Obama Proposes Longer School Days, Extended School Year

[Foxrac]

Of course I know... Why I am here for is exchange our views. What´s your point?



Huh? I do not see anything that I took posters´view serious but share my view. This is Forum for? All what I see is you have problem with ADers including myself for our opposite view. Please don´t take my posts personally when I see different over Obama.



Socialist republic of Germany ? Excuse me for your ignorant comment. Your comment here is the best proof that you have a lack of knowledge. I feel sorry for you.

That's my opinion, I have rights to make voice about other countries if I disagree with their government and you can't call me a ignorant. :roll:

I have nothing to against on you but I just disagree with German governments, not you.

Not just only for Germany, I did criticize against other countries, such as China, Venezuela, Iran and some others.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

[/B]

That's my opinion, I have rights to make voice about other countries if I disagree with their government and you can't call me a ignorant. :roll:

I have nothing to against on you but I just disagree with German governments, not you.

No, this is not opinion of you but you misleading.

Yes, you feel free to disagree with German Governments with your opinion but you call Socialist Republic of Germany is a misleading and incorrect that´s why I call you an ignorant.

 

[Foxrac]

No, this is not opinion of you but you misleading.

Yes, you feel free to disagree with German Governments with your opinion but you call Socialist Republic of Germany is a misleading and incorrect that´s why I call you an ignorant.

You don't let me to make opinion then that's means you are limited my freedom to say anything about criticize against German governments.

I have RIGHTS to make own opinion about other countries whatever I want and you still have rights to disagree with my opinion, what's though and don't bash on my opinion...

I'm not going put into debate and back to topic about school issues.

 

[Buffalo]

I´m really glad that there´re sports at afternoons after lesson in school because I don´t want to see children go home alone, waiting for their parents come home from work. It would make them crazy, boring and make themselves stupid... addict to computer games, etc. Don´t you know that the sports, etc are important to develop children´s mind and body, helps them to become more independant and confidence... I do have sports at school as well. Sports are most important part in school.

Many parents have time do hobbies with their children in the weekends than weekday because many parents work long hours and also overtimes as well. I thought you know that workers/employees have little leave annual per year and have to work overtimes to collect hours to follow children´s school holiday don´t you?

Who look after the kids after school? Teachers or other people? Who pays for craft stuff? You or it comes out of your taxes? What time is the school hours? What time all the kids have to leave school for home? In here, the school starts at 8 or so and ends between 2 and 3. I was talking about some activities after school hours at the school and there you are talking about what I have been talking about.

 

[Lighthouse77]

Lieb. , you may not see it that way but some people do because they don't want the gov't doing that to them.

 

[Foxrac]

Lieb. , you may not see it that way but some people do because they don't want the gov't doing that to them.

Yup, of course.

I have nothing to against on her opinion but just wanted to be confront with debate about other countries and just want wake up after anyone whoever make criticize against USA, including government.

Without independent voters, Obama wouldn't win the election and US is very different and more right when compare to Western Europe.

 

[Babyblue]

The NCLB act. Uses the states assessment testing. If the "students" fail the funding are cut from the schools, and the school is rated at a lower score. One would think that the schools in poorer areas would need more funding. But they are stripped from that. Causing children to be left behind. I have seen teachers quit left and right when a school failed, due to the FCAT. Teachers quit because of the lack of funding and tools. Not giving them the tools they need to teach the modern day children that the modern day testing assessments require the children to be at the required "Level" to pass.

By saying that. Fundings, are cut at these schools. Tutors, books, teachers, are cut. All the essential tools to teach are cut. It has gotten so bad in Florida, that parents are now allowed to choose what schools kids go to. Not sure if that is within all Districts in Florida or if that is the local district I live in......With the transportation being provided by parents, or other family members. I remember a two years ago. I had to go before the school board to get my children in the school of my choice. Due to the NCLB act. But I had to drive to drop of my children... Day care van picked them up in the afternoon.

But I got my children in a school that had the tools.

But can you imagine if all the parents did what I did. The "better" school in the district will be overcrowded., and already IS.

 

[shel90]

just a question, some mentioned about forgotten lesson due to summer and having to teach it all over again, don't you think that is a good thing? I think it is because it will help them remember in the long term. if they decided not to reteach it, and they moved on to another subject, would they just forget anyway?

Most curriculm comes with spiral scope and sequence with each skill becoming more in-depth in each following year. So, the skills are really revisited yearly but with more in-depth and critical thinking involved.

Also, many of us send home summer work with the kids to help them retain their skills throughout the summer but unfortunately, most parents do not even bother doing one page of any of the material. Us, teachers have no control over that. I think year-round school with breaks in between is the answer.

 

[jillio]

not all students are white-collar type. Not all students are into computers or psychology fields. Many high schools in California do have automotive courses. That means good pay & job opportunities for them in automotive industry. During 3 months vacation - that's when they can do internship or full-time job at automotive industry.

That has virtually nothing to do with what we are discussing. They can do their internship at any time. Internships are generally done during the school year.

