Suicidal behaviour caused by antidepressants 'cannot be ruled out'

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Antidepressant drugs may be associated with an increased risk of suicidal behaviour, particularly in the early stages of treatment, shows new evidence in this week's BMJ.
Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are the most commonly prescribed class of antidepressant, yet concerns have arisen that these drugs may induce or worsen suicidal feelings in vulnerable patients.

Three studies published in this issue shed new light on the benefits and harms of these drugs.

In the first study, researchers analysed 702 trials involving over 87,000 patients with depression and other clinical conditions to establish whether a link exists between use of SSRIs and suicide attempts.

They found that patients taking SSRIs were twice as likely to attempt suicide compared with patients taking placebo. However, no increase in risk was seen when only fatal suicidal attempts were compared between SSRIs and placebo. Finally, they found no difference between patients taking SSRIs and those taking other drugs, known as tricyclic antidepressants.

The authors point out that, while the absolute risk of suicide is low, the widespread use of SSRIs makes this a population health concern. They also warn that major limitations in the published trials may have led to underestimates of the risk of suicide attempts.

The second study reviewed 477 trials submitted by drug companies to the safety review of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). These trials compared SSRIs with placebo in adults with depression and other clinical conditions.

The research team found no evidence that SSRIs increased the risk of suicide. They found weak evidence of an increased risk of self harm, but no evidence of an increased risk of suicidal thoughts.

Increased risks of suicide and self harm caused by SSRIs cannot be ruled out, say the authors, but larger trials with longer monitoring periods are needed to assess the balance of risks and benefits fully. They recommend that patients should be warned of the potential hazard and monitored closely in the early weeks of treatment.

The final study was based on information from the General Practice Research Database and analysed the risk of self harm and suicide in over 146,000 patients taking SSRIs and tricyclic antidepressants for the first time.

Risks of self harm and suicide were no different in patients prescribed SSRIs compared with those prescribe tricyclics. However, under 18s prescribed SSRIs seemed to be at increased risk of self harm.

The finding that SSRIs and tricyclic antidepressants have a similar risk profile with respect to suicide and self harm is reassuring, say the authors. They call for further research to assess the short and long term risks and benefits of antidepressants.

Despite several limitations, these studies provide some useful insights for clinical practice, write experts in an accompanying editorial. For instance, they should make doctors aware that SSRIs and tricyclics may induce or worsen suicidal behaviour during the early phases of treatment and encourage them to monitor patients closely. They should also discourage the routine prescribing of antidepressant drugs in children and adolescents.

"The debate is not yet done, but these papers crystallise arguments that have been drifting in the ether these past months," says Kamran Abbasi, BMJ Acting Editor. "How many people who turned to 'happy pills' would not have done so if they had been fully aware of the potential harms?"

Source: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-02/bmj-sbc021605.php
 
Magatsu,
I don't have the facts to back it up, but speaking from personal experience, I do believe what your article says is true. I'm no doctor, but knowing people who are on anti-depressants, it sometimes seems to worsen. It is also an issue coming off of these drugs sometimes. While they aren't classified as 'addictive' people can become so depressed when they come off. I recall a friend (grown woman who was very emotionally balanced) who cried for 3 days. She had no idea why she was crying...just the tears flowing.
 
I really agree with this.

I suffered from post partnum depression after having my first child. I was prescribed Prozac. Before I knew it, I was having mood swings. I even got myself into a few serious road rage incidents as my temper was boiling hot. I snapped over very minor details. After a week on Prozac, I quit because I was shocked by my own behavior.

I asked around in my family and circle of friends. Most of them experienced the same thing in early stage of taking anti-depressant meds. Most had to struggle through to get to the point where their moods were stable but I was too frightened by my own actions to continue.

I see so many younger people getting prescribed with such drugs and some literally flipped out.

This is not a perfect solution for sure. It can even backfire in some people.
 
Taylor said:
I recall a friend (grown woman who was very emotionally balanced) who cried for 3 days. She had no idea why she was crying...just the tears flowing.
It happened to one of my friends too. I tried to warn her to not take any antidepressant drugs when her doctor gave her the paper to pick up the prescribed drug for her depression due to big 'broke up' but she did anyway. In four days later, she flushed the drugs down in the toilet right after threatened her mother with a knife when her mother told my friend to pick up her shoes in living room. Scared huh.

Meg said:
I really agree with this.

