Tobacco tax rise for US smokers

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Many smoker find a way to get cigarette without pay as it become their value than money. heh heh
 
Reba said:
Do the math.

If people quit buying tobacco products there will be no tax money for the children's insurance.
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Obama never said he won't use other sources of income to cover insurance. If income from tobacco sales is lowered, he is free to find other sources to cover insurance. I think that's what you are missing?
 
i agree that lots of poor peeps who are on welfare or benefits are smoking! i wonder where the hell did they get $$ from?!?
 
I think it is good to raise taxes on tobacco. I quit smokin' in 2004. I am soo glad that I don't smoke ever since. I sure hope that it will help some smokers to quit, too. Hospital bill is more expensive than buyin' a cigerette pack/carton. Smokers chose which one is more cheaper for them to pay. :)
 
flip said:
Obama never said he won't use other sources of income to cover insurance. If income from tobacco sales is lowered, he is free to find other sources to cover insurance. I think that's what you are missing?
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What "other" source would that be?
 
Reba said:
What "other" source would that be?
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Taxes from alcohol sales, taxes from gambling, taxes from gas sales, taxes from IRS, bailouts, printing more dollars, confisicate property from criminals, borrow debt from china, etc. The goverment have many difference sources of income to balance a budget.
 
BradB08 said:
Actually, it'll only encourage people to roll their own and buy cigarettes as cheaply as they can.

I would suggest quitting as it's an useless habit that has no benefits (much like drinking excessively).
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That is correct, but addicts will still be addicts, so there will be buyers. However, I noticed that roll-your-own tobacco jumped more than double in price. Tsk tsk.
 
flip said:
Taxes from alcohol sales, taxes from gambling, taxes from gas sales, taxes from IRS, bailouts, printing more dollars, confisicate property from criminals, borrow debt from china, etc.
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I hope you are kidding.

The goverment have many difference sources of income to balance a budget.
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The topic is tobacco taxes paying for children's health insurance. It won't help balance any budget.
 
Babyface said:
so obama should be the same as bush? I didnt see bush raising taxes on slat and food or taking over car companies etc

bush spent money yeah but obamas spending is outragous the deficit has quadroupled since hes been in office
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Can you back your mouth up or are you just spewing more right-wing propaganda?

Anyway, a few links to show just how much the federal deficit increased under Bush. It doesn't matter what Obama does now because it was Bush that turned a surplus into a deficit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/washington/05budget.html

$400 billion deficit to greet Bush's successor - USATODAY.com

The National Deficit from 6 to 9 TRILLION Dollars under Bush JohnPod.com “What Does John Think?”

I think the overall bottom line here is that no matter who's in office, the deficit will continue to increase. You cannot use this solely as ammunition against Obama without considering Bush's contributions to the increase.

Nice try though.
 
I don't think about high tax on tobacco would work but it could cause more smokers to smuggle to get cheap tobacco, such as in Indian Reservation.
 
Reba said:
Do the math.

If people quit buying tobacco products there will be no tax money for the children's insurance.
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Indeed, it could happen. Shall see about it how thing goes...
 
maybe there should be a tax on all the smoke that is being blown up everyone's ass :hmm:
 
Reba is right. Arkansas is under the same predicatment. The state recently raised the state tobacco sales tax to help fund a state truama center. Only one problem. If everyone is losing their jobs they are going to cut expenses. Usually one of the first ones is smoking. If fewer people are employed, and fewer people will buy tobacco - we only end up with a shrinking source of revenue that may all but disappear when smoking becomes something only the rich can do. When that happens, you can bet your bottom dollar some poor folks will figure out a way to grow their own tobacco and will be selling cigarettes for cheap on an underground market that will be more profitable than the open regulated market.

When the FDA gets their hands on the cigarette manufacturers, the smokes will start to taste different and possibly be even less addictive as the FDA will now have the power to say what can and cannot go in a tobacco product, and on top off all that, the boxes will have to label every ingredient on the box, and labels such as "medium" "light" and "ultra light" will no longer be used. We'll start seeing labels such as Marlboro Gold and Marlboro Silver in stead of calling them out by Marlboro light 100s or Marlboro ultra lights.

I can forsee that the entire bullpen at walmart will have to be entirely reworked and restocked and who knows the FDA may raise the smoking age back to 21 and require those working in tobacco shops to be 25 or over. You never know when someone else gets to take over something thats been self-regulatory for hundreds of years.
 
If we want to get rid of national debt then we should cut programs that have been proven ineffective and inefficient, stop borrowing what we can't pay back (at the current rate it will take us 100+ years pay off the national debt), and stop paying congressmen (and women), and other government officials ridiculous salaries when we have regular everyday citizens that have fought bravely to defend our country, and are living on limited income and are having to decide whether they will eat this week or buy their medications.
 
If governments wanting us to quit smoking was the reason, they could have just shut down the tobacco companies like Bhutan.

They just want our money, that's all really, but I have to agree with Reba, I don't see how it works because if we kept raising the taxes and more people quitting, there will be not much of people buy the cigarette to support children's insurance so the government will end up to charge more taxes for other stuff such like alcohol, fast foods, etc.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
If governments wanting us to quit smoking was the reason, they could have just shut down the tobacco companies like Bhutan.

They just want our money, that's all really, but I have to agree with Reba, I don't see how it works because if we kept raising the taxes and more people quitting, there will be not much of people buy the cigarette to support children's insurance so the government will end up to charge more taxes for other stuff such like alcohol, fast foods, etc.
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Yup, damn to government.
 
BradB08 said:
Can you back your mouth up or are you just spewing more right-wing propaganda?

Anyway, a few links to show just how much the federal deficit increased under Bush. It doesn't matter what Obama does now because it was Bush that turned a surplus into a deficit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/washington/05budget.html

$400 billion deficit to greet Bush's successor - USATODAY.com

The National Deficit from 6 to 9 TRILLION Dollars under Bush JohnPod.com “What Does John Think?”

I think the overall bottom line here is that no matter who's in office, the deficit will continue to increase. You cannot use this solely as ammunition against Obama without considering Bush's contributions to the increase.

Nice try though.
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Projected Deficit - washingtonpost.com

Yeah, that looks to be about four times. You cannot criticize Bush's increase without criticizing Obama's far more severe increase. I criticize both.
 
I'm a "closet smoker".....and a lot of people I know are beginning to "roll their own" due to the cost of a pack of cigs.....Smoking is bad for you, I know....but I "enjoy a puff" here and then...

When the cost of cigs become so outrageous...people are gonna start "growing their own"...and I don't mean tobacco!
 
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