SSI Is a Joke

Doug5 · 11-01-2009, 01:29 PM

It pays almost half of what someone would make working on minimum wage.

How can they expect people to live on such little money?

***VamPyroX*** · 11-01-2009, 01:39 PM

Yeah.

It depends on location.

I know some people who get $1,000 to $1,200 for SSI.

Doug5 · 11-01-2009, 02:14 PM

where do they live? maybe its time to move

CJB · 11-01-2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Yeah.

It depends on location.

I know some people who get $1,000 to $1,200 for SSI.

Where do they live?

"Honey, we're moving."

Tousi · 11-01-2009, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug5

It pays almost half of what someone would make working on minimum wage.

How can they expect people to live on such little money?

Isn't that the idea? To pull yourself up by your bootstraps and show what your'e made of? To get off the suckling of the government teat?

CJB · 11-01-2009, 02:39 PM

Mod's edit: previous quote removed.

Exactly. I wish every day that I could work. If I was just deafblind I would do everything to try to get hired. But I also have debilitating pain. I can't work. I want to. I think it's totally unfair to be forced into extreme poverty just because I have a disability that keeps me from working. And that's not even taking into account the fact that it's next to impossible to get hired as a deafblind person. Even employers who believe deafblind people can work don't want to spend the extra money on adaptive technology and extra training.

Jiro · 11-01-2009, 02:41 PM

Mod's Edit: Previous quote removed.

you should know that Tousi's post is referring to those who CAN work but CONVENIENTLY choose NOT to by using deaf card or whatever the card they have because "why work hard when I can make same amount from SSI by playing xbox at home?"

of course - we're not targeting to those who really need it. There are far too many disabled people who don't really need it and they are the one who are sucking up all the funds for those who really needs it. that is who you should target your anger toward to, not us. Please be considerate and look at how much we're paying tax for ya'all. You should be glad that we're generous enough to pay for it. At least we don't hide our asset to pay less tax like those rich people.

CJB · 11-01-2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

you should know that Tousi's post is referring to those who CAN work but CONVENIENTLY choose NOT to by using deaf card or whatever the card they have because "why work hard when I can make same amount from SSI by playing xbox at home?"

of course - we're not targeting to those who really need it. There are far too many disabled people who don't really need it.

I agree there are too many people who need it. I don't think deafness or blindness in and of themselves should be reasons for disability. eople who are only deaf, only blind, or only deafblind can still work with the right technology. I think it's backwards that it's easiest to get SSI as a legally blind or deaf person but much more difficult to get it with a chronic pain condition or psychological conditions that can be very incapacitating.

Jiro · 11-01-2009, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJB

I agree there are too many people who need it. I don't think deafness or blindness in and of themselves should be reasons for disability. eople who are only deaf, only blind, or only deafblind can still work with the right technology. I think it's backwards that it's easiest to get SSI as a legally blind or deaf person but much more difficult to get it with a chronic pain condition or psychological conditions that can be very incapacitating.

CJB - you miss my last minute edit. see below -

Quote:

of course - we're not targeting to those who really need it. There are far too many disabled people who don't really need it and they are the one who are sucking up all the funds for those who really needs it. that is who you should target your anger toward to, not us. Please be considerate and look at how much we're paying tax for ya'all. You should be glad that we're generous enough to pay for it. At least we don't hide our asset to pay less tax like those rich people.

radioman · 11-01-2009, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJB

Exactly. I wish every day that I could work. If I was just deafblind I would do everything to try to get hired. But I also have debilitating pain. I can't work. I want to. I think it's totally unfair to be forced into extreme poverty just because I have a disability that keeps me from working. And that's not even taking into account the fact that it's next to impossible to get hired as a deafblind person. Even employers who believe deafblind people can work don't want to spend the extra money on adaptive technology and extra training.

I agree- I don't know how many times I have tried to "make" an employer look at things in a certain way - the disabled CAN be a much more loyal, hard working workers then the nondisabled. They COULD be making more money or getting MORE things DONE for a minimal amount of extra employee expenses. I would say at this point- you get what you pay for !

Reba · 11-01-2009, 03:11 PM

Aren't programs like SSI intended to be "safety nets" for people who need them? That is, they are a way to provide for the basic necessities. They aren't expected to be the equivalent of a full-time salary.

CJB · 11-01-2009, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

Aren't programs like SSI intended to be "safety nets" for people who need them? That is, they are a way to provide for the basic necessities. They aren't expected to be the equivalent of a full-time salary.

Yes, but working on the side isn't an option for all of us. So people who cannot work get forced into poverty by receiving hardly enough money to live on.

