The world's second-ever octuplets were born

I can undy..I just learned from my mom after discussing abortions the other day cuz I was curious to what she thought..just learned that my cousin had one cuz she was seriously addicted to meth and herion at the time and she got pregnant..right away, my aunt advised her to get an abortion because she was shooting up daily...the family is grateful for that cuz the baby would have been seriously f****cked up on drugs when its born. It was like 15 years ago and a big secret. I dont judge my cousin for that but the other stuff she did...eeeeehhh..

That is a good thing that your cousin did get an abortion that time because had she carried the baby to term, the poor baby would have been born with very serious medical complications on top of being born addicted to meth and heroin.
 
so can the mother support the kids? there is no husband and first 6 were artificially done too?

the doctor that implanted 8 fetuses should have his license revoked for creating this clusterfuck
 
"post aortion stress syndrom" is not listed in the dsm. therefore, it is not a lgegitimate medical condtion.


I feel bad for women with PASS. I bet Nobody told them that not only would they experience that feels just like being raped and have their child murdered all in one day, but any feelings they had afterwards would simply denied. It's very sad.

Please read the link before you pass judgement. The woman is not Pro Life BUT she has suffered from PASS so she is running a message board so other PASS sufferers can share their experiences.
 
I feel bad for women with PASS. I bet Nobody told them that not only would they experience that feels just like being raped and have their child murdered all in one day, but any feelings they had afterwards would simply denied. It's very sad.

Please read the link before you pass judgement. The woman is not Pro Life BUT she has suffered from PASS so she is running a message board so other PASS sufferers can share their experiences.

There is no such diagnosis as PASS. Please stop posting information regarding this fictitious diagnosis. You are doing no one a service by doing so.

And, this is a thread about birth, not about abortion. Abortion has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of the birth of octuplets.

Attempting to convince others that a syndrome that does not exist is a diagnosable illness is very harmful.
 
again Dreama - refer to Byrdie's post -

You need to learn to stop hijacking threads with your own personal agenda.....
 
Even quadruplets are too risky to carry to term. I am not so sure about triplets. I think they are risky, but many do carry triplets to term, while others don't carry bigger multiple fetuses to term. Whether it is affordable or not is not the primary issue here. The primary issue here is the risks and the medical complications that comes with carrying multiple fetuses. I don't know too much about triplets, since I have seen many triplets that ended up being fine, although I have heard of a set (or even two sets, I think) of triplets that ended up being deafblind, and I think there are some sets of triplets that ended up with worse medical complications. But I think quadruplets and bigger sets of fetuses should not be carried to term, since they carry too much of a risk already.

Interesting post. I see differently, or maybe we have different POV but I definitely agreed with you about triplets. I witnessed them too.
 
What I think.... the biggest problem in my mind - that pregnancy is more likely treated like a disability in this country, instead of a natural part of life. I can't imagine the man can't say a no to woman's choice to have so many kids. I think it's crazy. =/
 
were there any deaf quintets or more? I saw deaf triplets once at Gallaudet before.
 
My cousin had triplets. Naturally!

Two eggs. Two sperms. One fertilized egg split, made identical twins. The other fertilized egg made a fraternal twin.

Three boys!! Two identical. The fraternal one could pass for one of the identicals.

Sorry if off topic just had to throw that one in there.

All hearing not deaf.
 
My cousin had triplets. Naturally!

Two eggs. Two sperms. One fertilized egg split, made identical twins. The other fertilized egg made a fraternal twin.

Three boys!! Two identical. The fraternal one could pass for one of the identicals.

Sorry if off topic just had to throw that one in there.

All hearing not deaf.

Also :topic:
But, my cousin had two sets of twins 18 mos apart. After the second set were born, she had her tubes tied. :giggle:
 
Also :topic:
But, my cousin had two sets of twins 18 mos apart. After the second set were born, she had her tubes tied. :giggle:


as well as my grandparents.. My Father is a twin. as well as his sisters. (my aunts) I have a twin as well.

Dunno how it happened but I did not have twins.

Several family members of mine had twins.

One had triplets.
 
as well as my grandparents.. My Father is a twin. as well as his sisters. (my aunts) I have a twin as well.

Dunno how it happened but I did not have twins.

Several family members of mine had twins.

One had triplets.

It runs in our family as well. In fact, I was supposed to be a twin, but wasn't. I'm not having children, but my sister has kids. A boy and a girl. Two pregnancies, two babies. :giggle:
 
We have twins in our family as well. My grandfather was a twin, but his brother died at a very young age due to measles I think. My grandfather knows he had a twin brother but has no recollections of him. Of course all this happened before modern medicine was available to take care of childhood diseases that were deadly.
 
California Octuplets Mom's Veil of Secrecy Vanishes

WHITTIER, Calif. — The veil of secrecy octuplets' mother Nadya Suleman shrouded herself in for more than a week was lifted Thursday with the release of public documents showing that the 33-year-old struggled with depression for years until she finally began to realize her childhood dream of having a huge family.

Suleman, who now has 14 children, told doctors she battled with depression for years after she was injured in a riot in 1999 at the state mental hospital where she worked.

The doctors' reports were included in more than 300 pages of documents released to The Associated Press by the state Division of Workers' Compensation on the same day NBC released excerpts of Suleman's first interview since giving birth last month. Among other things, the documents reveal that Suleman collected more than $165,000 in disability payments between 2002 and 2008 for an injury she said left her in near-constant pain and helped end her marriage.

Meanwhile, Suleman told NBC what her mother and others have said since the octuplets were born: that she always wanted a huge family to make up for the isolation she felt as an only child.

