US toddler shoots younger brother

jillio said:
You play golf with your gun?
Click to expand...
:lol: no... some people go to golf range. I go to shooting range.

jillio said:
Yep. Evidently there is a lot of that going around, given that the statistics show that a gun in the home is several times more likely to kill a family member or a friend than a stranger attempting to do harm.:cool2:
Click to expand...
that's why I'm all for safety programs.
 
Jiro said:
:lol: no... some people go to golf range. I go to shooting range.


that's why I'm all for safety programs.
Click to expand...

But the 2nd Amendment doesn't provide for that. Do you think the Amendment needs to be revised to provide for those safety protocols?
 
Wow, that's sucks and it is so irresponsible gun owner, not blame on 2nd Amendment.

All guns are required to locked in safe box, especially if you have child in house and both of my parent and many families are armed.

It still don't change my mind about gun rights but irresponsible gun owners need serious consequence.
 
Foxrac said:
Wow, that's sucks and it is so irresponsible gun owner, not blame on 2nd Amendment.

All guns are required to locked in safe box, especially if you have child in house and both of my parent and relative are armed.

It still don't change my mind about gun rights but irresponsible gun owners need serious consequence.
Click to expand...

But the law doesn't require them to keep guns locked away. Therefore, there is no law to punish them for not locking them away.

I think the death of a child is the most serious consequence anyone could ever face.
 
jillio said:
But the 2nd Amendment doesn't provide for that. Do you think the Amendment needs to be revised to provide for those safety protocols?
Click to expand...

Referring to Sotomayor's interpretation of 2nd Amendment - it only restricted the federal government from infringing on an individual's right to keep and bear arms but this does not apply to states. I thought that was a very interesting interpretation yet scary.

Revision in 2nd Amendment is not needed. It is up to state to regulate upon it. If this state has a high case of accidental firearm-related deaths, then that obviously warrants an action and regulation.
 
Jiro said:
Referring to Sotomayor's interpretation of 2nd Amendment - it only restricted the federal government from infringing on an individual's right to keep and bear arms but this does not apply to states. I thought that was a very interesting interpretation yet scary.

Revision in 2nd Amendment is not needed. It is up to state to regulate upon it. If this state has a high case of accidental firearm-related deaths, then that obviously warrants an action and regulation.
Click to expand...

Ahhhh....so you are saying that a high incidence of accidental death by gun is justification for greater regulation state by state?
 
jillio said:
But the law doesn't require them to keep guns locked away. Therefore, there is no law to punish them for not locking them away.

I think the death of a child is the most serious consequence anyone could ever face.
Click to expand...

Yes there are laws requiring the guns to be locked away. It's called "ACCESS PREVENTION"
 
Jiro said:
Referring to Sotomayor's interpretation of 2nd Amendment - it only restricted the federal government from infringing on an individual's right to keep and bear arms but this does not apply to states. I thought that was a very interesting interpretation yet scary.

Revision in 2nd Amendment is not needed. It is up to state to regulate upon it. If this state has a high case of accidental firearm-related deaths, then that obviously warrants an action and regulation.
Click to expand...

Yup, I found out after you said and Sotomayor sounds so good judge.

I'm favor into state rights for gun regulation, not severely restricted or complete ban or will get deal by court, DC gun ban are strike down at court in last year, federal is really need get out of citizen's business.
 
jillio said:
Ahhhh....so you are saying that a high incidence of accidental death by gun is justification for greater regulation state by state?
Click to expand...

it is pretty obvious. You respond to problem situation with solution, not ban or restriction. If your response to that situation is to ban the firearms, then I do not support you. My response would be instituting the mandatory regulations - required attendance of safety/training course, proof of Access Prevention, etc.
 
Jiro said:
Yes there are laws requiring the guns to be locked away. It's called "ACCESS PREVENTION"
Click to expand...

Yup, thanks for define and I wasn't pay attention to her anyway.
 
Child Access Prevention Law

A state law that punishes an adult whose careless storage of a gun allowed a child to gain access to the gun and commit violence. These "CAP" laws usually do not specify that guns must be kept in locked storage, but they allow adults to be held accountable after a shooting by a child. Eighteen states have passed CAP laws.