Reba · 11-01-2009, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJB

Yes, but working on the side isn't an option for all of us. So people who cannot work get forced into poverty by receiving hardly enough money to live on.

Prior to the inception of the SSI program, what did people in your situation do?

souggy · 11-01-2009, 03:45 PM

That's why in Alberta, it's really hard to get on social security there. You have to get a doctor's note saying that you are physically unable to get a job. But once you're on it, you get a fair good amount of money-- a friend I know who had kidney failure and was in chronic pain too often from the dialysis got more money from the government than I ever did when I was working during the same time period.

That means blindness, developmentally challenged or deafness does not qualify you for welfare. Pretty much the only people that go on it are chronic pain sufferers, bedridden people, terminal illness and the like. The
problem is that there's too many people that are faking pain though... although it's unrelated to SSI-- it's still the same issues.

I am still trying to figure out how the hell a friend of mine got a doctor's note for disability welfare because of hallucinations, while I have been told I am fine and dandy to work?

***Calvin*** · 11-01-2009, 04:47 PM

Mod note:

Ok, I've removed several posts and now let's play nice and be respect one another.

I'm going to re-open this thread for another chance.

Thank you.

***Calvin*** · 11-01-2009, 05:04 PM

Thread reopened.

Mr. Averythest · 11-01-2009, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug5

It pays almost half of what someone would make working on minimum wage.

How can they expect people to live on such little money?

Government is full of vagueness. You'd be shocked.

SSI if you know the system well - it's worse than any drug out there.

I can prove to you you can in the USA earn about $3,500 a month being on SSI and be perfectly fine with it. (legally too.)

But do I want to tell people how? I don't want to see my fellow deaf people on SSI and unable to support the community itself, like the Jewish people have demostrated.

Doug5 · 11-02-2009, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

Prior to the inception of the SSI program, what did people in your situation do?

they were at the mercy of their family. Or they begged.

Doug5 · 11-02-2009, 11:18 AM

This thread is not about people cheating the system. Not everyone can work.

Why do you think old people retire. Its because people's health decline when they get older. They cant see, hear, or move around like they used to and it affects their ability to do their job.

THe government has numerous programs for single mothers who made bad decisions. Most disabled people were just dealt a bad hand. If they cant work why should they be forced into humiliating extreme poverty.

A lot of people say whatever, everybody can work but thats bullshit. Disabilities have an enourmous impact on ones earning power. Some can work, but they would probably be making more money if it wasnt for their disabilities.

Im sick of people looking down on the disabled as if they are lazy.

souggy · 11-02-2009, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug5

This thread is not about people cheating the system. Not everyone can work.

Why do you think old people retire. Its because people's health decline when they get older. They cant see, hear, or move around like they used to and it affects their ability to do their job.

THe government has numerous programs for single mothers who made bad decisions. Most disabled people were just dealt a bad hand. If they cant work why should they be forced into humiliating extreme poverty.

A lot of people say whatever, everybody can work but thats bullshit. Disabilities have an enourmous impact on ones earning power. Some can work, but they would probably be making more money if it wasnt for their disabilities.

Im sick of people looking down on the disabled as if they are lazy.

You have to remember, MOST people who were born with these conditions don't think of themselves as disabled... Only those who acquire them do themselves as such. Anyway, there is not a whole not you can do about SSI... I means it is taxypayers' money... they get to decide how much money is allotted.

Mr. Averythest · 11-02-2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug5

This thread is not about people cheating the system. Not everyone can work.

Why do you think old people retire. Its because people's health decline when they get older. They cant see, hear, or move around like they used to and it affects their ability to do their job.

THe government has numerous programs for single mothers who made bad decisions. Most disabled people were just dealt a bad hand. If they cant work why should they be forced into humiliating extreme poverty.

A lot of people say whatever, everybody can work but thats bullshit. Disabilities have an enourmous impact on ones earning power. Some can work, but they would probably be making more money if it wasnt for their disabilities.

Im sick of people looking down on the disabled as if they are lazy.

This is because 90% of the people who are "disabled" are lazy, and mooching off the system.
Like the Jesus was in the bar joke, a redneck didnt want jesus to heal him because he was drawing disability.

I was on the system before, and while I was on the system I looked for ways to abuse it. I was living *really* good at the time. Travelling everywhere every month. Visiting family members all over the USA, etc, no job!
Lovely, eh?

And from my pictures you can see I can really work if I wanted to.

Mr. Averythest · 11-02-2009, 11:27 AM

okay - How about this example:
I know several blind people.

