WHAT IF religious don't exist in the world?

[The*Empress]

1. I am not "judging" simply stating a fact - the specifically mentioned acts of violence were as a direct result of religious furvor. 9-11 by Muslims and the Pogroms and the Crusades by Christians.


So the world is better off without religion.

Was the world better before Jesus Christ came to this world?
And was the world better before Muslim religion was established around 300 AD?

Jewish people didn't intend for everybody to be Jewish. They don't care if there are only a thousand of them. They don't care about having an international Jewish religion. They were holding on to their religion as a private and personal family.
They were like Japaneses in small little Japan, who want nothing to do with the world and Jewish just want their small little land Israel.
2. YOU don't accept gays, you are a Christian and you claim your religion teaches you NOT to accept gays. I DO accept gays (I am bisexual after all), and I am ALSO a Christian, and I believe my Bible instructs me to love others as myself. I have also given you numerous references to Christian organizations that believe homosexuality is not a sin.

WHOA!!! I didn't know Homosexual was an abomination, I just read that in the Bible in 2003. Only reason why I am against gay men, not lesbians, because of Aids, and I had friends in High School and everybody was telling me homosexual was wrong.... So I just went along with them.
And I am not an evil person. So stop hating me. I am only human.

3. I have never suggested there is anything particularly wrong with religion, simply that relgious furvor, in the past, has been the impetus for incredible acts of violence. To deny this is simply stupidity.

All of because of that dumb 9/11 event?
Why you only focus on the negative, and think of all the positive things religion has done.

4. If you FOLLOW my posts on this topic you will see that I encouraged a discussion of how relgion forms the fabric of our society. While I am not so foolish as to believe that religion is 100% perfect and has never done any wrong, I doubt our world would much resemble what it does today - Good AND Bad - if it were not for the religious history of virtually every known culture.

You think because you befreind ONE Muslim you understand how ALL Muslims think? You don't even understand how ALL CHRISTIANS think and you ARE one.

You keep seeing my posts in black and white and think that by saying there has been some violence perpetuated by religious furvor that means I am saying ALL religious people are violent, which would of course include myself. I am not violent. In fact, I am a pacifist, and am actively involved in several projects to end violence both locally and globally.

What are YOU working on?


You probably think all Black people are violent too

 

[MorriganTait]

So the world is better off without religion.

No, and NOTHING I have said suggests this either. You're not following anything I have said.

WHOA!!! I didn't know Homosexual was an abomination, I just read that in the Bible in 2003. Only reason why I am against gay men, not lesbians, because of Aids, and I had friends in High School and everybody was telling me homosexual was wrong.... So I just went along with them.
And I am not an evil person. So stop hating me. I am only human.

You have more anti-gay posts on this forum than I can count. You have used the Bible to justify your statements, and I have never once indicated that I hated you. I don't hate anyone.

All of because of that dumb 9/11 event?
Why you only focus on the negative, and think of all the positive things religion has done.

Again, you're not following what I am saying very well. You quote me, but it's clear you aren't reading what I have said too carefully.

You probably think all Black people are violent too

What have I ever said to suggest I think blacks are violent? I don't think ALL of "any" group is violent. Like I said before, you keep misreading my posts, assuming I have said things I haven't, or believe things I don't.

There is very little you know about me other than what I have said. I suggest you re-read my posts more carefully if you have any desire to understand what I am about.

 

[The*Empress]

I don't care how much a gay man love another man.....
Or whatever....

I wanted to love a man who has treacher collins syndrome... But people told me I can't fall in love with that man. And I was heartbreaking... I love the idea of being with a man who has face deformity just like I do, because I don't have to be very insecure sexually and in public. But people gave me fact that if I be with that man, 100% I will have a child with severly horrible facial disfigure or even death.

So what did I do? I accepted the fact and move on with my life, instead of doing what gay people are doing, paradeing and showing off their love life and shoveling their lifestyle in everyone throat, I didn't do that.

So I understand gay people and I empathize, and gay men ignoring the aids fact and all, and want to educate the world about themselves.

But I won't do that, I don't want to marry the man with tcs and putting a child's life at risk....

So I thought that by warning gay men, the same way people warn me about man with tcs... I thought that all gay men would accept the fact that their love life is unhealthy. And move on.

Anddddddd I think there is no what if there is no religion on the Earth... Because people didn't understand why they were on Earth, and scientists don't even know why either.

 

[MorriganTait]

So I thought that by warning gay men, the same way people warn me about man with tcs... I thought that all gay men would accept the fact that their love life is unhealthy. And move on.

All unprotected sexual intercourse has the capacity to transmit disease. But if you would actually like to educate people on preventing AIDS, I am sure I can help you locate an outreach program in your area where you could be useful, if you get beyond "blaming it all on gays". We have already discussed, ad nauseum, that homophobia is a contributing factor to the problem.

 

[The*Empress]

I already know about aids and hiv. Because my sister worked at the hospital around hiv and aids patients. Most of them are males.

 

[MorriganTait]

I already know about aids and hiv. Because my sister worked at the hospital around hiv and aids patients. Most of them are males.

