Update on Terri Schiavo Something is up !!!!

Cheri said:
Why would I get upset that Terri's parents were just trying to save their daughter, They don't believe in committing murder, they believe that God is the only one who decide our fate and I'm with them all the way as I always had been. Michael is nothing but a creep, greedy, cheating, and murder husband. That's all I think of for that low bastard. :thumb:
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The really depends on what you choose to believe. If you take the person out of the equation, it comes down to ideology. Each person has the right to decide whether or not they want to be kept alive in whatever form that may take> It doesn't matter if we are talking about feeding tubes, mechanical ventilation, dialysis, and so on. These issues eclipse that of Terri Schaivo. Do you want politicians deciding your fate ? If you're honest with yourself, you'll say no. If you are truly honest with yourself, you'll agree that each person has the right to decide this for themselves.

This is the purpose of Michael Schiavo's endeavor! He wants to get those politicians who intruded upon this case out of office, and I applaud him for that!
 
Rose Immortal said:
Cheri,

I'd like to see your reasoning on this question. I'm not trying to say if you're right or wrong, but I want to understand more of your logic...

The question is: How do you separate God determining one's fate from humans determining one's fate? I'm asking because you could also argue that at the point when you take someone off of life support or a feeding tube that you are putting the entire matter in God's hands--that He will wake that person if it is His will, or take them back to Him. At a certain point, does human intervention (the feeding tube or life support) become something that is not God's will? And how do we know where that point is, if that is an issue to be concerned with?
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We are free to live, choose and grow almost as we desire. But, we are not free to take someone's life just because somebody been laying in bed for 15 years. Who's fault is that? If Terri would have gotten the treatment she needed, which that would be the right therapy she wouldn't have been where she was at. I don't think it gives anyone a right play God and determine whether or not a person should die. It's like removing her human right to make a choice, which she never had a choice because she never had a living will, she never said she wanted to die. Why should people play God and decide other people's fate?

Terri's condition cause by herself, I believe she made that choice to lead the wrong path by hurting herself through dieting the wrong way. I'm sure she did not do this on purpose. I don't believe it's God's will how she end up the way she did. It's just a lesson that people should be aware of what happened to Terri can happen to you, if you dieting the wrong way.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
The really depends on what you choose to believe. If you take the person out of the equation, it comes down to ideology. Each person has the right to decide whether or not they want to be kept alive in whatever form that may take> It doesn't matter if we are talking about feeding tubes, mechanical ventilation, dialysis, and so on. These issues eclipse that of Terri Schaivo. Do you want politicians deciding your fate ? If you're honest with yourself, you'll say no. If you are truly honest with yourself, you'll agree that each person has the right to decide this for themselves.

This is the purpose of Michael Schiavo's endeavor! He wants to get those politicians who intruded upon this case out of office, and I applaud him for that!
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Terri's parents only made a plea to save their daughter, I meant I wouldn't want my son's wife order dehydration and starvation for my son. I would do anything in my power to save my son just like Terri's parents had done for her daughter. I see nothing wrong with that at all.

I do agree that each person can decide for themselves, but Terri had no living will she did not decide for herself, Michael, and the state of Florida decide her fate.
 
this is possibly another spam.

it always happens to everyone who were brain damaged nor brain dead, etc

and I dont see why this case with white people always have to be known to public though it does indeed happen to blacks and asians and everybody else all the time and she was proably well known in public just because she was another beauiful rich white woman but dont get me wrong I am sorry for her death, but we can't just focus on one person all the time and treat her like a queen because it happens to many others so try to show some respect and give attention to other ppl who has as far serious problems as her indeed. If it happened in the past then it happened in the past. but this time I hope republicans and other policits related groups better stay the hell outta this situation because its none of their business but the families of their own instead.

just my two cents.
 
ButterflyGirl said:
How can her parents write about how Terri died if they were not with her in her room when she died? Of course Michael prevented them to be with her when she was nearing her death.
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They will find the truth..one way or another. Only time will tell.
 
Cheri said:
We are free to live, choose and grow almost as we desire. But, we are not free to take someone's life just because somebody been laying in bed for 15 years. Who's fault is that? If Terri would have gotten the treatment she needed, which that would be the right therapy she wouldn't have been where she was at. I don't think it gives anyone a right play God and determine whether or not a person should die. It's like removing her human right to make a choice, which she never had a choice because she never had a living will, she never said she wanted to die. Why should people play God and decide other people's fate?

Terri's condition cause by herself, I believe she made that choice to lead the wrong path by hurting herself through dieting the wrong way. I'm sure she did not do this on purpose. I don't believe it's God's will how she end up the way she did. It's just a lesson that people should be aware of what happened to Terri can happen to you, if you dieting the wrong way.
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Obviously I wish she'd never wound up in the state she did--you're right that counseling would have been a very good thing for her to get.

But what I find myself wondering, with the technological advances we have made...are there times when we use technology to keep a body alive when the soul has already gone on to Heaven, or perhaps times when we're preventing a soul from moving on that SHOULD be free to move on if not for our intervention?

