The RIAA

[ASLuser101]

"There's one thing I don't get it, I am not following this issue closely, how come you don't get in trouble for recording your favorite show which it sounds like breaking copyright/ illegally to you?"

the courts already ruled in an landmark lawsuit about 20 years ago (Sony/betamax) that it was okay to record off TV to watch later (time shifting). One of the arguments was the quality of recorded material was simply too poor for anyone to easily make money at it. The quality has improved considerably since, but the court's ruling stands.

downloading copywritten material and p2p hasn't been fully addressed by the courts, further, the DCMA and RIAA issues are still in the midst of "arbitration" involving the RIAA, broadcasters, Congress, the Library of Congress, and, of course, thousands of lawyers.

as the law currently stands, many say that most courts will rule its illegal in individual cases, so, download and or p2pinate at your own risk!

 

[kalboy]

Remember, Downloading music online is not ILLEGAL... it is not illegal to use p2p software. I believe one of the purpose of the internet is made to share all information avilable known to man.

P2P software is being widely accepted by internet users and it is hard to take it away from the people once they like something. It is only matter of time before IP blocking feature becomes avilable on some P2P software so people can keep sharing whatever they have. RIAA is just a bunch of sour losers who are trying to stop a revolution that cannot be stopped.

 

[Psycrow]

I'm willing to bet that in a few years, the RIAA is going to be broke due to a reversal of lawsuits and the people finally getting pissed off enough about this mess.

 

[Banjo]

Originally posted by kalboy
Remember, Downloading music online is not ILLEGAL

Prove it please.

As far I am concerned, it is illegal to steal. I don't recall songs that were intended to be released solely for p2p softwares.

They were released to generate money, not theft.

If you want songs, buy them!

If not, then you're a thief and a cheapskate.

... it is not illegal to use p2p software.

Of course, it isn't illegal because it's a legal freeware filled with pop-up ads, spywares, etc. There's no infringement in any copyright acts in the software.

It's the ACTIONS that the Internet Users are taking violates the copyright laws.

I believe one of the purpose of the internet is made to share all information avilable known to man.

Of course, it's one of the purposes to make all the information available known to man.... legally.

P2P software is being widely accepted by internet users and it is hard to take it away from the people once they like something.

People always want to get something for free. Tough luck.

You have to earn them.

It is only matter of time before IP blocking feature becomes avilable on some P2P software so people can keep sharing whatever they have. RIAA is just a bunch of sour losers who are trying to stop a revolution that cannot be stopped.

Revolution?

Why would we want a Theft Revolution?

No thanks, because it'll just make our economy go belly-flopping. How are people supposed to keep their jobs if people like you keep stealing?

According to your assumption where 90% of Internet population steal files.

If that was true, then we wouldn't have any new songs, movies, softwares, and more because all of them would be out of business.

But if it is on the rise, then they have to be stopped.

Once a Thief, Always a Thief, A Great Way to Live Such A Shameful Life.

 

[kalboy]

Originally posted by Banjo
Prove it please.

As far I am concerned, it is illegal to steal. I don't recall songs that were intended to be released solely for p2p softwares.

They were released to generate money, not theft.

If you want songs, buy them!

If not, then you're a thief and a cheapskate.



Of course, it isn't illegal because it's a legal freeware filled with pop-up ads, spywares, etc. There's no infringement in any copyright acts in the software.

It's the ACTIONS that the Internet Users are taking violates the copyright laws.



Of course, it's one of the purposes to make all the information available known to man.... legally.



People always want to get something for free. Tough luck.

You have to earn them.



Revolution?

Why would we want a Theft Revolution?

No thanks, because it'll just make our economy go belly-flopping. How are people supposed to keep their jobs if people like you keep stealing?

According to your assumption where 90% of Internet population steal files.

If that was true, then we wouldn't have any new songs, movies, softwares, and more because all of them would be out of business.

But if it is on the rise, then they have to be stopped.

Once a Thief, Always a Thief, A Great Way to Live Such A Shameful Life.

downloading things on the internet is not stealing. When songs/movies/porno clips are saved in the shared folder that means the owner has granted premission to share what they own to the public. If I buy a cd then I feel that I can go ahead and make copies for my friends if they want it, because I paid for it.
the US economy will go down the drain because of P2P software? Oh please, I haven't heard Greenspan said anything negative about p2p software online.
Also, not all those p2p software are full with pop up ads and spyware, you just need to know how to find the right one and modifiy the code. It just prove how ignorant you are about the whole p2p sharing philosophy. Your whole arguement is based on thievery. But guess what? people are not stealing, they are sharing.

 

[Stevey Boy]

Kalboy, I strongly agreed everything what you said. I applause you taking some point of views against the RIAA and their actions.

Nobody controls the Internet.

