Why my wife and I want our children to hear and speak a little.

gnulinuxman said:
I just keep wondering what you have against signing. If you want people to have a full "communications toolbox", signing is a good tool that would be better if more people had that tool.
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OMG... Please to show me where he ever suggested that he had anything against signing... Geeze!!! Unless I have missed something here, my impression is that Fragmentor is just adding another tool to the "total communication" toolbox. I didn't see anywhere that he was removing ASL.
 
rockdrummer said:
OMG... Please to show me where he ever suggested that he had anything against signing... Geeze!!! Unless I have missed something here, my impression is that Fragmentor is just adding another tool to the "total communication" toolbox. I didn't see anywhere that he was removing ASL.
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Why dont you record the sound of your drums and send it to Jamaica community to see if they understand your message? Isn't that part of the total communication toolbox?
 
He's not going to become oralist so no need for him to experience and he already saw what his wife can do. And he just want his kids mainstreamed.
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Are you telling me that Fragment is a failure for being deaf and couldnt communicte with hearing people because he cannot speak or hear ?? Are you telling me his wife has a very strong influence on him while her attitude is audist that changes his own mind. Is he jealousy of his wife or anyone else?? It doenst make any sense


Is a very good excuse for him to show he is a failure deaf?? I THINK NOT!

Why do we get the impression that we are not welcomed into a hearing community until we follow their rules that it must be hear and orally speaking only? I THINK NOT.. because it s totally unfair to force us for hearing 's sakes before Deaf people 's alternative needs. I was not accepted because I am being deaf and can speak except hear. Thats what it gives me an impression that people think we are a failure for not able to hear. Scoffs!

We deafies did our best that we can speak with our speech impairment as usual that you cannot expect us to speak perfect that you want us to do.. Why cant you just accept us no matter what? It seems that it s forever that hearing world doesnt accept us for who we are and thinks ASL is not a real language. JEEZ!

HA or CI are no difference because we deafies all still cannot hear everything.. Thats the whole answer. SO BE IT!

That s why I stood up and fed up with your audist attitude?

That is a real ASL extremist and his claim to pretend that he know about us deaf oralist's struggle after all he doesnt know the whole truth while some of you are not being honest with him.

So therefore I would say CI is a failure in many ways.

It s getting old news that we are still dealing with the old audism 's attitude going on and on today. Sighs!

Rolling my eyes!
Sweetmind
 
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Mookie said:
Why dont you record the sound of your drums and send it to Jamaica community to see if they understand your message? Isn't that part of the total communication toolbox?
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yet another comment by Mookie that adds so much value to the conversation. Well done!!
 
i just want to thank everyone who stood up for me and ____-- i think that (no names) are just trying to be argumentative and just plain like to rock the boat.. :bump: they are not willing to be open-minded and to absorb everything and research for the best solution
i also really appreciate all the input -- it really helps to learn as much as i can and from different sources
 
Bilingual/Bicultural (Bi/Bi) – Relies upon American Sign Language, a naturally-evolved and complete manual language used by culturally Deaf people in the United States . English is often taught secondarily through reading and writing. ASL is typically presented without voice because spoken English does not correlate word-for-word with ASL.
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LOOK AT ME as deaf oralist with HA who took all kind of aritifical languages that relates to spoken language without ASL around me in the classrooms. QUIT using ASL in your lame excuses. Audism people screwed me and my brain system up real good all those years and years.

I dont write perfect english written. NO ONE DOES anyways. JEEZ!!!!!!!

LOOK at FRANK TURK, LINDA BOVE, PHILLIP FLETCHER, Matthew Moore, Steve Nover , Keith Cagle, James Magness, Frank Amana, and many Deaf professionals who write English written very well while they are using American Sign Language..

YOu dont want to hear the truth so you are looking for an excuses to blame on ASL. JEEZ!! Tell me why there are so many Deaf and deaf oralists from mainstream and deaf school that failed them too. It s already evidence in this forum. So be it!