I suffered from post partnum depression after having my first child. I was prescribed Prozac. Before I knew it, I was having mood swings. I even got myself into a few serious road rage incidents as my temper was boiling hot. I snapped over very minor details. After a week on Prozac, I quit because I was shocked by my own behavior.

I asked around in my family and circle of friends. Most of them experienced the same thing in early stage of taking anti-depressant meds. Most had to struggle through to get to the point where their moods were stable but I was too frightened by my own actions to continue.

I see so many younger people getting prescribed with such drugs and some literally flipped out.

This is not a perfect solution for sure. It can even backfire in some people.
Road rage? wow. That's scary side effect. My uncle once urged my mother to take the antidepressant drugs when her ex broke up with her and it hit her real hard. My mother got real pissed off about it and cussed at him...apparently because she don't believe in 'drugs' to move on or something. I guess that's where I got the 'attitude' from... about these drugs. Heh.
 
Magatsu said:
It happened to one of my friends too. I tried to warn her to not take any antidepressant drugs when her doctor gave her the paper to pick up the prescribed drug for her depression due to big 'broke up' but she did anyway. In four days later, she flushed the drugs down in the toilet right after threatened her mother with a knife when her mother told my friend to pick up her shoes in living room. Scared huh.

Road rage? wow. That's scary side effect. My uncle once urged my mother to take the antidepressant drugs when her ex broke up with her and it hit her real hard. My mother got real pissed off about it and cussed at him...apparently because she don't believe in 'drugs' to move on or something. I guess that's where I got the 'attitude' from... about these drugs. Heh.

I remember one of them most vividly. I was waiting to enter a freeway. A coupe with 2 elderly ladies cut in front of me. I honked inccessantly. I rememer thinking Geez calm down and its no big deal. Usually I wave others into the line in front of me.

But when that car cut in front of me, I became enraged and tailgated them. I was almost bumping my front into their end. These poor ladies got frightened and tried to get away from me. But I followed them for like 3 miles and even turned into a parking lot after them before I realized what I was doing. I was appalled by my behavior.

My grandmother tried Prozac too and she told me that she literally flipped out and screamed at some sales ladies. She was berating them.

Thus, I have no belief in these meds but at the same time I do know it helps many people. It is just that it is not made for EVERY one of us. We all react differently.
 
Meg said:
I remember one of them most vividly. I was waiting to enter a freeway. A coupe with 2 elderly ladies cut in front of me. I honked inccessantly. I rememer thinking Geez calm down and its no big deal. Usually I wave others into the line in front of me.

But when that car cut in front of me, I became enraged and tailgated them. I was almost bumping my front into their end. These poor ladies got frightened and tried to get away from me. But I followed them for like 3 miles and even turned into a parking lot after them before I realized what I was doing. I was appalled by my behavior.

My grandmother tried Prozac too and she told me that she literally flipped out and screamed at some sales ladies. She was berating them.

Thus, I have no belief in these meds but at the same time I do know it helps many people. It is just that it is not made for EVERY one of us. We all react differently.
Wow :eek: You know, it sounds like sci-fi stuff that drugs would affect our emotions and thinking process ability but in reality, it does in either, small or big way.
 
I have to say I am ambivalent about this. I know more and more evidence is coming in about suicidal ideation being caused by anti depressants. Also, they aren't recommended for use in children anymore. They also never should have been :doh:

But, I can't help but think about people who are suicidal from the get-go, or people like the Andrea Yate's in this world who have proven what happens when they need medication, and aren't getting it.

I really don't know the answer to this, because, I lost a friend to suicide a number of years ago. He WAS prescribed prozac, but wasn't taking it. He ended up dying as a result.

So, I really don't know. There are no easy answers to this one.
 
Sighhhhhhhh, Oceandeaf, what a touchy subject THIS is, eh wot?
It is purely your fault I am going off-topic a bit here...
You mention children, our most precious National Resource, and don't get me started on the feelings I have concerning the drugging of our youth for various "symptoms."
Take Ritalin, for example. Read what its OWN MANUFACTURERS have to say about the drug---
http://www.rense.com/general63/thin.htm

Grrrrrrrrrrrr......
 
My daughter has been showing signs of depression lately. I have debated whether to ask her doctor about the possibility of putting her on anti-meds because I hate to see her struggling through pre-puberty with such heavy woes on her mind.