Two on SSDI - they get a whopping 1600 something a month. Another blind guy who has BA in social work or something like that works for IBM as tech support - he makes 90k a year.

These two on SSDI has cutting edge technology, rides their bikes all over Colorado, has everything to be "ahead" of all other blind people.
One of them has an IQ of 163.

Are these two cheating the system? Can they work? Sure they can work. But they decide to draw from the system....

Just saying.

dogmom · 11-02-2009, 11:36 AM

would like more explanation on ".....programs for single mothers who made bad decisions"
and
"...community itself, like the Jewish people have demonstrated".

I guess I don't personally think that "90% of the people who are 'disabled' are lazy".

I also think there are a lot of bureaucratic loopholes and things in the "system" that perpetuate issues.

Mr. Averythest · 11-02-2009, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogmom

would like more explanation on ".....programs for single mothers who made bad decisions"
and
"...community itself, like the Jewish people have demonstrated".

I guess I don't personally think that "90% of the people who are 'disabled' are lazy".

I also think there are a lot of bureaucratic loopholes and things in the "system" that perpetuate issues.

Jewish people is a part of very strong collectivist community.
They will give eachother jobs, help, etc while their "family" is in need.

Deaf community needs to do the same.

One deaf guy i know worked in a high position in Union Pacific railroad - he constantly bitched about people on SSI.. I asked him if he took the initiative of getting some deaf people into Union Pacific the entire 35 years he worked there.. He never got anyone in.
Nice, bitching about an issue and doing nothing about it is very individualist.

Reba · 11-02-2009, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by posts from hell

okay - How about this example:
I know several blind people.

Two on SSDI - they get a whopping 1600 something a month. Another blind guy who has BA in social work or something like that works for IBM as tech support - he makes 90k a year.

These two on SSDI has cutting edge technology, rides their bikes all over Colorado, has everything to be "ahead" of all other blind people.
One of them has an IQ of 163.

Are these two cheating the system? Can they work? Sure they can work. But they decide to draw from the system....

Just saying.

Isn't there an income cutoff for eligibility?

Doug5 · 11-02-2009, 02:14 PM

all theyre giving me is $680 a month. How are all these people getting over grand a month? I call bs on it.

I am not talking about people who are just deaf. Im talking about people that have other problems along with being deaf.

And just because a disabled person can do a certain job doesnt mean they will get hired. A lot of companies dont want to bother with making "accomindations" no matter how small.

Mr. Averythest · 11-02-2009, 06:17 PM

Blind people have higher limitations over any other people with disabilities.

You have to be creative is all I'm going to say.

Doug5 · 11-02-2009, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by posts from hell

Blind people have higher limitations over any other people with disabilities.

You have to be creative is all I'm going to say.

why the big secret? or is all your saying a bunch of bullshit?

Banjo · 11-02-2009, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tousi

Isn't that the idea? To pull yourself up by your bootstraps and show what your'e made of? To get off the suckling of the government teat?

Easier said than done.

Mr. Averythest · 11-02-2009, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug5

why the big secret? or is all your saying a bunch of bullshit?

The reason is - I DON'T want people to abuse the system. If you have read all my posts carefully, I do NOT want to tell people how to do it.

The most primitive example I can say is ...

In some areas - you can get $690/mo SSI, and $300/mo for Food stamps. Total that up you have $990 a month to deal with, on top of free insurance. (Insurance is about $300-800 a month depending on how much you pay if you actually worked)
So that equates to $1290-1790/a month if you actually worked.

Soooo. use your brainpower to find other resources. There's PLENTY and its just sickening when I find them constantly. They're all out there.

Just for kicks, I got a state to provide me a 52 inches plasma tv that I gave away. So, no bullshitting here.

11-01-2009, 01:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Doug5 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 551	SSI Is a Joke It pays almost half of what someone would make working on minimum wage. How can they expect people to live on such little money?

11-01-2009, 01:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hell Posts: 31,457	Yeah. It depends on location. I know some people who get $1,000 to $1,200 for SSI. __________________ Check out my city... CLICK HERE! (If you already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

11-01-2009, 02:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
CJB deafblind writer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: U.S. Posts: 1,409	Mod's edit: previous quote removed. Exactly. I wish every day that I could work. If I was just deafblind I would do everything to try to get hired. But I also have debilitating pain. I can't work. I want to. I think it's totally unfair to be forced into extreme poverty just because I have a disability that keeps me from working. And that's not even taking into account the fact that it's next to impossible to get hired as a deafblind person. Even employers who believe deafblind people can work don't want to spend the extra money on adaptive technology and extra training. Last edited by Calvin; 11-01-2009 at 06:13 PM. Reason: removed previous quote

