Why my wife and I want our children to hear and speak a little.

Fragmenter said:
Speech isn't hard at all if you've been doing it all your life which is the case for my children. I didn't say jaw-flapping in the first place but you twisted it into that.
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Jaw-flapping is my nickname for oral speech. Of course I know about it being easier if I grew up with it because, as a hearing child of hearing parents, I grew up with it myself. But this is of course largely, if not mostly, due to the fact that I could hear it normally all my life.
Fragmenter said:
Literacy? Why do most deaf people that didn't waste their time with speech training struggle with literacy?
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Do you have statistics to back this up?
Fragmenter said:
If you want to talk about jobs, then click on the link in my first post and come back here. I'm lucky to hold a nice job myself and I know I worked twice as hard as the next hearing person for that opportunity. I still work twice as hard to keep it.
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You can't keep going around assuming it's your deafness. You do have a right to sue if you are being discriminated against for being deaf.

Fragmenter said:
About the personal attacks, isn't "jaw-flapping" a put down? This is not a one-way street, you peabrain.
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Isn't "peabrain" a put-down?

And why the heck would I "put down" my "native" form of communication? Why are you so sensitive about that term? I am using it as a joke. I don't think there's anything wrong with "jaw-flapping". I use it every day, and I also use signing daily. As a hearing person, oral communication comes quite easily to me.
 
gnulinuxman said:
Fragmenter said:
If you want to talk about jobs, then click on the link in my first post and come back here. I'm lucky to hold a nice job myself and I know I worked twice as hard as the next hearing person for that opportunity. I still work twice as hard to keep it.
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You can't keep going around assuming it's your deafness. You do have a right to sue if you are being discriminated against for being deaf.
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I don't think you get it. look at the topic of this thread. hmm...
 
Thanks, Boult! :rofl:

Jaw-flapping is a put down. You and I know it. I called you a peabrain to even the score, OK?
 
I had to admit I did a double-take when a hearing person calls talking "jaw flapping." It sounds to me (my opinion) but based on all the arguements I've seen Gnu present, more and more I'm convinced that he hates being able to hear. Am I the only one who sees this?
 
Fragmenter said:
Thanks, Boult! :rofl:

Jaw-flapping is a put down. You and I know it. I called you a peabrain to even the score, OK?
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What did I call you?

Besides, "jaw-flapping" is a just a joke in the hearing world. It's not a put-down.
 
neecy said:
I had to admit I did a double-take when a hearing person calls talking "jaw flapping." It sounds to me (my opinion) but based on all the arguements I've seen Gnu present, more and more I'm convinced that he hates being able to hear. Am I the only one who sees this?
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I don't hate it. I'm more playing devil's advocate than anything else.
 
neecy said:
It sounds to me (my opinion) but based on all the arguements I've seen Gnu present, more and more I'm convinced that he hates being able to hear. Am I the only one who sees this?
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I wouldn't be surprised to one day learn that he has poked an icepick in his ears just so he can support this "deafer-than-thou" mentality he already seems to have.
 
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Eve said:
neecy said:
It sounds to me (my opinion) but based on all the arguements I've seen Gnu present, more and more I'm convinced that he hates being able to hear. Am I the only one who sees this?
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I wouldn't be surprised to one day learn that he has poked an icepick in his ears just so he can support this "deafer-than-thou" mentality he already seems to have.
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I had the same feeling and posted it a couple of days ago. (Found it here .)
He mentioned that because of Autism he is bothered by some sounds, so perhaps there is an adversery to sounds.... but he doesn't qualify for CI which would allow him to turn sound on/off at will.

Then again, I also feel as if he disagrees just to start a discussion. He say's he's the "Devils Advocate" but I can't see it that way. It would mean that opinions could change in the face of evidence, but any evidence is just ignored.
 
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I've seen Gnu present, more and more I'm convinced that he hates being able to hear. Am I the only one who sees this?
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Oh no on the contrary, he loves the fact that he can hear and yet he indentifies himself with the deaf completely.
He thinks he have better input than us because he feels he is an expert on both sides.
I only wonder what have caused that he despite being hearing choosed to belong to the deaf world (not that there is anything wrong with that).

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Oh no on the contrary, he loves the fact that he can hear and yet he indentifies himself with the deaf completely.
He thinks he have better input than us because he feels he is an expert on both sides.
I only wonder what have caused that he despite being hearing choosed to belong to the deaf world (not that there is anything wrong with that).

Fuzzy
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The silence.
 
gnulinuxman said:
I don't hate it. I'm more playing devil's advocate than anything else.
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Oh well. They do say that talk is cheap.
 
Eve said:
I wouldn't be surprised to one day learn that he has poked an icepick in his ears just so he can support this "deafer-than-thou" mentality he already seems to have.
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Why would I do that? :dunno:
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Oh no on the contrary, he loves the fact that he can hear and yet he indentifies himself with the deaf completely.
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Well, it doesn't matter to me that much. I am part of both worlds and probably will be for the rest of my life.
Audiofuzzy said:
He thinks he have better input than us because he feels he is an expert on both sides.
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I don't think I'm an expert, but I do post from experience and what my deaf friends tell me.
Audiofuzzy said:
I only wonder what have caused that he despite being hearing choosed to belong to the deaf world (not that there is anything wrong with that).
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Well, I am in both worlds. It's fairly common in autistics to identify with Deaf Culture, and I am autistic. Culturally Deaf people tend to understand me better, too. Hearing people think I'm just totally weird, and culturally Deaf people wish there were more hearing guys like me.
 
Cloggy said:
I had the same feeling and posted it a couple of days ago. (Found it here .)
He mentioned that because of Autism he is bothered by some sounds, so perhaps there is an adversery to sounds.... but he doesn't qualify for CI which would allow him to turn sound on/off at will.
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I wouldn't want a CI even if I qualified for one. And yes, hearing autistics have an aversion to some sounds, particularly loud or high-pitched ones. (my fiancee is deaf and also has autism, so that's why I said "hearing autistics").

Cloggy said:
Then again, I also feel as if he disagrees just to start a discussion. He say's he's the "Devils Advocate" but I can't see it that way. It would mean that opinions could change in the face of evidence, but any evidence is just ignored.
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Evidence of what?
 
Uhhhhhhh just my 2 cent, aren't you guys derailing this thread? if u need to talk abt the fact the hearies wanna become deaf, then create another thread pls!

getting back on topic,

Frag, i respect your wishes for wanting to give your kids the best education possible and going to oral school same time better thier lives and so on. pretty much alot of poeple have said what i wld have said, those who disagrees, well its on thier opioion, you are a father and yr wife and family are those that matters the most, u have ur reason and i respect them for that. Good luck on the endevors :)
 
:popcorn: I am jumping in late on this thread, but I want everyone to be aware that I am Fragmenter's mom and I am proud to see him carrying on this discussion and my husband and I stand by him and his wife all the way... We found out over a week ago about their considering CI for their son, our grandson and now we are convinced they are moving in the right direction for him. Mind you, we have been SO against CI ever since it begun up until our first conversation with Fragmenter and his wife. My husband and I are very willing to keep an open mind and listen to their reasonings and I have discussed with a few deaf peers and for the most part, I have found them to positively respond. An oral school here in our city has been graduating their students (most of them have CI) at the fourth grade level and sending them on to public schools AND that school used to graduate the students up to the 8th grade level! I was very surprised to hear (well, yes us deafies are allowed to use that word, aren't we?!?) this bit of news.
Very good thread! Just don't mind those trying to stir up the pot without opening up their minds and consider the facts.
 
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