US toddler shoots younger brother

jillio said:
Yet another example that supports the statistics that show a gun in the home is many times more likely to kill a family member or a friend than it is a stranger attempting to do harm to the family.:cool2:
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Yep. I would never will own a gun in my home and would not want my sons playing at a house that does have a gun. It's off limited, I don't care if they say their firearms are unloaded and locked up. I still don't trust gun owners, curious kids always find a way around it.
 
jillio said:
Thanks for explaining. I see that you have taken other precautions, as well, and are not relying solely on a gun.
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hence a responsible gun owner :cool2:
 
Babyblue said:
I agree that the parents were irresponsible.

And should have had the gun locked or at least the room.

Jiro

Quick question.

If your guns are locked in a vault, and you have a double locking mechanism. How prepared are you for an intruder in your home?

By the time you get your gun ready. The intruder has done the deed.
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jillio said:
I was wondering the same thing. Its 3 AM. You are awakened by someone coming in through your front door. You have to get up, get to the safe, get the safe unlocked, and get the gun out. How do you manage to do all that without alerting the intruder to your movements, and still manage to take the intruder by surprise?
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because
1. I live in a condo with security guards and dozens of security cameras and
2. I live in a state that's safer than both of your states combined together and
3. NJ legal system is hostile toward to self-defense incidents

If I live at private residence, then the situation is different. my gun would be simply stored at the vault.

jillio - the vault is not that noisy. it's designed for that purpose. :)
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and also - you're acting like the intruder knows the way in your house to find you. That's a flaw in your logic. If the intruder heard your movement, then why in the world would he stick around? He would just simply run away.
 
Jiro said:
because
1. I live in a condo with security guards and dozens of security cameras and
2. I live in a state that's safer than both of your states combined together and
3. NJ legal system is hostile toward to self-defense incidents

If I live at private residence, then the situation is different. my gun would be simply stored at the vault.

jillio - the vault is not that noisy. it's designed for that purpose. :)
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and also - you're acting like the intruder knows the way in your house to find you. That's a flaw in your logic. If the intruder heard your movement, then why in the world would he stick around? He would just simply run away.
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Or come in an kill you before you could get your gun out of the vault. The vault may not be that noisy, but someone functioning through an adrenaline high is not exactly graceful in most instances, either. Nor is noise the only way to alert an intruder to your movement.
 
jillio said:
Or come in an kill you before you could get your gun out of the vault. The vault may not be that noisy, but someone functioning through an adrenaline high is not exactly graceful in most instances, either. Nor is noise the only way to alert an intruder to your movement.
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so tell that to C.C.Sinned. Again - keep coming up with all the excuses and it's very apparent - you are not the right person with right mindset to own the firearm. and again - this applies for police officers as well. The only difference between you and us - we have an option. you don't. It's up to us to use that option or not. We can fight with our hands and teeth if we want to.
 
C.C. Sinned has other precautions in place that alert him prior to an invader entering his home, thus allowing him greater time to prepare. That is why I said he was not relying solely on a gun.


What do police officers have to do with it?
 
jillio said:
C.C. Sinned has other precautions in place that alert him prior to an invader entering his home, thus allowing him greater time to prepare. That is why I said he was not relying solely on a gun.


What do police officers have to do with it?
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He probably meant that not everyone is cut out to be a police officer?
 
jillio said:
C.C. Sinned has other precautions in place that alert him prior to an invader entering his home, thus allowing him greater time to prepare. That is why I said he was not relying solely on a gun.
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and so do I. I've said this many times - "lethal force is THE LAST RESORT."

jillio said:
What do police officers have to do with it?
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police officers are human. they do make deadly errors with adrenaline rush. and yes - not everyone is cut out to be police officer. and same for armed homeowners. some of them are just too dumb to know how to be safe with it.
 
jillio said:
That is why I asked you if you had the same precautions in place.
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see my post #26.

jillio said:
Yeah, they sure do. Sometimes they even shoot each other.
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yep. shit happens. that's why we take courses & trainings, and practice practice practice to minimize those "shit happens" chance.
 
Jiro said:
see my post #26.

Yeah, you have security guards and flood lights. Saw that. Preventive. What CC Sinned was referring to was motion sensor lights and barking dogs, and several locks. That creates a warning system. A bit different.

yep. shit happens. that's why we take courses & trainings, and practice practice practice to minimize those "shit happens" chance.
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We? I was referring to police officers in my link.
 
Jiro said:
yep that's what I was referring to. shit happens. If I recall correctly - liebling posted an article about a father was startled and heard the intruder downstair in the kitchen. He shot him. Turned out that the intruder was his son?? or a friend.
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Shit happens? Interesting perspective.:hmm:
 
jillio said:
Yeah, you have security guards and flood lights. Saw that. Preventive. What CC Sinned was referring to was motion sensor lights and barking dogs, and several locks. That creates a warning system. A bit different.
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That's why my gun has double locks. It's not needed. Armed defense is not needed.

jillio said:
We? I was referring to police officers in my link.
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yes. What happened to that police officer is a case of "shit happens." Shit do happens to us armed homeowners. A serious irresponsibility for armed homeowner is to NOT take trainings, to maintain regular practice, and to take precautions. This 3-years old toddler's parents did not do so. Shame on them.
 
Jiro said:
That's why my gun has double locks. It's not needed. Armed defense is not needed.

If armed defense is not needed, why have it? That's what I'm confused about.

yes. What happened to that police officer is a case of "shit happens." Shit do happens to us armed homeowners. A serious irresponsibility for armed homeowner is to NOT take trainings, to maintain regular practice, and to take precautions. This 3-years old toddler's parents did not do so. Shame on them.
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So. This baby's death is just a case of "shit happens."

Evidently, the case with the police officer is considered to be a bit more than "shit happens" since there is an investigation.
 
Jiro said:
the same reason that people have golf clubs :lol:

You play golf with your gun?

it's a case of serious irresponsibility. shame on them.
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Yep. Evidently there is a lot of that going around, given that the statistics show that a gun in the home is several times more likely to kill a family member or a friend than a stranger attempting to do harm.:cool2:
 
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