Who is right, Pelosi or Panetta?

[Hear Again]

I'll accept your statement if you'll say that it also applies to this:

"The sad truth is that if Pelosi were a Republican, none of this would even be of concern."

According to Rush, it wouldn't be an issue.

Aside from that, Democrats tend to criticize their own party far more than the Republicans do with the exception of the 2008 election.

 

[Jiro]

According to Rush, it wouldn't be an issue.

Aside from that, Democrats tend to criticize their own party far more than the Republicans do with the exception of the 2008 election.

Rush Limbaugh challenges MSNBC: Don’t mention me for 30 Days.

 

[Hear Again]

Rush Limbaugh challenges MSNBC: Don’t mention me for 30 Days.

That's funny!

 

[Hear Again]

Yes, it is disappointing that Speaker of the House can't do anything right. Maybe they selected the wrong person for the job.

I think it has more to do with the fact that Republicans love to hate Pelosi.

 

[Hear Again]

Yes, it is disappointing that Speaker of the House can't do anything right. Maybe they selected the wrong person for the job.

As far as Pelosi being the wrong choice for Speaker of the House, that's debatable. I'm sure Republicans would agree with you, but that comes as no surprise.

 

[Jiro]

What difference does that make? Him being a part of the Clinton Administration has nothing to do with whether or not Pelosi should resign. If I'm missing the reason why you brought this up, please let me know because I'm wondering what the relevancy is. Thanks!

1. see reba's post #126 and #138
2. see your posts #7 and #79

The sad truth is that if Pelosi were a Republican, none of this would even be of concern.

I agree. Republicans are acting the same way they accused the Democrats of acting when Palin was a VP candidate. (i.e. The Republicans don't seem to have any problem attacking Pelosi without cause yet they accused the Democrats of doing the same when it came to Palin.) If anyone is being hypocritical, it's the Republican party.

3. see jillio's post #5

The whole point is just the Repubs way of attempting to distract from the actual issue...did the U.S. engage in interrogation techniques that were illegal?

I think the assumption is pretty apparent that you gals think it's Republicans out to get Pelosi. and I know the title "CIA Director" has a history of public distrust as it represents plausible deniability. Just thought I should tell you that he happened to be President Clinton's Chief of Staff.

Also - this thread is about Panetta and Pelosi.... The background history on those people are important when it comes to judging their credibility. To reiterate - this is not about Republicans vs. Pelosi.

 

[Hear Again]

It doesn't bother you that the person third in line to the presidency can't be trusted to tell the truth?

Nothing has been proven either way. Therefore, your question is moot when it comes to Pelosi.

Aside from that, all politicians lie in one form or another. Why should Democrats be held to a higher ethical standard than the Republicans? No one held former President Bush accountable for claiming Iraq had WMDs and that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

no..... no...... no...... no.......... You misunderstood my action and my stance. They did question Nancy's colleague especially her top aide. What you think how did the whole thing backfired at Pelosi? Investigation (which was demanded by Obama) has uncovered that Pelosi was involved - a direct contradiction to her denial of her involvement. Who knows what will the investigation uncover? This is why Obama needs to move on and fix the mess, not turn over every rock and see what's underneath because it will undoubtedly stain his Administration.

For your information. I understand prefect what the whole thread is about but I has the right to express my opinion over the difference between Bush & his people and Nancy.

Huh? Nancy do not deny that she knew torture issues. How could she involved when she has no power to authortize the torture?

Yes, she knew but she is not allow to say anything out to the public until they questioned her. It does the same that I am not allow to spread the information about US Government policy out to the public.

 

[Jiro]

I think it has more to do with the fact that Republicans love to hate Pelosi.

Now that is an attempt to distract from the actual issue. Why is it Republican this, Republican that? Pelosi's statement -

"We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the intelligence community who are deeply committed to the safety and security of the American people. My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep our country safe. What is important now is to be united in our commitment to ensuring the security of our country; that, and how Congress exercises its oversight responsibilities, will continue to be my focus as we move forward."

Now that is a very very very serious allegation especially from a person who is 3rd in the line to the presidency. You don't hear bunch of other members of House Intelligence Committee stating about being misled by CIA, don't you?

link

"Either the CIA needs to be held accountable for their performance during this time, or the speaker needs to be held accountable and be responsible for the actions and the statements that she made last week," Hoekstra said.

if the probe found that CIA misled her, then shame on CIA.
if the probe found that Pelosi lied, then she needs to apologize and resign.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes. But this is about Pelosi and her mess. She needs to resign before she becomes a liability for Obama. Hear Again disagrees so we'll just agree to disagree. I only have a simple question for Obama since he's demanding an investigation - is it worth it? - hence the last sentence of my post #39

You are on Panetta´s side over Pelsoi and made an assumption about her and want her resign... and said NOTHING about Bush Admin. and their worst lies in other threads...

You ignored my question twice about my other thread over CIA destory memos, tapes, etc.


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I have another link for you...

HOUSE DEMOCRAT ALLEGES CIA MISTAKE

Posted: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:17 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: Congress, Security, Mike Viqueira

From NBC's Mike Viqueira and Mark Murray
Here's the latest in the back-and-forth between the House Democratic leadership and the Central Intelligence Agency: House Appropriations Chairman David Obey has fired off a letter to CIA Director Leon Panetta, pointing out that the CIA mistakenly listed that an Appropriations staffer sat in on a key CIA briefing in 2006.

Of course, the CIA listing House Speaker Pelosi sitting in on a similar 2002 briefing -- and suggesting that she learned of controversial interrogation techniques like waterboarding there -- is at the heart of the dispute over what Pelosi knew about the practices and when she knew it.