Gun Glossary : Americans for Gun Safety (AGS) Foundation
 
jillio said:
In all states?
Click to expand...

nope. not all. It's up to each state to adopt it. the law is also called "Safe Storage Law" or "Child Access Prevention (CAP)". Here's the info on what states have it - link

Child Access Prevention Law
Adults are prosecuted for a felony when firearms are left accessible to children and teens in the following states: California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin. More states will follow suit.
Click to expand...

I support this law and you should demand that your state to adopt one.
 
Jiro said:
it is pretty obvious. You respond to problem situation with solution, not ban or restriction. If your response to that situation is to ban the firearms, then I do not support you. My response would be instituting the mandatory regulations - required attendance of safety/training course, proof of Access Prevention, etc.
Click to expand...

But I thought that you had stated previously that greater regulation of firearms was unconsitutional and did not prevent accidental deaths. Mandating safety programs prior to allowing ownership is greater regulation of firearms. As is the introduction of CAPD laws.
 
Jiro said:
nope. not all. It's up to each state to adopt it. the law is also called "Safe Storage Law" or "Child Access Prevention (CAP)". Here's the info on what states have it - link

Child Access Prevention Law


I support this law and you should demand that your state to adopt one.
Click to expand...

These laws only allow for prosecution after the fact that a child has gotten ahold of a gun and killed or injured self or others. It does not mandate that guns be locked up. Please see my link.
 
jillio said:
But I thought that you had stated previously that greater regulation of firearms was unconsitutional and did not prevent accidental deaths. Mandating safety programs prior to allowing ownership is greater regulation of firearms. As is the introduction of CAPD laws.
Click to expand...

depends on what "greater regulation" is. If it's something about banning/restricting firearm.... no I do not support it.

Having a training as an armed person and taking preventative measure are a social responsibility. CAP law does not restrict firearm. It holds you legally accountable for child's firearm-related accidental death. If I live in a state with high incidents of child accidental deaths due to firearms, then obviously I need to do something about it. I would add one line to my state's current CAP law requiring the homeowners to have gun vault. This is not really a restriction but a call for social responsibility. It is sad that I have to take this action to make people more responsible especially parents. Shame on them! :mad2:
 
Jiro said:
depends on what "greater regulation" is. If it's something about banning/restricting firearm.... no I do not support it.

Having a training as an armed person and taking preventative measure are a social responsibility. CAP law does not restrict firearm. It holds you legally accountable for child's firearm-related accidental death. If I live in a state with high incidents of child accidental deaths due to firearms, then obviously I need to do something about it. I would add one line to my state's current CAP law requiring the homeowners to have gun vault. This is not really a restriction but a call for social responsibility. It is sad that I have to take this action to make people more responsible especially parents. Shame on them! :mad2:
Click to expand...

CAP regulates firearms. It is a regulatory state law. Mandating owners to have a gun vault restricts ownership only to those that have a gun vault. Anyway you paint it, it is greater regulation and restriction.
 
jillio said:
These laws only allow for prosecution after the fact that a child has gotten ahold of a gun and killed or injured self or others. It does not mandate that guns be locked up. Please see my link.
Click to expand...

I don't need to see your link. I'm the one who provided you that information and I'm quite aware of it. But then - it's same as DUI, DWT, Manslaughter, Murder, and such. It cannot prevent you from driving while ------ but there are laws that will hold you accountable for it. It cannot prevent people from killing others but the laws will hold them accountable.

Naturally - with this law... the homeowners would purchase the vaults. Apparently - some are just too stupid. The best I can do about it as governor/senator/advocator/etc is to require them to provide the proof of vault or face fines.
 
Jiro said:
I don't need to see your link. I'm the one who provided you that information and I'm quite aware of it. But then - it's same as DUI, DWT, Manslaughter, Murder, and such. It cannot prevent you from driving while ------ but there are laws that will hold you accountable for it. It cannot prevent people from killing others but the laws will hold them accountable.

Naturally - with this law... the homeowners would purchase the vaults. Apparently - some are just too stupid. The best I can do about it as governor/senator/advocator/etc is to require them to provide the proof of vault or face fines.
Click to expand...

No, you did not provide me that information. The information came from the link I provided when you said that there were laws that required that guns be locked up. The laws you refer to do not require firearms to be locked up.

Then you are in favor of greater restriction on the ownership of firearms.
 
Back
Top