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Old 09-05-2007, 10:38 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Very informative Banjo. Not only a good read for those wanting to understand CC but also a good lesson in HDTV. One thing I want to mention is that there are efforts to get CC avaliable on HDTV's. It's called DTVCC.

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Digital Television Closed Captioning (DTVCC) (formerly known as Advanced Television Closed Captioning (ATVCC)) is the migration of the closed-captioning concepts and capabilities developed in the 1970's for NTSC television video signals to the high-definition television environment defined by the ATV Grand Alliance and standardized by the ATSC (Advanced Television Systems Committee). This new environment provides for larger screens, higher screen resolutions, enhanced closed captions, and higher transmission data rates for closed-captioning. The DTVCC specification is defined in the Electronic Industries Association publication EIA-708.
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Old 09-05-2007, 12:49 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Have you tried using HDMI or DVI cables? Try using them with WII (if WII supports DVI/HDMI) or HD digital cable. If you are using cable box to watch HD digital cable, there should be either DVI or HDMI connector at the back of cable box and still be able to watch CC. You will have to enable CC inside cable box (via menu setup screen), not the TV to watch CC from digital (or HD) programs.

For DVD movies, keep using component cables with progressive scan mode disabled.

I have learned that not all TVs support CC using component cables even with progressive scan disabled. Research thoroughly before buying new TVs. Take a look at an example: Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc. - LT-52244. Click on "Owner's Guide" link at bottom of page and see page 41 of Owner's Guide. It states: "Closed caption signals are not available through HDMI or component jacks."

CC not available through HDMI jacks?!?!?!?!? So if you connect HDMI cable between digital cable box and TV, you may not see CC. I find it hard to believe. I think the manual is referring to certain devices like DVD player because CC from DVD players is always analog and HDMI jacks only accept digital signals. I believe digital CC will still be seen using HDMI jack with digital cable box, but TEST IT FIRST before buying new TV or susbcribing HD cable.

Personally, I think digital signals all the way is better than analog signals.

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Wii don't support digital source, only analog and maximum at 480p, unlike Xbox 360 and PS3.
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Wii offers composite, component, S-video and D-terminal (only in Japan).

DVI isn't digital only, there's DVI-A, that formatted in analog.
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Old 09-05-2007, 01:04 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Turn off the progressive mode in your DVD player.


have you read my pm???


i already explained everything to ya..please read the recent one!


i'm not stupid or dumb when it comes to this. i just need more clarification on what to do?

dont just tell me to turn off progressive player when i already did that trick and followed your blog and every threads on here.

read my pm????

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Old 09-05-2007, 01:08 PM   #94 (permalink)
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have you read my pm???


i already explained everything to ya..please read the recent one!


i'm not stupid or dumb when it comes to this. i just need more clarification on what to do?

dont just tell me to turn off progressive player when i already did that trick and followed your blog and every threads on here.

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I'm not trying to make you feel dumb, but if that's what you did. Then I don't really have any answers for you at the moment. A lot of HDTV displays today are still giving the deaf consumers a great deal of problems when it come to captioning. I suggest you call the TV and DVD player manufacturers' technical services and they may be able to give you an answer. There's different solutions and it varies among the models.

I know you're frustrated, but there's not much I can do about it. Sorry.
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what about the s-video cable?
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Old 09-05-2007, 01:27 PM   #96 (permalink)
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what about the s-video cable?
Types of cables has nothing to do with CC signals. However, it is possible that the component input on your TV may not offer the option to enable the use of CC. So you could try S-Video instead.
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but you still watch in non-progessive scan, if it is progessive scan then won't work, plus it's not HDTV problem.
First of all, who says it's HDTV problem? Second, I am talking about component/HDMI cable that be using between HDTV/360/Bluray/HDDVD/HD digital cable with DIGITAL CC. It works on my brand new sony 60inch HDTV but it won't work on my dell 24inch HDTV and samsung 23inch HDTV.

P.S. who gives a fuck about non-progessive scan and progessive scan. No one wants to watch 480i or 480p, damn. I rather to watch either 1080i and 1080p formats.
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Types of cables has nothing to do with CC signals. However, it is possible that the component input on your TV may not offer the option to enable the use of CC. So you could try S-Video instead.
Yes it does, using component or HDMI cable, you wont able to get CC signals unless some tvs have build in "Advance CC" its for digital CC. For example, I have two composite (video 1 ) and component cables (video 2) at same time for HD digital cable and tested it with ESPNHD (College football game). With composite, there is CC signal but ok picture and then I switch Video 1 to Video 2 and then no CC but incredible picture and 1080i format. But in order to get digital CC is disable original CC and enable advance CC and there is a CC.
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no i dont need switch to 480i from 1080i. i keep it that way. everything are fine with cc.
I am fucking agreed with you.
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Yes it does, using component or HDMI cable, you wont able to get CC signals unless some tvs have build in "Advance CC" its for digital CC. For example, I have two composite (video 1 ) and component cables (video 2) at same time for HD digital cable and tested it with ESPNHD (College football game). With composite, there is CC signal but ok picture and then I switch Video 1 to Video 2 and then no CC but incredible picture and 1080i format. But in order to get digital CC is disable original CC and enable advance CC and there is a CC.
The cables itself has absolutely nothing to do with the CC signals. But it is the VIDEO INPUT that may be the source of the problem. Please read carefully next time.
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First of all, who says it's HDTV problem? Second, I am talking about component/HDMI cable that be using between HDTV/360/Bluray/HDDVD/HD digital cable with DIGITAL CC. It works on my brand new sony 60inch HDTV but it won't work on my dell 24inch HDTV and samsung 23inch HDTV.