The full letter:

May 18, 2009
The Honorable Leon Panetta
Director
Central Intelligence Agency
Washington, DC 20505

Dear Director Panetta:

In light of current controversy about CIA briefing practices, I was surprised to learn that the agency erroneously listed an appropriations staffer as being in a key briefing on September 19, 2006, when in fact he was not.

The list the agency released entitled "Member Briefings on Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (EITs)", shows that House Appropriations Committee defense appropriations staffer Paul Juola was in that briefing on that date.

In fact, Mr. Juola recollects that he walked members to the briefing room, met General Hayden and Mr.Walker, who were the briefers, and was told that he could not attend the briefing. We request that you immediately correct this record.

Sincerely,
David R. Obey

House Democrat alleges CIA mistake - First Read - msnbc.com

Jiro´s postAny intelligence mind can piece them together on who you're referring to. Your post was in response to Hear Again's post which was in response to my post about Bush.


yes but this is about Pelosi and her mess. Pelosi contributed to this mess. She's the ranking Democrat who sits in House Intelligence Committee. The blood is on her hands..... "I did not know!" is not an acceptable answer. Reminds you of Third Reich, eh? Pelosi - shut up and get out.

It's an absurd argument.

 

[Jiro]

Nothing has been proven either way. Therefore, your question is moot when it comes to Pelosi.

Aside from that, all politicians lie in one form or another. Why should Democrats be held to a higher ethical standard than the Republicans? No one held former President Bush accountable for claiming Iraq had WMDs and that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11.

It's the people - both Democrats and Republicans who enabled Bush. Last time I remember - this is not a dictatorship. Bush cannot do this alone even with his executive orders. To hold President Bush accountable, that means we have to hold dozens other people responsible as well. That means Hillary Clinton included as she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, please tell me. Why are there people still call me ignorant, racist, hateful tart, and etc etc when they told me it is a fact that "I" am really, and it's part of speech of freedom? :shrug: I see people are doing a such silly thing.

=/

*nodding agreement* I notice it, too. This is very ignorant of them to use those word "freedom of speech" to spat you with nasty names when they know it´s not true.

 

[Hear Again]

It's the people - both Democrats and Republicans who enabled Bush. Last time I remember - this is not a dictatorship. Bush cannot do this alone even with his executive orders. To hold President Bush accountable, that means we have to hold dozens other people responsible as well. That means Hillary Clinton included as she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq.

You seem to be forgetting that Congress would not have approved the war if it were not for former President Bush indicating that he wanted to attack Iraq.

 

[Hear Again]

Jiro,

Let's agree to disagree regarding former President Bush and the war in Iraq. We will always have differing viewpoints and never see eye to eye as far as either are concerned.

 

[Jiro]

You seem to be forgetting that Congress would not have approved the war if it were not for former President Bush indicating that he wanted to attack Iraq.

but they did.

Jiro,

Let's agree to disagree regarding former President Bush and the war in Iraq. We will always have differing viewpoints and never see eye to eye as far as either are concerned.

Nothing to agree to disagree on. This is not about Bush and war in Iraq.

 

[Jiro]

For your information. I understand prefect what the whole thread is about but I has the right to express my opinion over the difference between Bush & his people and Nancy.

who is exactly "his" people???? The Republican Party does not like Bush!!!

Huh? Nancy do not deny that she knew torture issues. How could she involved when she has no power to authortize the torture?

Yes, she knew but she is not allow to say anything out to the public until they questioned her. It does the same that I am not allow to spread the information about US Government policy out to the public.

in this country - you are allowed to voice your objection. Pelosi did not make any objection. No such record of her objections to the interrogation techniques existed.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Let me help you understand the title: Who is right, Pelosi or Panetta?

Pelosi said the CIA lied to her.

Panetta said the CIA did not lie to Pelosi.

They can't both be right.

The answer is a so simple. Let me help you understand why I said in my POV that your title make no sense "Who is right, Pelosi or Panetta"

You can say what you remember and other can say what he/she remember.

It doesn´t mean that they are right/wrong or lies because they remember differently.

All what I want to say is: this thread here is an absurd because Nancy´s "mistake" or "lie" as what the posters call her killed nobody but Bush Admin... The people cry for want Nancy resign for lie...... Absurd...:roll:

I only remember the victims who claimed that they were being suffer thru horrible torture by US agents, soldiers, etc. I am on victims´s side over both sides because it´s them who experienced it. I really don´t care which right or wrong that´s becasue they remember differently.

 

[Hear Again]

but they did.


Nothing to agree to disagree on. This is not about Bush and war in Iraq.

I was talking about accountability which has everything to do with this thread. To be specific, I said that if one expects Pelosi to be accountable, former President Bush should too. That's why I mentioned the war in Iraq, so it is not considered off-topic.

 

[Hear Again]

but they did.

So? That's not the point. Just because Congress approved the war doesn't mean it was justified.

Anyways, this is considered off-topic, so I will say nothing more.

 

[Jiro]

You are on Panetta´s side over Pelsoi and made an assumption about her and want her resign... and said NOTHING about Bush Admin. and their worst lies in other threads...

You ignored my question twice about my other thread over CIA destory memos, tapes, etc.


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:topic:

and I never said I'm on Panetta's side. Where did I say that? I wanted her to resign because she sucks - REREAD MY POSTS... not because she may or may have lied. It's separate issue. About CIA & Pelosi - see my last sentences in my post #149

I have another link for you...

I'm not sure why did you show me this but you just proved my point. Thank you.

from your article you just gave me -

Of course, the CIA listing House Speaker Pelosi sitting in on a similar 2002 briefing -- and suggesting that she learned of controversial interrogation techniques like waterboarding there -- is at the heart of the dispute over what Pelosi knew about the practices and when she knew it.