Is more speech therapy worth it?

[Hayden]

Huh, interesting. Which type do you work for?

 

[deafdyke]

If you're not able to speak clearly because of your disability - how does my reply even relate to you? I'm speaking to someone who does speak well and who was asking a question about the value of self improvement. I stand by it.

P.S. Hayden - recognize this from my PM? I edited my original response as I've decided not to let anyone stomp on me....stay cool!


Laura

WHAT THE FUCK?!?! Laura, how dare you assume that a fluent in ASL person can't also have pretty good speech skills? Does she have a "deaf voice? " I don't know as I have never met her...but even people who were raised orally or who are late deafened have deaf voices. Lot of us here have ASL fluent ability AND decent speech skills too.

 

[ecp]

People in medical school will make a ton of money after they pay off student debt, but this an exception. They have an in-demand specialist and few people can pass those courses and requirements. You're paying for their skill, their training, and their experience when they send you a bill.

I'm not trying to pass as hearing, but I do because my speech is that good but I fool no one in audiology or hearing/language disorders who can pick up on it instantly. You want your speech to be clear enough so no one has to keep asking you to repeat or to write it down. My speech is fine but I do plan to work on it more because I still hear the differences in my speech compared to others, but let's face it, if my hearing continues to worsen, I'll need it anyway. Self improvement is never time or money wasted. This is true if it's working on writing skills (how to write for business, proper emails, write for clarity - this subject covers a lot), language interests, computer skills, or speech. The level of speech does a make a difference how people relate to you but if you're a specialist - as long as they understand you without difficulty, you're golden.

Laura

I just want to chime in to say that being able to articulate the sounds of English correctly and use the prosidic elements of English correctly does not mean a person can write in any sort of intelligible way. I go to medical school with people who have perfect hearing but who can't compose a coherent sentence.

It turns out that Deaf, deaf, and hard of hearing people can do everything hearing people can, except hear. We can be doctors, lawyers, firefighters, teachers, artists, professors, factory workers, lumberjacks, and any other imaginable job (except maybe whale song researcher).

To the original poster, if you think speech therapy will help you, or if you find yourself hesitant to speak because you are worried if you will be understood then try it.
But never, ever, be afraid to speak (or write, or yell, or sign) something because you are worried about what people might think.
That is something I struggle with.

 

[deafdyke]

And Laura, you're implying that the ability to go " boo be bah" really well somehow translates into better success. Speech quality doesn't mean you'll have more or better opportunities.

 

[ecp]

And Laura, you're implying that the ability to go " boo be bah" really well somehow translates into better success. Speech quality doesn't mean you'll have more or better opportunities.

I tried to PM you, deafdyke, but the forum said you turned off PMs (ha. pms)
I have some questions for you/we seem to have many common ideas. If you want to chat PM me with some way (email is best) to contact you.

Peace,
Ecp

 

[CSign]

And Laura, you're implying that the ability to go " boo be bah" really well somehow translates into better success. Speech quality doesn't mean you'll have more or better opportunities.

How many years ago were you last in speech therapy? I would imagine its been a while, because good speech therapy is about a lot more than being able to articulate "boo be bah".

The fact is, oral skills can and do open up more job opportunities and can be beneficial to a person. If speech skills aren't a possibility for a person, that doesn't mean they won't be successful- it just means they will be more limited in their job opportunities.

 

[BecLak]

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And Laura, you're implying that the ability to go " boo be bah" really well somehow translates into better success. Speech quality doesn't mean you'll have more or better opportunities.

How many years ago were you last in speech therapy? I would imagine its been a while, because good speech therapy is about a lot more than being able to articulate "boo be bah".



The fact is, oral skills can and do open up more job opportunities and can be beneficial to a person. If speech skills aren't a possibility for a person, that doesn't mean they won't be successful- it just means they will be more limited in their job opportunities.

It is not oral skills on its own that lands people good jobs, but proper manners, protocol and respect for other people. In this technological era, there are many high-paying respectable jobs available that do not require oral skills.

 

[CSign]

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It is not oral skills on its own that lands people good jobs, but proper manners, protocol and respect for other people. In this technological era, there are many high-paying respectable jobs available that do not require oral skills.

Right. I never said stand alone oral skills will land a person a job- they must be qualified. And yes, there are great jobs out there that don't require oral skills (I essentially said that in my post)- they are just more few and far between.

It's just like having a college degree will open up more opportunities for a person, but not having a college degree doesn't preclude a person from being wildly successful (although those that are "wildly successful" are also more few and far between).