P.S. who gives a fuck about non-progessive scan and progessive scan. No one wants to watch 480i or 480p, damn. I rather to watch either 1080i and 1080p formats.
Neither HD DVD and Blu-ray use closed captioning in most cases. They replaced it with SDH. However, Fox does list the CC symbol on their Blu-ray covers, so maybe that one will take advantage of the advanced mode of CC.
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First of all, who says it's HDTV problem? Second, I am talking about component/HDMI cable that be using between HDTV/360/Bluray/HDDVD/HD digital cable with DIGITAL CC. It works on my brand new sony 60inch HDTV but it won't work on my dell 24inch HDTV and samsung 23inch HDTV.

P.S. who gives a fuck about non-progessive scan and progessive scan. No one wants to watch 480i or 480p, damn. I rather to watch either 1080i and 1080p formats.
Jeez, You are really peabrain.

DVD movies don't support digital CC, only analog, that is far what I know. You don't understand about what digital CC means, it's exclusive to programs that use antenna. For DVD movies, you are watch under analog CC, no kidding.

HDTV problem? GO re-read my post, you got damn wrong.

I had one of my friend that own Sony HDTV too and he use CC on non-progessive scan like 480i or 1080i then analog CC will accepted via component cable, too bad because you don't realize so enough.

FYI, DVD movies are support on EIA-608 only, not 708.
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Neither HD DVD and Blu-ray use closed captioning in most cases. They replaced it with SDH. However, Fox does list the CC symbol on their Blu-ray covers, so maybe that one will take advantage of the advanced mode of CC.
Oh, that's true.
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The cables itself has absolutely nothing to do with the CC signals. But it is the VIDEO INPUT that may be the source of the problem. Please read carefully next time.
NO SHIT!

Where do you think the cable goes to? Of course it's video in and out ports.
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Jeez, You are really peabrain.

DVD movies don't support digital CC, only analog, that is far what I know. You don't understand about what digital CC means, it's exclusive to programs that use antenna. For DVD movies, you are watch under analog CC, no kidding.

HDTV problem? GO re-read my post, you got damn wrong.

I had one of my friend that own Sony HDTV too and he use CC on non-progessive scan like 480i or 1080i then analog CC will accepted via component cable, too bad because you don't realize so enough.

FYI, DVD movies are support on EIA-608 only, not 708.
you are fucking dumbass. Who gives a fuck aboutr DVD movies? I never say anything about DVD MOVIES, period.

YOu are getting dumb and dumber, HDtv problem? really? I knew I never say anything but YOU said I do. look at your fucking own post, motherfucker,
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but you still watch in non-progessive scan, if it is progessive scan then won't work, plus it's not HDTV problem.
Show me a proof where did I say HDTV problem?

I knoew you cant read anything, bitch. Where did I say DVD movies does support digtal CC? I was talking about HDDVD/BLURAY not motherfucking DVD. Got it, pea-motherfucking-brain.

Oh my god, for the last time, Fuck 480i or 480p I am not using that shit. I said 1080i and 1080p, damn, you are really retard or what? buying an upgrade glasses, motherfucker.
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I knoew you cant read anything, bitch. Where did I say DVD movies does support digtal CC? I was talking about HDDVD/BLURAY not motherfucking DVD. Got it, pea-motherfucking-brain.
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Ha ha ha, I do? what did I say? Am I missing something? Banjo. I do realize that its video input but it has nothing do with cables. I take my word back..
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NO SHIT!

Where do you think the cable goes to? Of course it's video in and out ports.
I'm talking about video inputs, not the cables. Yes, there is a difference.

The cables only carry the signals from the device to the TV. That's all they do. They don't block any kind of information.

The video input modes are programmed. If I recall correctly, it is mandated that RCA/Component/S-Video video input modes offer CC as an option. However, they didn't mandate it with HDMI.
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Ha ha ha, I do? what did I say? Am I missing something? Banjo. I do realize that its video input but it has nothing do with cables. I take my word back..
You told Pacman that he can't read... which is why I said you're the pot calling the kettle black.
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I'm talking about video inputs, not the cables. Yes, there is a difference.

The cables only carry the signals from the device to the TV. That's all they do. They don't block any kind of information.

The video input modes are programmed. If I recall correctly, it is mandated that RCA/Component/S-Video video input modes offer CC as an option. However, they didn't mandate it with HDMI.
Thats what I was thinking exactly and realizeing that I was wrong. So I posted to take my words back.
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you are fucking dumbass. Who gives a fuck aboutr DVD movies? I never say anything about DVD MOVIES, period.

YOu are getting dumb and dumber, HDtv problem? really? I knew I never say anything but YOU said I do. look at your fucking own post, motherfucker,
Show me a proof where did I say HDTV problem?

I knoew you cant read anything, bitch. Where did I say DVD movies does support digtal CC? I was talking about HDDVD/BLURAY not motherfucking DVD. Got it, pea-motherfucking-brain.

Oh my god, for the last time, Fuck 480i or 480p I am not using that shit. I said 1080i and 1080p, damn, you are really retard or what? buying an upgrade glasses, motherfucker.
Your post is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

You just nothing to know about everything, you are SOOOO insane.

I'm out now.

Banjo, thanks for everything, I appreciate about your comment.

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Your post is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

You just nothing to know about everything, you are SOOOO insane.

I'm out now.

Banjo, thanks for everything, I appreciate about your comment.

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No shit, you talking yourself.

Go crybaby

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