"That was always a dream of mine, to have a large family, a huge family," she said. "I just longed for certain connections and attachments with another person that ... I really lacked, I believe, growing up."

In the interview — scheduled to air on the "Today" show Monday and again Tuesday on "Dateline" — Suleman calls her childhood "pretty dysfunctional."

In the state report, however, doctors indicate she had a happy childhood. She told them she was an above-average high school student, enjoyed being a cheerleader, had many friends and stayed out of trouble. She said her parents were loving and supportive.

As an adult, however, she said she often battled depression as she struggled to get pregnant and particularly after her injury.

In the report, Suleman told a doctor she had three miscarriages. Another doctor disputed that number, saying she had two ectopic pregnancies, a dangerous condition in which a fertilized egg implants somewhere other than in the uterus. She told NBC she struggled for seven years before finally giving birth to her first child in 2001 through in vitro fertilization.

She told a doctor who conducted a psychological evaluation for a workers' compensation claim that the first birth was "the most wonderful, best thing that's ever happened in my life."

Suleman said all her children have been born through in vitro fertilization, with sperm donated from a friend. The first six range in age from 2 to 7. The octuplets are doing fine, said officials at Kaiser Permanente's Bellflower Medical Center, where they were born Jan. 26.

According to the state documents, which were released to the AP following a public records request, Suleman was injured Sept. 18, 1999, when a riot involving nearly two dozen patients broke out in the women's ward of the Metropolitan State Hospital in Norwalk.

As she was helping other staffers restrain a patient, a desk thrown at her by another patient hit her in the back. It caused damage to her spine and left her complaining of headaches and intense pain throughout her lower body for years.

She attributed it in part to the breakup of her marriage to Marcos Gutierrez, whom she had wed in 1996. She told a psychiatrist the bouts of depression she was suffering as a result of her injury were unfair to her husband.

"I don't want to keep bringing him down. I want him to move on with his life," she told a psychiatrist.

The couple split in 2000 and divorced last year. Gutierrez has not returned calls to phone numbers listed for him, and his divorce lawyer, Roberto Gil, declined comment.

Suleman has come under criticism from TV and radio commentators, bloggers and others who accused her of irresponsibly having more children than she appears prepared to care for. Some say she had the octuplets to cash in with a TV or book deal.

Although the two publicists she hired last week acknowledge she is reviewing such offers, one of her friends said Suleman simply loves children and didn't get pregnant for profit.

"She's not even interested in that right now," said Jessica Zepeda, who lives down the street. "It's funny and sad in a way, there's a lot of people saying really negative things and they don't know her."

Suleman's mother said she expects people's opinions to change now that her daughter is going public.

"She's a very likable person," Angela Suleman said Wednesday. "She's basically normal except for this obsession she's always had with children."

She's also a good mother, Angela Suleman said.

Her daughter, who was born in Fullerton, studied to be a psychiatric technician after graduating from a high school in La Puente in 1993.

She received a bachelor's degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, in 2006 and was studying there for a master's degree in counseling when she became pregnant with the octuplets.

"She may not be able to finish her master's degree now and she was so close to wrapping it up," her mother said.

Publicist Mike Furtney said Nadya Suleman has told him it's her dream to eventually earn a Ph.D. in some field involving counseling.

Public records show Suleman was listed on the Metropolitan State Hospital payroll from 1997 until last year, though it appears she did little work after September 1999 because of her injury.

Furtney said Thursday that Suleman was "feeling great" and looking forward to being reunited with her octuplets, who are expected to remain in the hospital for several more weeks.

"She's happy to be out of the hospital, although she misses her children," he said. "She can't wait until they join her."

The octuplets were born nine weeks prematurely and will be released from the hospital individually as they hit a near-normal newborn weight.

"At this point in their development, they are not mature enough to coordinate the suckling and swallowing at the same time to be bottle-fed," said Dr. Mandhir Gupta, the hospital's neonatologist.
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Wow, I can't imagine how could she manage 14 children alone? I am sure that State of California provide several support like food stamps, day care, etc... She can't do this alone, it will affect her mental becomes instability due to stressful and fatigue. :shock:
 
I saw the mom on TV today. She looks like she's had plastic surgery. I wonder who paid for that?

Anyway, during the interview, she said that she wanted babies because she was lonely growing up as an only child.
 
I saw the mom on TV today. She looks like she's had plastic surgery. I wonder who paid for that?

Anyway, during the interview, she said that she wanted babies because she was lonely growing up as an only child.

Doesn't mean she has to jeopardize her health and the health of her kids....
 
It sure is interesting. Thanks for the link. :ty:

This was an especially interesting paragraph:

Curry said that Suleman said she intends to return to college in the fall to complete a master’s degree in counseling. Suleman had worked in a state mental hospital from 1997-2006, but spent much of the time after 1999 on disability after being injuring her back in a riot at the facility.
It makes me wonder a couple of things.

1. What kind of counseling will she give people? (Would anyone want her to counsel their daughters about having babies?!)

2. If she hurt her back so badly that she can't work, how could she expect to carry a multi-baby pregnancy without problems? As all women who have been pregnant know, even one baby in the womb can cause a lot of strain on your back.


And this really fries me:

"I'll stop my life for them and be present with them. And hold them. And be with them. And how many parents do that?"

The reason many parents can't spend all their time with their children is because they're working hard to support them! Of course she can spend all her time with her kids; she doesn't have to go to a job each day. It's the other moms and dads who are working that are supporting her kids! :mad:


Then she says, "Reflecting back on my childhood, I know it wasn't functional."

Um, if her childhood was so dysfunctional, why is she letting the same dysfunctional parents that raised her, now raise her children? That doesn't make any sense.
 
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