Yemeni Girl

Reba said:
I see. You weren't referring to the United States. Thanks for the clarification.
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Thank you for asking about clarification. I don't know much about the feminist movement in the States, although I wouldn't be surprised as well if it resemble the same situation as described above. Although that would be more of cultural and social stigma than legal, right?

All I know is that every single historians and anthropologists I have talked to said idea of "love" in marriage in western civilization is a romanticized idea that only developed in the 1970s onward during the American counter-culture feminist movement. However, like I said, I can only relate to what my family spoke about, not what Americans spoke about.

Either way, at least there is an attempt to not allow marriage until they are 17 in the Yemeni parliament, even though there are oppositions (but since when there isn't strong opposition to every progressive changes in history?) All it require is someone to keep applying more pressure on the government.

The Yemeni parliament tried in February to pass a law, setting the minimum marriage age at 17. But the measure has not reached the president because many parliamentarians argued it violates sharia, or Islamic law, which does not stipulate a minimum age.
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souggy said:
...All I know is that every single historians and anthropologists I have talked to said idea of "love" in marriage in western civilization is a romanticized idea that only developed in the 1970s onward during the American counter-culture feminist movement....
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I don't want to derail this thread, so perhaps you would like to start a new one on this topic.

I strongly disagree with the 1970's statement. Just a peek at American literature and movies prior to 1970 will show you that romantic love and marriages for love's sake were abundant in America long before the feminist movement. If anything, the feminist movement was against marriage for love--in fact, they weren't particularly fond of marriage period.

I was in my 20's during the militant American feminist period, so I know that era from personal life experience, not just reading history. :)
 
Reba said:
The point is, she was too young to be given in marriage to the guy who impregnated her.

Even if abortion was legal in Yemen, do you seriously believe her husband would have allowed her to get one? If she somehow was able to get an abortion without his permission do you believe he would have let her live?

The focus should be on child brides. Even if they don't become pregnant at a young age, they are abused. How will abortion stop that?
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while underage marriage is allowable in Yemen, it is evident that too-young girl and teens can die from pregnancy. A proof of why abortion should remain an option in America in case a young girl like her get impregnated by her step-father, stranger, etc. Child bride isn't an issue in America as it is illegal but her death resulting from birth complication is same as here.
 
No worries. It just that this topic was related to women's right in the Middle East. So it seems to be relevant at the time of the post, although it is not... Not really at all.

Elevating the legal age to marry will do wonder for them, although to see major changes over there-- they need to redefine the concept of property and wealth (hence dowry.) It makes me smile to see Palestinian and Israeli-Arab women speak up about these issues in the Middle East, and obviously their messages are spreading as far as Yemen throughout the Islamic world.

Nothing's wrong with the old Islamic way, but it is at the stage where the old system is no longer beneficial and it's just time to reassess themselves. You know? Things have to change to be able to keep up with the people. (Kinda like the concept of child's rights didn't exist until it reared its ugly head in the factory system as people moved from the countryside to urban centres.)

And no abortion legality will change women's rights (as far as rape, arranged marriage and so on go) over there, but giving them the ability to deter themselves from men will be able to empower them and escape from the abuses they encounter. Abortion won't really do anything for that 12-years old, but not being required to marry until much later would had help her a lot more than that incident.
 
Reba said:
I see. You weren't referring to the United States. Thanks for the clarification.
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It did happened in USA. Quoting from USATODAY.com - Dream house, sans spouse: More women buy homes : "Before 1974, when Congress amended the Fair Housing Act to stop sex discrimination, it was hard for single women to get a mortgage, or even a credit card, in their own names.

If a woman was married, her income was usually discounted on a loan application, Coontz recalls, because the bank assumed she would stop working once she had children."
 
Jiro said:
while underage marriage is allowable in Yemen, it is evident that too-young girl and teens can die from pregnancy. A proof of why abortion should remain an option in America in case a young girl like her get impregnated by her step-father, stranger, etc. Child bride isn't an issue in America as it is illegal but her death resulting from birth complication is same as here.
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If you wanted to discuss abortion in America, why did you start a thread about a Yemeni child bride? It doesn't make sense.

Oh, well.
 
