CyberRed said:
So, do you believe that Jesus Christ died, not to save
everyone, but only to save a chosen, predestined "elect" ?
If, so -- show me where it have stated in the bible ?
Ok let me make a stupid logic thing first.
Jesus died on the cross to save all people. It means that he will save those people who reject Jesus Christ as their savior also Jesus saves those people who believes him. Does it make sense?
No, He died on the cross for his believer people (children and his chosen people). Who I was speaking of the chosen people that Jesus Christ choose? The believer people who believe that the Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sin .....
*Justification*
Summary:
Lord the father in Heaven. He (Lord) randoms chosen his people from Adam and Eve to when the Jesus Christ's 2nd return. He don't chosen people for a reason and all of them are random elected from his grace. When the sin influence the world on the Earth. Lord had to sent his son (Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ was sent to save those lost souls (Lord's chosen people). Of course first thing is the Holy Spirit comes in a person and then the Gospel will give the salvation to the person. Therefore Jesus Christ's job is to take care of his sheeps to serve his Lord's wants. Jesus Christ is not going to save those people who reject Jesus Christ as their savior. Those people who reject Jesus Christ were not chosen by the Lord (father).
Conclusion: If you are believer and you should thankful for Lord's grace pours on you that he had chosen you to be a member of his family.
Ok you asked for the verses support on the Elect thing.
Here are the short cut verses if you don’t want to read through it on this page. It is in the order from beginning to end with the Bible Books.
ESV John 6:37
NASB John 6:70-71
NASB John 10:11
NASB John 10:14-16
NASB John 10:27
NKJV John 13:18
ESV John 17:9
NASB John 17:12
NASB John 17:1-18
NKJV Acts 13:48
NKJV Acts 15:18
NKJV Eph 1:11
NASB Eph 1:4 <---- Powerful message
NKJV Eph 1:3-6
NASB 2 Thess 2:13 <---- chosen you as his children
21th CKJV 1 Peter 2:8
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No salvation can be lost. Freewill is false
ESV John 6:37
37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
NASB John 6:70-71
70 Jesus answered them,
"Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"
71 Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him.
His choosen people will know the Lord with his voice and works.
NASB John 10:11
11 "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
His choosen people will know the Lord with his voice and works.
NASB John 10:14-16
14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,
15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
His choosen people are his sheep
NASB John 10:27
27
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
NKJV John 13:18
18
"I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, "He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.'
Jesus praying for his choosen people only given from God
ESV John 17:9
9
I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
Choosen and Holds You *The Freewill is not a bibical thing look at that verse*
NASB John 17:12
12
"While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
Praying for his choosen people
NASB John 17:1-26
1 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,
2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.
3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
4 "I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.
5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
7 "Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You;
8 for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me.
9"I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;
10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them.
11 "I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.
12 "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
The Disciples in the World
13 "But now I come to You; and these things I speak in the world so that they may have My joy made full in themselves.
14"I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 "I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.
16 "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.
18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
19 "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.
20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;
21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Their Future Glory
22 "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25 "O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me;
26 and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
His choosen people with no lost salvation
NKJV Acts 13:48
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed
NKJV Acts 15:18
18 "Known to God from eternity are all His works
NKJV Eph 1:11
11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
This verse is a powerful verse for the Elect thing
NASB Eph 1:4
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him In love
NKJV Eph 1:3-6
6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
Lord chosen you as his children.
NASB 2 Thess 2:13
13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
21th CKJV 1 Peter 2:8
8 and, "A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense," even to those who stumble at the Word, being disobedient, unto which also they were appointed.
