Trayvon Case Investigation

[Jiro]

A vigilante seeks to punish a suspected lawbreaker without due process.

Where is there proof or even the accusation that Zimmerman was seeking to punish a suspected lawbreaker without due process? Where is the proof that Zimmerman was stalking Martin with the intention of punishing him by shooting him to death?

If Zimmerman truly was a vigilante, he would have never called the police. He would have stalked and killed Martin, then left the scene, without ever calling the police.

well how does vigilante differ from murderer?

 

[Jiro]

I didn't say that Martin committed any crime prior to encountering Zimmerman.

The point is, there is no indication that Zimmerman was stalking Martin in order to kill him. That would be a vigilante murder.

Prosecutors thought otherwise. That's why Zimmerman will have his day in trial to prove his innocence.

 

[TXgolfer]

Prosecutors thought otherwise. That's why Zimmerman will have his day in trial to prove his innocence.

Actually I think the prosecutors felt political pressure and caved in. When a lib like the Dersh is calling the case "thin" you have a problem. But I think having a trial is a good thing even necessary at this point. I hope they actually have a trial and facts are presented.

 

[Jiro]

Actually I think the prosecutors felt political pressure and caved in. When a lib like the Dersh is calling the case "thin" you have a problem. But I think having a trial is a good thing even necessary at this point. I hope they actually have a trial and facts are presented.

you're, of course, entitled to your opinion.

 

[Reba]

well how does vigilante differ from murderer?

People commit murders for many reasons. Vigilantism is just one of them. Also, vigilantism doesn't always end up in a death.

A vigilante murder is specifically when a person or group targets an individual or group of individuals for "justice," meaning imposing revenge, and avoiding legal due process.

 

[Reba]

Prosecutors thought otherwise. That's why Zimmerman will have his day in trial to prove his innocence.

Sigh . . . Our Constitution never requires a defendant to "prove his innocence." It's up to the state to prove guilt.

 

[kokonut]

Sigh . . . Our Constitution never requires a defendant to "prove his innocence." It's up to the state to prove guilt.

Absolutely. Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. This has always been the case. Always. It is the prosecutor who has the burden to prove guilt. Not the other way around.

Some people minds' are already made up without having all of the facts before them.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Recently at work I saw a newspaper that is published for black readers. The articles were about black men getting killed such as Trayvon and other black guys. It didn't report anything about white people attacked/killed by black men. I find that interesting. Also it said that if Trayvon was white, Zimmerman would be arrested at the scene. What? Police would not arrest Zimmerman if he shot Trayvon in self-defense whether he was white or black.

 

[Steinhauer]

A victim would be on top of someone carrying a gun, slamming his head repeatedly in the pavement. self-defense, you know.

Just because GZ had a gun does not make him the aggressor. The fallacy in that Jiro, is if you carried concealed you are aggressive.

 

[kokonut]

Like I said, the media sometimes play a big role on misinforming and at times disinforming their audience. Nothing fair and balanced about them.

 

[Jiro]

Just because GZ had a gun does not make him the aggressor.

looks like you're not going to wait to hear all facts at court whether or not if Zimmerman is an aggressor.

The fallacy in that Jiro, is if you carried concealed you are aggressive.

I'm loving how you continue to be extremely confused or purposely obtuse when you know very well what the truth is. Correction - the fallacy is that you're always innocent whenever you shoot. shoot first, ask later. and nobody can challenge you since he's dead. case closed. no question asked.

 

[Jiro]

Like I said, the media sometimes play a big role on misinforming and at times disinforming their audience. Nothing fair and balanced about them.

I find it quite comical to hear you repeating this much more than a parrot.

 

[Jiro]

People commit murders for many reasons. Vigilantism is just one of them. Also, vigilantism doesn't always end up in a death.

A vigilante murder is specifically when a person or group targets an individual or group of individuals for "justice," meaning imposing revenge, and avoiding legal due process.

you just proved my point.

Zimmerman: OK. These assholes. They always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]

 

[Jiro]

Sigh . . . Our Constitution never requires a defendant to "prove his innocence." It's up to the state to prove guilt.

well I misspoke. Zimmerman will have his day at court to maintain his innocence. you know what I mean.

 

[rolling7]

Like I said, the media sometimes play a big role on misinforming and at times disinforming their audience. Nothing fair and balanced about them.

Keep saying this over and over until some CEO or commentator or reporter goes to prison for the deliberate acts of dishonoring and disparaging of the truth.
What MM report should never be 99.9% of the truth, anything less that three whole truth should be criminal.

 

[Jiro]

Keep saying this over and over until some CEO or commentator or reporter goes to prison for the deliberate acts of dishonoring and disparaging of the truth.
What MM report should never be 99.9% of the truth, anything less that three whole truth should be criminal.

I'm all for criminalizing what NBC did with 911 call.

 

[rolling7]

I'm all for criminalizing what NBC did with 911 call.

Glad you agree.

 

[TXgolfer]

you just proved my point.

Not really, that could just mean he was going to keep an eye on him this time. Doesn't mean he was "seeking revenge". We will have to see what the evidence says.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

Think about that carefully.

A victim would not be on top of someone slamming their head repeatedly in the pavement.

How do you know who was on top or the bottom first! The bottom line is if Zimmerman has listen to the cops and not had follow Trayvon he would still be alive. And the news media keep calling Zimmerman 'White' he is not White he is biracial . One parent is Hispanic. The news media is saying a White man killed a
Black kid that is not true , the judge asked Zimmerman new lawyer if he was going to be bring his client in to court and Zimmerman was standing right there. The judge was looking for a White guy and only saw a Hispanic guy. Is the news media trying to cause more racial tensions between Blacks and Whites??

 

[Reba]

you just proved my point.

Nope. No point is proven. You don't know what Zimmerman's intent was. There was nothing in that 911 recording to prove that Zimmerman was seeking his own revenge against Martin or that the reason he was following Martin was so that he could shoot and kill him.