I wonder if sometimes we use our technology to play God and determine if people should live or die. Have we gone too far?

Again, I am not saying you're totally wrong or anything...but if you bring the consideration of God's will into the equation, this is another possibility that has to be considered.
 
The only reason why she has the feeding tubes inside her cause she is unable to feed herself, yet she is not on any life support machine that keeping her alive, I don't see a difference in a life support machine and a feeding tubes, afterall people have to eat and drink in order to live, no one can live without food and water, so to me it wasn't God's will that allow her to die, it wasw Michael who took the matter in his own hands by starving his wife for days.....


God kept Terri breathing for a reason, cause she wasn't ready to die, also God provide doctors for things to help patients such as medicine, feeding tubes, etc etc..

When you take the matter in your own hands by killing someone who is still breathing without the use of any life support is it the murder in the eye of God to me......

If God wanted her to die, she wouldn't be able to breathe on her own....


Btw, this is my last post, I'm going to bother posting anymore in this thread, I'm not up to agrue with anyone, I see it differently and I hope all of you respect that......
 
Angel, I respect your decision to back out. I just want to say one thing...I have never disrespected those who feel differently. I ask my questions because I want to understand the reasoning behind other opinions. I think that's the only fair way to make a decision on a big issue like this--by fully understanding why both sides say what they do.
 
Thank you Rose Immortal, I have no problem with you and I do think you're a very nice person from reading most of your posts here in AD and I do understand where you're coming from on this, there may be some things I've said toward Michael that may be not too nice, but this is the most sensitive issue I've pour my heart into, and sometimes when I hear a case like this, I must admit I do get emotionally upset how it turned out at the end....

I've been up and down the hill on this case, and I have said pretty much all I wanted to say, and I do not wish to argue with anyone really, I can see and understand where the others are coming from, and I'm not trying to force others to see it the way I do.....It's okay to disagree too....

But it's time for this to put behind us, Terri's no longer here, and I wish it never came to that, but it happened and it's over with, there nothing we can do to bring her back....

Please forgive me if I said something that may offend anyone in this thread...:ily:
 
Rose Immortal said:
But what I find myself wondering, with the technological advances we have made...are there times when we use technology to keep a body alive when the soul has already gone on to Heaven, or perhaps times when we're preventing a soul from moving on that SHOULD be free to move on if not for our intervention?
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Technology like machines that people hooked up on to help them breathe is more like they are really gone, instead of a person that breathe on his/her own is not really gone. Do you think that's fair that someone just decide that a breathing person should die? Only thing that is keeping her alive was the feeding tubes. Why can't they just let her die on natural cause? Maybe God had a plan for her, remember how people say if you have faith in believing anything can happen a miracle, maybe a miracle was waiting for her on God's terms. ;)
 
You know my opinion at other debate threads that I do not support to remove feeding-tube but euthanasia! I wish they give Terri an euthanasia, not remove feeding-tube because of save suffering.

Health said that he received this information from email. It could be SPAM!!! I do not listen emails but Michael, Doctors and Terri's parents's sides...

Doctors already explained that it's NO chance to have Terri's life back as normal...
 
Cheri said:
Technology like machines that people hooked up on to help them breathe is more like they are really gone, instead of a person that breathe on his/her own is not really gone. Do you think that's fair that someone just decide that a breathing person should die? Only thing that is keeping her alive was the feeding tubes. Why can't they just let her die on natural cause? Maybe God had a plan for her, remember how people say if you have faith in believing anything can happen a miracle, maybe a miracle was waiting for her on God's terms. ;)
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Correct, the only thing keeping her alive was the feeding tubes--technology. And that's what bothers me, the idea that perhaps she was supposed to have gone on sooner. And if that was the case (neither of us can prove our opinions, I realize that), then what if instead by keeping her here, we were torturing her? So many years in that state had to be horrible--even if she had recovered, I'm not sure what kind of life that would've been. Knowing that I had condemned someone to a hellish kind of life would be tough for me to bear on my conscience--it would be like knowing I'd actively tortured someone who was helpless to stop me. :(

This brings up another point, a little bit unrelated to yours. I can tell you that as soon as I've gotten a job of my own (which may have access to legal services as a benefit), I will make sure to get a living will. That's definitely a lesson I've learned from this, because I do not want to be kept alive if I were already so far gone as Terri was. I know it would be hard for my family to do--but I would want them to know, with 100% certainty, what my wishes were. And I also want it documented so that the government doesn't try to make my decision for me. I think that's what bothers me the most, that this couldn't be resolved between the families, and that the government stepped in. This really should've stayed a private matter.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
You know my opinion at other debate threads that I do not support to remove feeding-tube but euthanasia! I wish they give Terri an euthanasia, not remove feeding-tube because of save suffering.

Health said that he received this information from email. It could be SPAM!!! I do not listen emails but Michael, Doctors and Terri's parents's sides...

Doctors already explained that it's NO chance to have Terri's life back as normal...
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Hi Liebling.... This was not spam because I signed up on the website for their newsletter and to petition. The e-mail is from real life.
http://www.rightmarch.com
 
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