I don't understand why some people being whining to the other people about to not break the laws since the whiners actually broken the laws before (double standards, if you called it). I swear to god, everybody broke the laws more or less.

 

[Banjo]

Originally posted by Stevey Boy
I don't understand why some people being whining to the other people about to not break the laws since the whiners actually broken the laws before (double standards, if you called it). I swear to god, everybody broke the laws more or less.

Yes, but 15,000 stolen songs is inexcusable.

Now, that you're calling people like me a bunch of whiners. I advocate to stop piracy.

The whiners are the one who want everything for free.

I'm talking about copyright laws, not the RIAA. I don't really give a hoot about RIAA to tell you the truth.

 

[DefMATRIXense]

Originally posted by Banjo
Yes, but 15,000 stolen songs is inexcusable.

Now, that you're calling people like me a bunch of whiners. I advocate to stop piracy.

The whiners are the one who want everything for free.

I'm talking about copyright laws, not the RIAA. I don't really give a hoot about RIAA to tell you the truth.

Banjo, I hate to say but I have to agree with kalboy because in technical, sharing users did not steal over 100,000 songs. They downloaded that song from someone who owns the original songs or not. That is how they saved it and sharing with other users. It is spreading over the USA. However, the illegal is you download any songs if you do not have the original song

 

[kalboy]

Originally posted by DefMATRIXense
Banjo, I hate to say but I have to agree with kalboy because in technical, sharing users did not steal over 100,000 songs. They downloaded that song from someone who owns the original songs or not. That is how they saved it and sharing with other users. It is spreading over the USA. However, the illegal is you download any songs if you do not have the original song

that bring up a good point. Next time you got a letter from the lawyers at RIAA saying you have x, y, z, etc songs on your computer. go out and buy the CDs to avoid paying $250,000 in fine.

 

[Banjo]

First of all, I am not talking about RIAA. I'm not even interested in RIAA.

I am referring to the COPYRIGHT LAWS.

Sorry if I wasn't clear the whole time, but I've always been talking about the copyright laws, not the RIAA.

I did mention RIAA in a couple posts, but that wasn't my priority to begin with.

Copyrights Laws, they are not to be taken lightly. In fact, it is a huge problem today.

Originally posted by kalboy
downloading things on the internet is not stealing. When songs/movies/porno clips are saved in the shared folder that means the owner has granted premission to share what they own to the public.

The owner of the songs has granted permission to share what they own to the public?

The owner?

Legally, the people who own the rights to the songs have the rights to do whatever they want to do with them. Not the people who own copies of the songs.

I never said downloading things off the Internet were illegal. But to download a copyrighted song from a person who only own a copy of the songs is illegal. These people who own copies of the songs don't own the rights to share these files. They are intended for private uses.

Even if it's just "sharing."

You are entitled to play the copy you bought from the store. But you are not entitled to share them on the Internet because you don't own the RIGHTS to these songs.

If I buy a cd then I feel that I can go ahead and make copies for my friends if they want it, because I paid for it.

You BOUGHT the copy, your friends didn't.

According to the copyright laws, it is illegal to make copies and pass them around. It's even more illegal if you made copies and sell them.

the US economy will go down the drain because of P2P software? Oh please, I haven't heard Greenspan said anything negative about p2p software online.

The more you share files, the less sales are being made.

What made you think it's perfectly legal to share files?

You don't own the songs, you only own the copies of them. You don't even own the rights to these songs.

If you write and create your own songs, you own the rights to them and if you want to share them. You can share them for all I care since it's your songs.

But to share somebody else's songs just because you bought the CD doesn't give you the rights to share them.

Also, not all those p2p software are full with pop up ads and spyware, you just need to know how to find the right one and modifiy the code. It just prove how ignorant you are about the whole p2p sharing philosophy. Your whole arguement is based on thievery. But guess what? people are not stealing, they are sharing.

It proves me how ignorant I am?

No, it just proves how ignorant you are when it comes to copyright laws.

I never said p2p softwares are "evil" or anything. It's just a software, nothing more. They are not responsible for any legal problems. The Internet users are responsible for their actions.

The fact is very simple...

You cannot abuse copyright infringement rights without suffering the consequences.

Please do yourself a favour and take a look at the "agreements" on thsee p2p softwares. They'll tell you that they are not responsible for your legal troubles. Therefore making it your responsibility to watch what you are doing.

DefMATRIXense,

Banjo, I hate to say but I have to agree with kalboy because in technical, sharing users did not steal over 100,000 songs. They downloaded that song from someone who owns the original songs or not. That is how they saved it and sharing with other users. It is spreading over the USA. However, the illegal is you download any songs if you do not have the original song

No, the person who owns the original songs would be the person who wrote it or sung it. Most of these people own a COPY of the original songs. They don't own the songs, they own a COPY of the songs. They don't own the rights to the songs, they are just given the permission to play the songs in private. (meaning not broadcasting the song in public)

Did you know that it is still illegal to download game roms even if you own the original copy?