Buffalo said:
It did happened in USA. Quoting from USATODAY.com - Dream house, sans spouse: More women buy homes : "Before 1974, when Congress amended the Fair Housing Act to stop sex discrimination, it was hard for single women to get a mortgage, or even a credit card, in their own names.

If a woman was married, her income was usually discounted on a loan application, Coontz recalls, because the bank assumed she would stop working once she had children."
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How bizarre. I had a credit card in my own name before 1974, as a lowly enlisted person (meaning low income).

However, it did say "hard" not "impossible."

But we are getting off track.

Child marriage is a bad thing.
 
Reba said:
If you wanted to discuss abortion in America, why did you start a thread about a Yemeni child bride? It doesn't make sense.

Oh, well.
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hence the last sentence of my thread post. the article was to strengthen my support for abortion in America.
 
Jiro said:
hence the last sentence of my thread post. the article was to strengthen my support for abortion in America.
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Not really. Why?

The person was at the mercy of her husband. You can only have pro-choice/pro-abortion argument if the person is not subjected under the control of another person.

Edit: Otherwise it's putting the cart ahead of the horse.
 
souggy said:
Not really. Why?

The person was at the mercy of her husband. You can only have pro-choice/pro-abortion argument if the person is not subjected under the control of another person.

Edit: Otherwise it's putting the cart ahead of the horse.
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so the child is pregnant as the result of rape.... she is most likely going to die if abortion option is not available. In most cases - the parents opt for abortion.
 
rockin'robin said:
A child (who becomes pregnant because of incest) or any woman/child who has been raped....abortion is OK in my book....
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I completely agree. Under extreme circumstances, it is a necessity. However, if someone decides to sleep around and gets pregnant, then the child deserves to live and possibly go through an adoption.

This is a really sad story. :( It's also quite disturbing.
 
Jiro said:
medical neglect? where?
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the cause of her death was lack of medical care
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That's what it said in the article. There was nothing in the article about abortion.

There have been children who were even younger giving birth. This does not condone it by any means but if you are going to try to condone abortion by point out a sad case like this from a country like yeman, you must be getting quite desperate.

There are women who die after abortion in the west.
 
dreama said:
This case is very sad but it has NOTHING to do with abortion. She died of medical neglect, not of child birth.
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I agree. Relating this article to abortion is a bit of a stretch.
 
dreama said:
That's what it said in the article.
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sorry but I don't see it anywhere in the article that points to medical neglect. This young girl died as the result of childbirth complication, not medical neglect. In case you didn't know, all childbirths come with bleeding, sometimes severe.

dreama said:
There was nothing in the article about abortion.
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Sorry but read the OP. since this is my thread - I can use this article to support my stance. if you have a problem with it, there's a door :)

dreama said:
There have been children who were even younger giving birth. This does not condone it by any means but if you are going to try to condone abortion by point out a sad case like this from a country like yeman, you must be getting quite desperate.
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Desperate? not at all. I'm supporting the availability of OPTION on the table. If they do not wish to opt for it, that's fine. Child rape happens all the time in here as well. The difference is - we have abortion as an available option.

dreama said:
There are women who die after abortion in the west.
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yes but this is not about women who died as the result of abortion. You can go ahead and make a thread about it :)
 
Jiro said:
hence the last sentence of my thread post. the article was to strengthen my support for abortion in America.
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Sorry, it still doesn't fit. Whatever is happening to girls in Yemen doesn't support anything in the USA. If you have a strong case for your position on American abortions then you don't need to go as far as Yemen for support.
 
Reba said:
Sorry, it still doesn't fit. Whatever is happening to girls in Yemen doesn't support anything in the USA. If you have a strong case for your position on American abortions then you don't need to go as far as Yemen for support.
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We already had a strong case in America. That's why the abortion ban was overturned 36 years ago :)

Whatever is happening in Yemen is what's happening in rest of the developing world. As you know - pregnancy and childbirths are leading causes of death in teenage girls (age 15 - 19) in developing world (UNICEF).
 
Jiro said:
so the child is pregnant as the result of rape.... she is most likely going to die if abortion option is not available. In most cases - the parents opt for abortion.
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Her parents surrendered their control of her. Her husband was in control. In other words, the rapist was in charge. The poor girl was at the mercy of her rapist's medical decisions for her.

A failure of epic proportions.
 
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