 

[Mountain Man]

I was raised hearing, and I did 5-10 hours a week of speech therapy for 15 or so years. I haven't done any since I started college last year, and I have noticed (and my friends have noticed) my speech declining. I didn't know ASL so speech was my primary means of communication, but now that I'm learning to sign do you think it's worth my time to go back?

That's an intensely personal decision. If you think the benefits of clearer speech are worth the time and effort of speech therapy then by all means, keep at it. If you think it's a lot of hassle with little if any benefit then don't. It's all about weighing the costs versus the rewards.

Of course the ideal solution would be for your friends to start learning sign language along with you so that you can choose which mode of communication suits you best in any particular situation.

 

[deafbirk]

I talk toooo much at work. But can't lipread. Being successful is more about your knowledge, personality and a dose of luck. If I could hear I would probaly have an even better job. . But no one is limited by being deaf alone

 

[deafdyke]

How many years ago were you last in speech therapy? I would imagine its been a while, because good speech therapy is about a lot more than being able to articulate "boo be bah".

The fact is, oral skills can and do open up more job opportunities and can be beneficial to a person. If speech skills aren't a possibility for a person, that doesn't mean they won't be successful- it just means they will be more limited in their job opportunities.

FYI, CSign, I had essentially graduated from spoken language therapy by the time I was five. In fact, I have a VERY HIGH verbal IQ, even for a hearing person. I however had to spend literally years in speech working on the really boring ass stuff like articulation, pitch, volume etc. In fact I have the quintessial deaf kid memory of sitting in the speech therapist's office learning to say the "th" sound. Even with ALL those years of speech therapy, I still do not have perfect like hearing person speech. Very few dhh kids ( even those in really good oral preschools like CID) have perfect like hearing speech....heck, I remember being surprised a couple of years ago, being told by someone who works with CI kids, that " you don't talk like a deaf person." I thought she was talking about language quality, and said so. She said " no, I work with CI kids. You don't talk like they do" Yet, I STILL pretty much have a very noticeable deaf accent, and NO AMOUNT of speech therapy is going to get my speech skills as good as a hearing person's.

 

[CSign]

FYI, CSign, I had essentially graduated from spoken language therapy by the time I was five. In fact, I have a VERY HIGH verbal IQ, even for a hearing person. I however had to spend literally years in speech working on the really boring ass stuff like articulation, pitch, volume etc. In fact I have the quintessial deaf kid memory of sitting in the speech therapist's office learning to say the "th" sound. Even with ALL those years of speech therapy, I still do not have perfect like hearing person speech. Very few dhh kids ( even those in really good oral preschools like CID) have perfect like hearing speech....heck, I remember being surprised a couple of years ago, being told by someone who works with CI kids, that " you don't talk like a deaf person." I thought she was talking about language quality, and said so. She said " no, I work with CI kids. You don't talk like they do" Yet, I STILL pretty much have a very noticeable deaf accent, and NO AMOUNT of speech therapy is going to get my speech skills as good as a hearing person's.

My question was... How long ago were you last in speech therapy?

You answered, "FYI, CSign, I had essentially graduated from spoken language therapy by the time I was five.".

Then, you go on to say..."I however had to spend literally years in speech working on the really boring ass stuff like articulation, pitch, volume etc"

So, you essentially graduated from speech- but not enough (according to your statement) to discontinue speech services.

So, how many years ago were you in speech therapy? 5? 10? 15?

I could not decipher an answer from your post.

It just seems that you either haven't been in speech for a long time, or you had a number of really bad speech therapists.

Speech therapy can be a beneficial thing if it's something a person wants to work on- and it's much more than saying "boo be bah".

It just depends on whether or not an individual determines it's worthwhile for them.

 

[BecLak]

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FYI, CSign, I had essentially graduated from spoken language therapy by the time I was five. In fact, I have a VERY HIGH verbal IQ, even for a hearing person. I however had to spend literally years in speech working on the really boring ass stuff like articulation, pitch, volume etc. In fact I have the quintessial deaf kid memory of sitting in the speech therapist's office learning to say the "th" sound. Even with ALL those years of speech therapy, I still do not have perfect like hearing person speech. Very few dhh kids ( even those in really good oral preschools like CID) have perfect like hearing speech....heck, I remember being surprised a couple of years ago, being told by someone who works with CI kids, that " you don't talk like a deaf person." I thought she was talking about language quality, and said so. She said " no, I work with CI kids. You don't talk like they do" Yet, I STILL pretty much have a very noticeable deaf accent, and NO AMOUNT of speech therapy is going to get my speech skills as good as a hearing person's.