Yeah, but you keep talking about wanting to "warn" people. If you truly and seriously want to get out there and help people prevent AIDS, I am sure I can help you find a way to do that.

 

[The*Empress]

No thank you, it is a waste of time.

And this is off topic, if you want to talk to me about this issue, you can pm me.

I am done talking about this on this forum.

 

[VamPyroX]

Well, it would be impossible for there to be no religion. Someone has to believe in something. There will always be wonders and beliefs being developed based on those wonders. People will wonder, "Who made me? Where do I come from? What are these things? Etc..." When they see something that looks like it's related to their belief, they will start to believe.

 

[Opal]

Yes, like the Australian Aboriginal worship the Dream, their own scheme to believe it faithfully. They believe in stars etc. No one teach them, as it is their own culture.

If anyone dont believe in God/religious, then people will believe in Spirituality instead.

 

[web730]

Many, many old past civilizations in the world all practiced religions. Only very, very slim percent of all past civilizations didn't practice religions in fact.

No such thing existed as the thread topic suggested.

Does it make a better world with no religion? Nah. Why? Just look at many true criminals and some homosexuals didn't even practice any religion at all .. as an obvious example.

 

[EDGE]

Well, it would be impossible for there to be no religion. Someone has to believe in something. There will always be wonders and beliefs being developed based on those wonders. People will wonder, "Who made me? Where do I come from? What are these things? Etc..." When they see something that looks like it's related to their belief, they will start to believe.

They should said it's from God Adam and Evil Eve.

- "Mom make me kill you!"

- "My dad said no!"

 

[RedFox]

discuss...

I thought of myself that if there is no religious in the world, then we may have no function to understand the right and wrong. I imagine there would be already end of the world.

I have no religion and I haven't destroyed my home, school or the world.

I think secular charities would be more effective than churches because both types of organizations would use the money for the poor and pay any paid workers, but only the religious ones would be buying religious stuff like bibles, communion stuff and other religious stuff they may give to people. Secular organizations would use all of the money for the poor plus paying bills and workers with nothing being used for religious stuff.

 

[web730]

I have no religion and I haven't destroyed my home, school or the world.

I think secular charities would be more effective than churches because both types of organizations would use the money for the poor and pay any paid workers, but only the religious ones would be buying religious stuff like bibles, communion stuff and other religious stuff they may give to people. Secular organizations would use all of the money for the poor plus paying bills and workers with nothing being used for religious stuff.

As long you stay as secularist, Devil is happy and is the reason why he and his demons doesn't need to foul your life since you're secularist. That is only a basic possibilty. I heard of some pastors talking about that, and it rather makes sense. Also read my post #50 above in this thread page. Secularists are no better.

It's always good that anyone, secularist or believer, that donates. Remember that there is rather more secularists than believers in America. No such clear proof by rate that secularists donate more than christians like you said.

Did you ever lie, cheat or being angry? Don't tell me you ever didn't do any of these before. I did so are billions, too. BTW it ain't any good being a secularist, really. Everbody is a sinner, period. Sorry if I'm so blunt, but that is darn bluntly and biblically truth.

 

[RedFox]

As long you stay as secularist, Devil is happy and is the reason why he and his demons doesn't need to foul your life since you're secularist. That is only a basic possibilty. I heard of some pastors talking about that, and it rather makes sense. Also read my post #50 above in this thread page. Secularists are no better.

That's an interesting view about secular people.

It's always good that anyone, secularist or believer, that donates. Remember that there is rather more secularists than believers in America. No such clear proof by rate that secularists donate more than christians like you said.

What do you think of those stats? Are you using the same or different meanings for "secularists" and "believers" than the site?

Did you ever lie, cheat or being angry? Don't tell me you ever didn't do any of these before. I did so are billions, too. BTW it ain't any good being a secularist, really. Everbody is a sinner, period. Sorry if I'm so blunt, but that is darn bluntly and biblically truth.

I see the use of such mistakes that everybody does one time or another as a way to make people feel guilty and to encourage them to become religious. If there were no religions in the world, they won't be able to make anyone feel excessive guilt from such mistakes, including little ones that should be seen as lessons, not as damning mistakes that would land one into eternal torture.

I've read a saying that Christianity is like a salesperson who cuts you with a knife and then attempts to sell a bandage to you for the cut. The cut is religions making people feel more guilty than they should, given the lack of evidence external to religious texts to support the claims that being a sinner would send one to a Bad Place unless one did such and such. If there were no religions or at least no religions like this in the world, people won't be made to feel so guility over little things.

Being secular doesn't make one a criminal. I know secular people at my school and in my family and they didn't do horrible crimes. There are both good and bad religous and secular people.

Criminals could say that they are Christians. Jeffrey Dahmer and Karla Tucker became born again Christians. Would that be good enough for other born again Christians to let them out of prison? Bush didn't stop Tucker's execution and he's born again himself. Did anybody think that the criminals were just putting on an act? Such issues won't be a worry if there were no religions.