Being white collar or blue collar has absolutely nothing to do with it. And many schools have a voc-tech that has automotive courses. Those courses, however, are based on mechanics and body work, not the automotive manufacturing industry.

 

[jillio]

The NCLB act. Uses the states assessment testing. If the "students" fail the funding are cut from the schools, and the school is rated at a lower score. One would think that the schools in poorer areas would need more funding. But they are stripped from that. Causing children to be left behind. I have seen teachers quit left and right when a school failed, due to the FCAT. Teachers quit because of the lack of funding and tools. Not giving them the tools they need to teach the modern day children that the modern day testing assessments require the children to be at the required "Level" to pass.

By saying that. Fundings, are cut at these schools. Tutors, books, teachers, are cut. All the essential tools to teach are cut. It has gotten so bad in Florida, that parents are now allowed to choose what schools kids go to. Not sure if that is within all Districts in Florida or if that is the local district I live in......With the transportation being provided by parents, or other family members. I remember a two years ago. I had to go before the school board to get my children in the school of my choice. Due to the NCLB act. But I had to drive to drop of my children... Day care van picked them up in the afternoon.

But I got my children in a school that had the tools.

But can you imagine if all the parents did what I did. The "better" school in the district will be overcrowded., and already IS.

Exactly. NCLB punsihes the schools that need the funding the most, and as a consequence, punishes the students.

 

[jillio]

Most curriculm comes with spiral scope and sequence with each skill becoming more in-depth in each following year. So, the skills are really revisited yearly but with more in-depth and critical thinking involved.

Also, many of us send home summer work with the kids to help them retain their skills throughout the summer but unfortunately, most parents do not even bother doing one page of any of the material. Us, teachers have no control over that. I think year-round school with breaks in between is the answer.

**nodding agreement**

 

[jillio]

I did not work with the market analysis department, I was in the IT division, but as apart of the job we had to attend seminars where execs and divisions across the country and even nation would attend semiannually. (Monster.com on the company).
In those seminars, that's where I picked up certain tidbits of info and am sharing with the rest of the people here to know.
It is common knowledge among the whole industry that in these months, productivity sees a surge everywhere, and as a result of that everyone's trying to take advantage of the cash to be earned in them.

Speculation from the experts usually base it on the fact that kids are free to do whatever, teenagers driving, car purchases in light of it, whatever. I do not have exact stats or the information on hand, like I said, I was not directly involved in marketing, I picked up on word of mouth and attending the seminars over what was happening.
From my own (anecdotal) experience in this area, during these months, even though I'm in IT and not directly associated with the actual parts of automotive related stuff, I'd be working overtime to get things done on schedule.


Even though driving only accounts for kids aged 15.5+ and above, the factor isn't exactly the age they have to be, it's the damage they can cause. You could be a 13 year old kid stealing your parent's station wagon and only account for .001% of teen drivers, but if you ram into that Aston Martin or some city structure, we're looking at big $ difficulties.
The whole point here is money for those who care about it.

There's some information of that here, on the CDC site:
CDC -Teen Drivers: Fact Sheet

Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens, accounting for more than one in three deaths in this age group.1 In 2005, twelve teens ages 16 to 19 died every day from motor vehicle injuries.

In the United States during 2005, 4,544 teens ages 16 to 19 died of injuries caused by motor vehicle crashes. In the same year, nearly 400,000 motor vehicle occupants in this age group sustained nonfatal injuries that required treatment in an emergency department.1 Overall, in 2005, teenagers accounted for 10 percent of the U.S. population and 12 percent of motor vehicle crash deaths.

Young people ages 15-24 represent only 14% of the U.S. population. However, they account for 30% ($19 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries among males and 28% ($7 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries among females.2

That $26 billion number may be a bit skewed for the age gaps, if we were to split it up I don't know what are the exacts for aged 15.5-18 (high school). And the problem that I no longer with the company, do not have access to the data, we will have to "play by mind" as a result of it unless someone else can bring them to the table.


Remember I'm not here to argue for no schooling. I'm just saying out of common sense that auto industries will likely take a hit in gross earnings as a result of it, whether that is good or bad.. be my guest, you can be the judge.

Again, you have provided nothing that supports the auto industry taking a "hit" from year round schooling. You are making quite a leap in logic here. The auto industries are currently seeing a "hit" on their gross earnings and it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of education.

Any damage caused by young drivers is the concern of the insurance industry, not the automotive industry. Re: the 13 year old stealing a car example that you came up with: 13 year olds that are spending more time in school have less time to steal cars.

 

[Jiro]

That has virtually nothing to do with what we are discussing. They can do their internship at any time. Internships are generally done during the school year.

actually yes we are. Internship can also occur AFTER high school/college. Giving the students tool that they needed to learn in high school would be beneficial for their future in order to get a job because not all can afford college. Not all are interested in college. Extending school year makes absolutely no sense to me. Students learn better with hand-on experience... which is why there are 3 months summer. Unfortunately - there are a handful of students who spent it on nothing.... but then - who are we to tell them what to do with their time? Blame the parents, not government. not teachers. not schools.