My question was... How long ago were you last in speech therapy?

You answered, "FYI, CSign, I had essentially graduated from spoken language therapy by the time I was five.".

Then, you go on to say..."I however had to spend literally years in speech working on the really boring ass stuff like articulation, pitch, volume etc"

So, you essentially graduated from speech- but not enough (according to your statement) to discontinue speech services.

So, how many years ago were you in speech therapy? 5? 10? 15?

I could not decipher an answer from your post.

It just seems that you either haven't been in speech for a long time, or you had a number of really bad speech therapists.

Speech therapy can be a beneficial thing if it's something a person wants to work on- and it's much more than saying "boo be bah".

It just depends on whether or not an individual determines it's worthwhile for them.

What gives you the right to say anything on the topic of speech therapy....have you ever had to go through it yourself?

 

[CSign]

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What gives you the right to say anything on the topic of speech therapy....have you ever had to go through it yourself?

Do you disagree with anything I've said in these posts?

Do you disagree that speech can be beneficial if it's something the individual decides is worthwhile for them?

No, I have not myself been in speech therapy. I have been actively involved in my child's education and I sat in on many therapy sessions, as well as did research and asked questions. So yes, I have formulated opinions on things over the years.

 

[Frisky Feline]

Do you disagree with anything I've said in these posts?

Do you disagree that speech can be beneficial if it's something the individual decides is worthwhile for them?

No, I have not myself been in speech therapy. I have been actively involved in my child's education and I sat in on many therapy sessions, as well as did research and asked questions. So yes, I have formulated opinions on things over the years.

True, but emotional and mental in speech therapy, no.

 

[BecLak]

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Do you disagree with anything I've said in these posts?





Do you disagree that speech can be beneficial if it's something the individual decides is worthwhile for them?





No, I have not myself been in speech therapy. I have been actively involved in my child's education and I sat in on many therapy sessions, as well as did research and asked questions. So yes, I have formulated opinions on things over the years.

True, but emotional and mental in speech therapy, no.

 

[Smithtr]

I talk toooo much at work. But can't lipread. Being successful is more about your knowledge, personality and a dose of luck. If I could hear I would probaly have an even better job. . But no one is limited by being deaf alone

you fail on oral speech didn't successfully!

you profoundly deaf?

 

[deafdyke]

My question was... How long ago were you last in speech therapy?

You answered, "FYI, CSign, I had essentially graduated from spoken language therapy by the time I was five.".

Then, you go on to say..."I however had to spend literally years in speech working on the really boring ass stuff like articulation, pitch, volume etc"

So, you essentially graduated from speech- but not enough (according to your statement) to discontinue speech services.

So, how many years ago were you in speech therapy? 5? 10? 15?

I could not decipher an answer from your post.

It just seems that you either haven't been in speech for a long time, or you had a number of really bad speech therapists.

Speech therapy can be a beneficial thing if it's something a person wants to work on- and it's much more than saying "boo be bah".

It just depends on whether or not an individual determines it's worthwhile for them.

16 years ago. Things haven't changed. learning the mechanics of speech is just REALLY fucking boring, and tedious. tnhas nothing to do with not having talented speech therapists. I I have a suggestion. Why don't you take French lessons while wearing earplugs? See how easy and fun it is learning to make sounds you cannot hear.
Even better...Go and see Professor Henry Higgins and practice saying " the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain for years and years and years. it might be kinda fun early on....but wait a few years.

 

[CSign]

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I see. So you don't actually disagree with what I've written in this thread, you just disagree because it's me. for clarifying.

 

[CSign]

16 years ago.

So it has been quite some time since you've been in therapy. That makes sense.
Things haven't changed.
You're right. Some things haven't changed- although many things have.
learning the mechanics of speech is just REALLY fucking boring, and tedious. tnhas nothing to do with not having talented speech therapists.
We weren't discussing whether it was boring or not. The discussion is whether or not it's worth it. The consensus seems to be that is based on the individual.

I I have a suggestion. Why don't you take French lessons while wearing earplugs? See how easy and fun it is learning to make sounds you cannot hear.
Even better...Go and see Professor Henry Higgins and practice saying " the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain for years and years and years. it might be kinda fun early on....but wait a few years.

If I felt your suggestion would be beneficial to me and my life, I would absolutely go see Professor Henry Higgins and practice that great one liner.