GRRRR at audism people with a very negative view of our deafness who thinks we are inferior d/Deaf people. POOR reason for you to point that out.

Parents/Teachers at any schools was not even bother to learn ASL from the start.

I am very pissed NOW.
 
i think that (no names) are just trying to be argumentative and just plain like to rock the boat.. they are not willing to be open-minded and to absorb everything and research for the best solution
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So are you? Thats other oralism extremist!
 
Sweetmind - they are HIS children and HIS choice in the way they are educated. If he chooses an oral approach THAT IS HIS RIGHT. Back off - he has seen BOTH SIDES of the coin (ASL vs Oral) and has made the choice that he percieves as providing the best possible education for his children. You want to dictate how a deaf child is educated - do that to your own children, but don't tell other people what to do - that's none of your business. His wife was raised orally and he sees how well she broaches the communication barriers between hearing and deaf and that is what he wants for his own children. I applaud him for wanting the best possible education for his children.

I also find it amusing that even a person who is born deaf, raised in an all-ASL education, is labelled an audist by you simply because he choses to use an oral approach in educating his own children.
 
It is difficult to learn English/French/German etc. unless you can understand and absorb the phonemics, deaf or hearing.

Cued English/Cued Speech makes this happen (yes I am bring this up yet again RoseImmortal :) ). I wish people would just "get it". I support making access to language as easy as possible.

I also find it ludicrous that some people are so biased, that they ae not willing to accept other people choices.

mtb
 
I also find it ludicrous that some people are so biased, that they ae not willing to accept other people choices.
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I DID NOT HAVE ANY CHOICES when I was a kid because they want to have me to think HEAR AND SPEAK .. that is what YOU want us to do for yourself or hearing people s sake.. JEEZ!!!!!!! You dont have any respect for Deaf people and Deaf Leaders all along. NO wonder why!

It s same thing going on and on until today which is full of your own audist attitude. :mad: Good excuses for you to force those kids to hear those devices after all we do not hear everything that is a big mistake from you guys / gals

Scoffs!
 
Sweetmind
Tell me why there are so many Deaf and deaf oralists from mainstream and deaf school that failed them too
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There are many variables for success and failure. To "blame" only one variable simply does not add up.
 
Sweetmind said:
I DID NOT HAVE ANY CHOICES when I was a kid because they want to have me to think HEAR AND SPEAK .. that is what YOU want us to do for yourself or hearing people s sake.. JEEZ!!!!!!! You dont have any respect for Deaf people and Deaf Leaders all along. NO wonder why!

It s same thing going on and on until today which is full of your own audist attitude. :mad: Good excuses for you to force those kids to hear those devices after all we do not hear everything that is a big mistake from you guys / gals

Scoffs!
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Sweetmind- you are, time and time again, using YOUR own personal experience to color what everybody in the world should do. You had a bad experience. I am VERY sorry for that, but that does not mean that every deaf child in the world will also experience what you did. Times have changed. Total communication approaches are becomming more commonplace - ASL *AND* Oral approaches combined. Even you can't deny that changes are being made, and that there is more understanding and tolerance in the world and the educational setting than ever before. It was terrible what you endured, but have faith that not every parent of a deaf child is like YOUR parents. Have faith in them to do the right thing- thats what parents do. :)
 
Let it go

Sweetmind said:
I DID NOT HAVE ANY CHOICES when I was a kid because they want to have me to think HEAR AND SPEAK .. that is what YOU want us to do for yourself or hearing people s sake.. JEEZ!!!!!!! You dont have any respect for Deaf people and Deaf Leaders all along. NO wonder why!

It s same thing going on and on until today which is full of your own audist attitude. :mad: Good excuses for you to force those kids to hear those devices after all we do not hear everything that is a big mistake from you guys / gals

Scoffs!
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Sweetmind,

I find your expectations very unattainable.

I have no respect for people who wish to continue supressing the abilities of deaf chidren by continually denying them literacy.

