Speaking and signing called key to richer life

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Bottesini said:
After today I am curious are you a psychologist, Grendel? It's perfectly respectable if you are. My stepmother is, although long retired.
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Botte, yes I knew that. There were prolly mainstreamed kids for as long as there's been mandatory schooling. I'm all for continum of placements, and there are kids (both Sign users and oral) who might thrive with a solotaire approach. I just really dislike the assumption that the Best Placement is always the neighborhood school. A lot of kids with more classic disabilties get lumped in with the kids who mostly have LDs and other issues. Most mainstream teachers, including special ed teachers get very minimal training on how to teach kids like us. It is also a nightmare trying to get accomondations from administators
Granted it's a lot easier then when you were in school, b/c there are things like magnet schools and regional dhh programs. But unfortunatly, those programs tend to be really underutilized. Think about it this way. Hearing kids do not all learn the same way. Yet the mainstream is very one size fits all. And today that means college bound. Not that college is bad or anything (I can just see rick48 jumping on claiming I am bashing going to college) But not everyone should go off to college. That means that kids who are bound for blue collar jobs or other jobs that may not require college may be ill prepared. Personally I do not understand why parents idoloize a mainstream solotaire placement. Yes, some mainstream schools are good, but others...Same with Deaf Schools and Dhh programs
I love how oral mainstreamers seem to think that ALL hearing schools are suburban middle class with high standards for all their students. I mean I doubt that a lot of people would advocate mainstreaming if it involved an inner city school or a really poor Appalachian rural school....
he OP's article -- quickly became an opportunity for several people to jump all over CIs or push "I told you so's", rather than celebrating the use of both spoken language and ASL. And that turned the tide to defense of CI vs. attacks on CI and lots of charges of "audist." No one attacks ASL (nor should they), but there's never an opportunity to miss making a nasty or snide comment belittling the choice to get a CI.
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Not quite. I mean I don't really see a lot of "CI sucks" posts the way there were back in the old days at DumbNotes. Rather I see it as more..... I think that the people who are speaking out about CI, seem to have frustrations with the CI being portrayed as some AMAZING miricle device that allows ALL kids to function as mildly hoh/almost hearing. Yes, it's an awesome device. If someone posted here about there kid who'd maxed out their hearing aids, I would encourage them to look into it. But, it STILL varies significently with it's effectiveness. A lot of kids can get to mild hoh listening levels, but a lot of that may have to do more with the fact that FDA criteria was expanded for implantation, or that a lot of kids lose their hearing after being hearing for a few months. Not to mention that nowadays, it does seem like the private oral programs are a lot more open to sending kids who don't have the flair for oral abilty to TC or Deaf programs. I think that if there was a hearing aid that people raved about, you'd see the same thing.
 
deafgal001 said:
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But we are not doing any of that.
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Exactly. There are no extremists here. There are deaf people that have lived the life and know what works and what doesn't. There are professionals that have spent many years learning what works and what doesn't and how the educational process is affected by deafness, the connection between language and deafness, and cognition and deafness. There were extremists here several years ago. They are gone now. If we are being called extemists, it is obvious that the poster has not really encountered an extremist to date.
 
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Time to close this up. :locked:
 
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