Hard to believe, I know but it's true.

 

[kalboy]

Originally posted by Banjo
Yes, but 15,000 stolen songs is inexcusable.

Now, that you're calling people like me a bunch of whiners. I advocate to stop piracy.

The whiners are the one who want everything for free.

I'm talking about copyright laws, not the RIAA. I don't really give a hoot about RIAA to tell you the truth.

You know what is more inexcusable? bootleg copies of dvd movies and songs sold in south-east asia. Last time I went to Singapore there were bootlegged movies for sale on the street everywhere and it costs less than $1. Those people who are behind this are mostly local mob leaders who want to make a profit by sending some people in the movie theaters with a camcorder and go back and sell the tape. Now, take in account that Asia is a huge market, with population over 10X than the US. Just image how much money is lost from this and profited the mob leaders.

I am suprirsed that the RIAA is taking less action to address the bootleg issue. Instead they are suing poor college students and clueless parents who never knew their kids installed Kazza on their computer.

 

[kalboy]

Originally posted by Banjo


I am referring to the COPYRIGHT LAWS.

Copyrights Laws, they are not to be taken lightly. In fact, it is a huge problem today.

What happening right now is that RIAA is abusing the copyright laws. I know there are such law existed. But by abusing copyright laws to take down the freedom of the internet and violate people's first amendment rights by look at their activity online is totally out of control.

 

[DefMATRIXense]

Banjo, Of course, I know that... not only that game but movies too. thanks for telling me but the part I disagree with u is you have a right to copy a game for back up if the original game has damaged. In addition, you have a right to copy if you own the original game.

according to your post here and in PM you sent to me, If your law expert is right and then the blockbuster bought one video and then copying for 20 tapes more and then people rent a copied movie for years. In addition, why does No one sue blockbuster. Can you explain this one?

 

[DefMATRIXense]

R.I.A.A believe it is not ok that you copy or download a song even u own the song that u purchased. However, Copyrights laws, you have a right to make a copy movies, game, music if in case the original is damaging. As Kalboy said, RIAA did abuse copyrights laws. RIAA sued P2P software, kazaa, Edonkey, etc programs and lost all in court. What does KIAA doing next? Of course, KIAA is suing sharing users. Why is that? KIAA needed fucking money the owners either did or did not support RIAA. Now, most of sharing users won in court against RIAA. A week ago, I heard RIAA started suing downloading users too. WHAT THE FUCK? What were they thinking of?

 

[ASLuser101]

"blockbuster bought one video and then copying for 20 tapes more and then people rent a copied movie for years"

can you point to a source for this? I don't believe blockbuster is knowingly doing this.

 

[ASLuser101]

"I swear to god, everybody broke the laws more or less."

yes, but if you get caught, YOU go to jail -- not everybody else!

 

[LinuxGold]

I think this should go to "On-Topic Debate" if I were the MOD. This is getting more and more interesting....

 

[ASLuser101]

steveyboy and kalboy, take a look at a CD or DVD and you'll see the "unauthorized duplication" warning affixed to it. this is what the judge will be looking at as you argue your case about the "free and no rules internet". So, how do you think the judge will rule?

besides, accroding to your arguments about p2p, then pediophiles can get off the hook for sharing child porn on the net?

please explain.

 

[DefMATRIXense]

Originally posted by Bush_in_2004!
"blockbuster bought one video and then copying for 20 tapes more and then people rent a copied movie for years"

can you point to a source for this? I don't believe blockbuster is knowingly doing this.

yeah I noticed it several times. the end of the movie, still waiting until few minute later, it shows another movie. LMAO!

For example, I remember at blockbuster, I rented the movie called striptease (demi Moore). I watched it all including credits list. After that, I forgot to press stop but contieue because i was talking to my friend. Then it appears another movie and I was like wtf? I said Cant be... some other day, I rented another movie and nothing happen. Few months later, I rented another and it happens again. I was like damn it blockbuster just like local video stores who tends copying all tapes lol... I forgot to mention is have you noticed that at any blockbuster stores, get any VSH movie and look at label, it is like not real label, it was copying sometime it is mess and hard to read unlikly the original label who has a clearly message and easy to read.

 

[DefMATRIXense]

Originally posted by Bush_in_2004!
steveyboy and kalboy, take a look at a CD or DVD and you'll see the "unauthorized duplication" warning affixed to it. this is what the judge will be looking at as you argue your case about the "free and no rules internet". So, how do you think the judge will rule?

besides, accroding to your arguments about p2p, then pediophiles can get off the hook for sharing child porn on the net?

please explain.

as long as that is for private home only! if the copyrights law didnt create about " this is for private home only!" Blockbuster and any video stores, online stores, and etc should be non exsit