But I know it is not the perfect answer. Currently she is going to counseling so hope that helps but even so, she refuses to tell the counselor anything. :(
 
Awww, Meg.
:hug:
Be patient. I most certainly remember going through sessions with a psychiatrist in my teenage years, and I sure didn't volunteer any information either.
Lol, my poor parents---it cost them a FORTUNE for zilch, but I got the wisdom of hindsight at least.
Just keep these posts coming, Meg, you are not alone.
 
Meg said:
My daughter has been showing signs of depression lately. I have debated whether to ask her doctor about the possibility of putting her on anti-meds because I hate to see her struggling through pre-puberty with such heavy woes on her mind.

But I know it is not the perfect answer. Currently she is going to counseling so hope that helps but even so, she refuses to tell the counselor anything. :(

Give her more time to trust with a counselor. I am very against anti depression medication.
 
Sabrina said:
Give her more time to trust with a counselor. I am very against anti depression medication.

But she has these crying spells and she goes through moments where she says she wishes shes dead. She has often said that she doesnt belong here. These talks frighten me cos I know it is not environmental factors contributing to that but imbalance of hormones and her being a such profound thinker (she got that from me, what a curse!)

Last week, she had an hour crying spell and she kept saying that she hates God for making her alive. She keeps asking why God would make her only to have her miserable on Earth.

I just want to do early intervention before puberty hits her HARD. She will be 10 soon and why is a 9 year old saying such things?????
 
Beowulf said:
Sighhhhhhhh, Oceandeaf, what a touchy subject THIS is, eh wot?
It is purely your fault I am going off-topic a bit here...
You mention children, our most precious National Resource, and don't get me started on the feelings I have concerning the drugging of our youth for various "symptoms."
Take Ritalin, for example. Read what its OWN MANUFACTURERS have to say about the drug---
http://www.rense.com/general63/thin.htm

Grrrrrrrrrrrr......

:werd:

I absolutely agree with you that ritaline and other drugs are used much to carelessly.
 
Meg said:
But she has these crying spells and she goes through moments where she says she wishes shes dead. She has often said that she doesnt belong here. These talks frighten me cos I know it is not environmental factors contributing to that but imbalance of hormones and her being a such profound thinker (she got that from me, what a curse!)

Last week, she had an hour crying spell and she kept saying that she hates God for making her alive. She keeps asking why God would make her only to have her miserable on Earth.

I just want to do early intervention before puberty hits her HARD. She will be 10 soon and why is a 9 year old saying such things?????


You KNOW what you have to do, Meg.
Do it.
You are NOT alone dammit.
 
My nephew's friend committed suicide 3 days ago, he was only 17. I do not know if he took any antidepressant. I have seen it helped some people but not all.

Proper exercise, right kind of diet and proper sleep balance the body, mind and soul do work for me, dunno if it works for others.
 
Meg said:
But she has these crying spells and she goes through moments where she says she wishes shes dead. She has often said that she doesnt belong here. These talks frighten me cos I know it is not environmental factors contributing to that but imbalance of hormones and her being a such profound thinker (she got that from me, what a curse!)

Last week, she had an hour crying spell and she kept saying that she hates God for making her alive. She keeps asking why God would make her only to have her miserable on Earth.

I just want to do early intervention before puberty hits her HARD. She will be 10 soon and why is a 9 year old saying such things?????

My boys went thru this and they survived it. Every child is going thru this. I do not think there is anyone who did not went thru this. Just be there and comfort her. She will pull it out as you have. :)
 
A 15 yr old boy was tried and convicted as an adult last week for killing both of his grandparents when he was 12 yrs old. Back then he was on Zoloft and his defense was basically that "the Zoloft did it" but the jury didn't buy it and convicted him.
 
jazzy said:
Proper exercise, right kind of diet and proper sleep balance the body, mind and soul do work for me, dunno if it works for others.
Yep. When I was a teen, I had been in major depression. Since my mother don't believe in drugs, she decided to change the diet for me to consume and in approx two weeks, it works. I once threw the TV at the wall, that's how bad it is :( I had been unstable for a while right after my parents' divorce (during my teen years). After change to that diet my mother set up for me, I rarely feel depressed afterward. From what I understand... sugar is number one factor for different kind of depression cases. Remove it completely from the diet, it will reduce or eradicate the depression and mood swings.

Meg, like what jazzy & Beowulf said, you are not alone.

I am going to post the few new articles about antidepressants but it is about adults this time. It is new debate.. apparently that it does affect the adults as much as it does for children. Check my new posts in this topic.
 
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