Being white collar or blue collar has absolutely nothing to do with it. And many schools have a voc-tech that has automotive courses. Those courses, however, are based on mechanics and body work, not the automotive manufacturing industry.

well you're using a more specific term. We used a broad term - "automotive industry." it can be anything ranging from car dealership to mechanic shop to major auto corporations to etc. The students learn not only mechanics and body work but more than that. Didyaknow high school students won the competition for designing, building, and driving a vehicle that went the farthest distance using the least amount of fuel? Not bad for a high school students who beat 23 universities!

2,843 mpg? High school team takes the prize

 

[jillio]

actually yes we are. Internship can also occur AFTER high school/college. Giving the students tool that they needed to learn in high school would be beneficial for their future in order to get a job because not all can afford college. Not all are interested in college. Extending school year makes absolutely no sense to me. Students learn better with hand-on experience... which is why there are 3 months summer. Unfortunately - there are a handful of students who spent it on nothing.... but then - who are we to tell them what to do with their time?


well you're using a more specific term. We used a broad term - "automotive industry." it can be anything ranging from car dealership to mechanic shop to major auto corporations to etc. The students learn not only mechanics and body work but more than that. Didyaknow high school students won the competition for designing, building, and driving a vehicle that went the farthest distance using the least amount of fuel? Not bad for a high school students who beat 23 universities!

2,843 mpg? High school team takes the prize

Internships associated with an automotive course work do not occur after high school. They occur during the senior year, and are part of the coursework to receive the certificate from voc ed. College internships, as well, do not occur after the degree has been received, but are a part of the curriculum for the specific degree.

Once again, you are talking about a program concerned with mechanics and body work.

And you still fail to show how an extended school year will have a negative impact on the automotive industry. Likewise, the students you speak of are high school students. Think what they could have done with an extended school year. Their learning would have increased exponentially.

 

[Buffalo]

The NCLB act. Uses the states assessment testing. If the "students" fail the funding are cut from the schools, and the school is rated at a lower score. One would think that the schools in poorer areas would need more funding. But they are stripped from that. Causing children to be left behind. I have seen teachers quit left and right when a school failed, due to the FCAT. Teachers quit because of the lack of funding and tools. Not giving them the tools they need to teach the modern day children that the modern day testing assessments require the children to be at the required "Level" to pass.

What is FCAT?

 

[jillio]

What is FCAT?

Florida Curriculum Achievement Testing.

 

[Buffalo]

Most curriculm comes with spiral scope and sequence with each skill becoming more in-depth in each following year. So, the skills are really revisited yearly but with more in-depth and critical thinking involved.

Also, many of us send home summer work with the kids to help them retain their skills throughout the summer but unfortunately, most parents do not even bother doing one page of any of the material. Us, teachers have no control over that. I think year-round school with breaks in between is the answer.

I remember those summer homeworks. I was really frustrated with that because I want to play in the summer, not doing any homework. I solved it one summer by doing all the homework at one sitting right after the school closed. That summer was good and guilt-free.

 

[Jiro]

Internships associated with an automotive course work do not occur after high school. They occur during the senior year, and are part of the coursework to receive the certificate from voc ed. College internships, as well, do not occur after the degree has been received, but are a part of the curriculum for the specific degree.

no... no..... no........... check any corporation websites and you will plenty of internship positions (which are not associated with high school nor college). Internship can be called as "trial period" before deciding on whether or not to hire the person on permanent basis.

Once again, you are talking about a program concerned with mechanics and body work.

not always. They do teach much more than that. Read the link again. They certainly did not win the competition with just "mechanics and body work."

And you still fail to show how an extended school year will have a negative impact on the automotive industry. Likewise, the students you speak of are high school students. Think what they could have done with an extended school year. Their learning would have increased exponentially.

that's a wonderful wishful thinking but unfortunately extraordinary unrealistic. You failed to show how an extended school year will have a significant (positive) impact on students. Are you expecting more and more of them to become psychologists or something?

 

[Babyblue]

Florida Curriculum Achievement Testing.

Actually, It is the Florida Comprehension Assessment Testing. :P


Florida's Comprehensive Assessment Test (FCAT)

 

[jillio]

no... no..... no........... check any corporation websites and you will plenty of internship positions (which are not associated with high school nor college). Internship can be called as "trial period" before deciding on whether or not to hire the person on permanent basis.

Those internships have nothing to do with education. So they do not apply here.
not always. They do teach much more than that. Read the link again. They certainly did not win the competition with just "mechanics and body work."

Mechanics involves the building of the motor. Body work involves the design and building of the body.

that's a wonderful wishful thinking but unfortunately extraordinary unrealistic. You failed to show how an extended school year will have a significant (positive) impact on students. Are you expecting more and more them to become psychologists or something?

I don't have to show it. There are plenty of stats out there that do show the benefit. What in the world does psychology have to do with it? You are really arguing just for the sake of arguing now, Jiro. If you want to argue against an extended school year, come up with something valid.