Psuedo-Asl from parents or school enviroments does not, nor ever will provide literacy.
 
sweetmind, i understand that you are a grandmother. may i ask if your children and grandchildren are deaf or hearing?
i am a grandmother myself, first generation deaf with 4 children (2 hearing and 2 deaf), grandmother of 9 of which 3 are deaf/hoh
i was raised oral but was introduced to the Deaf when i was 13 or 14 (and fell in love with my first husband and married him 5 or 6 years later and he was from a deaf family but our 2 kids are hearing)
i started learning sign language because i thought it ludricious having a deaf friend "interpret" for me when i tried talking to the Deaf and i consider myself Deaf (but i had to hide it from my parents cos they were afraid i would lose my speech if i used sign language)
i think i was about 16 or 17 when i finally told them the truth and asked them if they noticed any difference in my speech (i had transferred from an oral school, the same oral school that my daughter-in-law went to -- small world) and they said no.
i cannot understand the big deal about audism -- a childhood friend/ classmate is making a lot of noise about audism now and i must admit i do not like him for this and i do feel embarrassed for him -- he is a very smart man, i'm sorry to say this but this is how i feel
i also cannot understand why some of the Deaf are so against oralism -- it helps me get along better in the world -- i had a good government job and retired after 25 plus years and now i am a contractor with the same job -- i'm very thankful for my background -- i think it helps me to be a better rounded person
oh, and my present husband (who i love very much) was raised in a state school for the deaf and he is very liberal-minded and very open to new things; fragmenter and his sister have been exposed to all walks of Deaf, deaf, hoh, CI life -- they have friends who had CIs, some who still use them and some who stopped using them
sweetmind, my dear, i think you are angry and carrying all that anger at what happened to you -- it will help you a lot to let go of the past and to go on from here -- it is not very beneficial to you to continue holding the anger in yourself
i perceive you as being a very unhappy person...
 
i think i was about 16 or 17 when i finally told them the truth and asked them if they noticed any difference in my speech (i had transferred from an oral school, the same oral school that my daughter-in-law went to -- small world) and they said no. they did not see any difference in my speech because i had continued talking in public school -- i had to continue talking didn't i? :dunno:

sorry i realized i didn't finish my sentence (grin) -- i went into the public school at sixth grade and graduated from high school without an interpreter (wow! i look back and wonder how i did it but i remember it was very hard work)
 
Sweetmind,

I find your expectations very unattainable.

I have no respect for people who wish to continue supressing the abilities of deaf chidren by continually denying them literacy.

Psuedo-Asl from parents or school enviroments does not, nor ever will provide literacy.
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You are full of it since we are using our eyes and hands that we can learn from it. And encourage those deaf children to read read read read and write write by their own true expression feelings. Not by audism people who thinks I m wrong wrong wrong because it has to be their way not my own creative thinkings that I have not been used it when I was a kid. MIND YOU!

EARS do not think but Brain does think. Thank you! ;)

I finally realized I made my own improvement writing by read read and write write that I noticed something its not right in my writings so I edited as much as I can.. All i do get oppression by audism people who doesnt appreciate after all that hard work I DID in the deaf forums after I quit HA. It tells me a big difference from what I KNOW .

YOUR audist attitude tells everybody WE deaf MUST HEAR AND SPEAK ONLY! thats where the problem is still going on and on. You are not making any difference todays. For pete s sake!!!

EXCUSE EXCUSE EXCUSE as usual!!!!
 
Sweetmind said:
Well you dont read it every topic that I wrote.. I aint gonna to repeat it.. thank you!
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wow, sweetmind! you are SO defensive! trying to say something to you is like talking to a brick wall! :ugh2:
okay, you can continue with your unhappy life -- you are choosing to do so -- i'm sorry you feel like this. and have a good weekend if that is at all possible :whistle:
 
YOUR audist attitude tells everybody WE deaf MUST HEAR AND SPEAK ONLY! thats where the problem is still going on and on. You are not making any difference todays. For pete s sake!!!

man! you sound like a broken record! over and over and over and over (get it?) :roll:

well, go ahead and have a bad weekend

there's no use getting anything across to you :smash:
 
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