Jiro]

It´s my point why I questioned you because you keep on saying that she is reckless and dangerous driver because she drove few mph over speed limit. In the way, you talking sound to me that you NEVER drive over speed limit in your life. Should I label you as a reckless and dangerous driver if you had been drove few mph over speed limit.?

I know the math convertion between mph and kph. For me, 60 mph is not dangerous but limited driving.

Again - we're not talking about me. We're talking about this 72 years old driver who broke the laws. Any people with common sense know that driving above 60mph is DANGEROUS. We don't live in country with autobahn or nice german cars. We live in USA with bad roads and many kinds of cars from crappy one to fancyo one.

FYI -
She ILLEGALLY drove 60 mph.
She REFUSED to sign ticket
She DISOBEYED officer
She RESISTED arrest

Conclusion - she's a dangerous and reckless driver because of her behavior

 

[Jiro]

Arrested, not jolted with electricity.

and what do cops do with combative & argumentative people who aggressively resisted arrest?

 

[Doug5]

I cant believe some of you support tazering this old lady. She was only going 15 over. Maybe it was a speed trap. Or maybe she wasnt speeding at all. Maybe thats why she was so pissed. Cops sometimes make mistakes.

And some of you act like 15 over is reckless driving. Is 15 over so bad, that it justifies being tazered? Its like some of you want to punish this old lady for fatal accidents caused by other older drivers.

 

[Jiro]

You are assigning cause and effect reationships where you do not have the scientific evidence to determine cause and effect, Jiro. As I said before, what is your solution? Assign speed limit by age?

my solution is - SLOW DOWN!

That's why we have cops on road to enforce the law and to make sure everybody's driving safely.

 

[jillio]

Again - we're not talking about me. We're talking about this 72 years old driver who broke the laws. Any people with common sense know that driving above 60mph is DANGEROUS. We don't live in country with autobahn or nice german cars. We live in USA with bad roads and many kinds of cars from crappy one to fancyo one.

FYI -
She ILLEGALLY drove 60 mph.
She REFUSED to sign ticket
She DISOBEYED officer
She RESISTED arrest

Conclusion - she's a dangerous and reckless driver because of her behavior

It is possible to drive safely at 60 mph, Jiro. Please stop claiming that it is always dangerous to drive 60 mph.

Nor does driving 60 mph automatically include a charge of reckless operation, or of dangerous behavior.

 

[Jiro]

I cant believe some of you support tazering this old lady. She was only going 15 over. Maybe it was a speed trap. Or maybe she wasnt speeding at all. Maybe thats why she was so pissed. Cops sometimes make mistakes.

simple - sign the ticket and appear at court to contest the charge. not that hard.

And some of you act like 15 over is reckless driving. Is 15 over so bad, that it justifies being tazered? Its like some of you want to punish this old lady for fatal accidents caused by other older drivers.

so you're ok with driver speeding at 60+ mph? Are you ok with noobie driver driving at 60+ mph? Are you ok with some old fart who can barely see over the wheel driving at 60+ mph?

 

[Barbaro]

what's funny is.... even if you attempt to grab her knee with your foot - you will most likely break her leg and the media & public would be scorning you. Like what ASLGAL said - whatever the cop does, the cop will still get shit on by media and public anyway.

Not if a policeman do it right. There are several ways to subdue her without hurting her. Darkdog had mentioned the martial art practice of Aikido. I think the Aikido wrist lock moves are the option way to subdue her without injury. I've performed few moves of Aikido. I know the move would look bad for media, but at least she will be fine. If she were a man, the story would be different. Kathryn Winkfein on the local news (it's stationed in Austin, TX) stated that she described her taser scars to the news reporter. I think she'll go to the court in this late June, but there was no mention of the court date.

 

[jillio]

my solution is - SLOW DOWN!

That's why we have cops on road to enforce the law and to make sure everybody's driving safely.

OIC. We should all drive 35 no matter what the speed limit is, because Grandma Jiro says it is a safe speed. Right.

 

[Jiro]

It is possible to drive safely at 60 mph, Jiro. Please stop claiming that it is always dangerous to drive 60 mph.

It IS always dangerous to drive 60+ mph. It's a risk for you to take and the state allows you to do so but it carries with hefty fines and penalty if you do not drive it safely.

Nor does driving 60 mph automatically include a charge of reckless operation, or of dangerous behavior.

Wrong. You might want to check on that.