11-01-2009, 02:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jiro YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Sopranos State Posts: 22,908	Mod's Edit: Previous quote removed. you should know that Tousi's post is referring to those who CAN work but CONVENIENTLY choose NOT to by using deaf card or whatever the card they have because "why work hard when I can make same amount from SSI by playing xbox at home?" of course - we're not targeting to those who really need it. There are far too many disabled people who don't really need it and they are the one who are sucking up all the funds for those who really needs it. that is who you should target your anger toward to, not us. Please be considerate and look at how much we're paying tax for ya'all. You should be glad that we're generous enough to pay for it. At least we don't hide our asset to pay less tax like those rich people. __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95 Last edited by Calvin; 11-01-2009 at 05:00 PM. Reason: Previous quote removed.

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souggy Ace Attorney Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 2,334	That's why in Alberta, it's really hard to get on social security there. You have to get a doctor's note saying that you are physically unable to get a job. But once you're on it, you get a fair good amount of money-- a friend I know who had kidney failure and was in chronic pain too often from the dialysis got more money from the government than I ever did when I was working during the same time period. That means blindness, developmentally challenged or deafness does not qualify you for welfare. Pretty much the only people that go on it are chronic pain sufferers, bedridden people, terminal illness and the like. The problem is that there's too many people that are faking pain though... although it's unrelated to SSI-- it's still the same issues. I am still trying to figure out how the hell a friend of mine got a doctor's note for disability welfare because of hallucinations, while I have been told I am fine and dandy to work? __________________ Souggy's Blog Warning! Contains skewed comments & inane ramblings. May cause spontaneous human combustion

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11-01-2009, 02:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
Doug5 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 551	where do they live? maybe its time to move

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Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 20,786	Aren't programs like SSI intended to be "safety nets" for people who need them? That is, they are a way to provide for the basic necessities. They aren't expected to be the equivalent of a full-time salary.

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11-02-2009, 11:18 AM	#19 (permalink)
Doug5 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 551	This thread is not about people cheating the system. Not everyone can work. Why do you think old people retire. Its because people's health decline when they get older. They cant see, hear, or move around like they used to and it affects their ability to do their job. THe government has numerous programs for single mothers who made bad decisions. Most disabled people were just dealt a bad hand. If they cant work why should they be forced into humiliating extreme poverty. A lot of people say whatever, everybody can work but thats bullshit. Disabilities have an enourmous impact on ones earning power. Some can work, but they would probably be making more money if it wasnt for their disabilities. Im sick of people looking down on the disabled as if they are lazy.

11-02-2009, 11:27 AM	#22 (permalink)
Mr. Averythest apotheosis, paragon of Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,838	okay - How about this example: I know several blind people. Two on SSDI - they get a whopping 1600 something a month. Another blind guy who has BA in social work or something like that works for IBM as tech support - he makes 90k a year. These two on SSDI has cutting edge technology, rides their bikes all over Colorado, has everything to be "ahead" of all other blind people. One of them has an IQ of 163. Are these two cheating the system? Can they work? Sure they can work. But they decide to draw from the system.... Just saying. __________________ Bewb patrol here. I'd love to see your bewbs, please send them to me in PM here. Sets of bewbs sent to my pm box: 6 w00t! You guys are awesome! Keep sendin' em in! Itchy groin ASL and Deaf happy hour at Avery Brewery info (January 5th 2010)

11-02-2009, 11:36 AM	#23 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,467	would like more explanation on ".....programs for single mothers who made bad decisions" and "...community itself, like the Jewish people have demonstrated". I guess I don't personally think that "90% of the people who are 'disabled' are lazy". I also think there are a lot of bureaucratic loopholes and things in the "system" that perpetuate issues.

11-02-2009, 02:14 PM	#26 (permalink)
Doug5 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 551	all theyre giving me is $680 a month. How are all these people getting over grand a month? I call bs on it. I am not talking about people who are just deaf. Im talking about people that have other problems along with being deaf. And just because a disabled person can do a certain job doesnt mean they will get hired. A lot of companies dont want to bother with making "accomindations" no matter how small.

11-02-2009, 06:17 PM	#27 (permalink)
Mr. Averythest apotheosis, paragon of Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,838	Blind people have higher limitations over any other people with disabilities. You have to be creative is all I'm going to say. __________________ Bewb patrol here. I'd love to see your bewbs, please send them to me in PM here. Sets of bewbs sent to my pm box: 6 w00t! You guys are awesome! Keep sendin' em in! Itchy groin ASL and Deaf happy hour at Avery Brewery info (January 5th 2010)

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