So um Atheists

[deafdyke]

A 100 cell blastocyte is NOT a human being, despite any claims by the Religious Right to the contrary. It is an inanimate object—nothing more.

Agreed....it's not even a fetus! It hasn't even gotten to the viable/nonviable stage yet. It simply has the POTENTIAL for life.....and I mean, if it's not used, then it's simply gonna be thrown out for medical waste! I mean virtually ALL blastocytes were formed in fertillity clinics, not through love making.

 

[The*Empress]

so if someone who is in coma, person's brain shut down and all other organs shut down and the machine is keeping that person alive...

That brain dead person isn't a human??? A complete waste?

 

[Mookie]

I just wish that there were more that PETA could do, but these labs operate within the confines of the law—a fact which in and of itself speaks volumes concerning our own worth as a species. This video is disturbing beyond words. So is the story of Booee.

I bet Religious People can't do anything to save the lives of animals.

BTW, my grandpa had to support his family in the rural town while he worked for the slaughting house as a butcher for 50+ years.

 

[The*Empress]

I was so mad when Social Security reject me about 100 times...
I keep telling them that I am too ugly, nobody wants to hire
an ulgy woman...

They don't need to just give SSI to people who can't work...
They need to give SSI to people who need financial support.

All I wanted to do is...
Get SSI, stay at home with mom, and just watch tv and be happy. :P

But my mom and my sister kept telling me to get a job, get a job,
get a job, get a job, get a job, get a job, get a job.....

Then I just go out... there were many many doors of opportunity
opening for me.....

AJ should agree with this too...
Why he isn't in college?
He doesn't want to go because he feels sorry for himself too.

And also Cental and Steel, they claim they can't afford college,
what is holding them back?

They make excuses, and they know there are opportunity
but they rather be on AllDeaf Forum and picking on me.

But they can get college loan and go back to college and finish
and get the job they always want.

Right?

 

[apathrev]

AJ should agree with this too...
Why he isn't in college?
He doesn't want to go because he feels sorry for himself too.

And also Cental and Steel, they claim they can't afford college,
what is holding them back?

They make excuses, and they know there are opportunity
but they rather be on AllDeaf Forum and picking on me.

But they can get college loan and go back to college and finish
and get the job they always want.

Right?

Leave me out of this, you old hag.

 

[jazzy]

AJ should agree with this too...
Why he isn't in college?
He doesn't want to go because he feels sorry for himself too.

And also Cental and Steel, they claim they can't afford college,
what is holding them back?

They make excuses, and they know there are opportunity
but they rather be on AllDeaf Forum and picking on me.

But they can get college loan and go back to college and finish
and get the job they always want.

Right?

Nope, your still guessing.

 

[The*Empress]

well... then Cental, go to college, apply for school loan.

and stay off the computer, will ya?

 

[apathrev]

well... then Cental, go to college, apply for school loan.

and stay off the computer, will ya?

Guess what. I'm in college, moron.

 

[The*Empress]

Guess what. I'm in college, moron.

so you work at relay place, go to college, and study,
how do you make time to be on AllDeaf Forum flirting with AJ???

 

[jazzy]

so you work at relay place, go to college, and study,
how do you make time to be on AllDeaf Forum flirting with AJ???

you're jealous of her.

 

[The*Empress]

Cental and AJ are men.

 

[apathrev]

so you work at relay place, go to college, and study,
how do you make time to be on AllDeaf Forum flirting with AJ???

How are you capable of walking and breathing at the same time? :fu2:

 

[Levonian]

And manly men at that…

 

[apathrev]

And manly men at that…

Don't even think about it, monkey boy.

 

[Levonian]

Agreed....it's not even a fetus! It hasn't even gotten to the viable/nonviable stage yet. It simply has the POTENTIAL for life.....and I mean, if it's not used, then it's simply gonna be thrown out for medical waste! I mean virtually ALL blastocytes were formed in fertillity clinics, not through love making.

Yep—right now, there’s about 400,000 of the damn things sitting in Petri dishes in freezers all over the country. Once the client conceives and no longer needs them, they get tossed in the trash. But Pat Robertson and his band of merry followers think putting them to good use would be murder. What about throwing them in the trash? Isn’t that murder too?

 

[The*Empress]

scientists are so damn selfish, I hope they all go to hell.

 

[Rose Immortal]

Levonian--here's a question for you: why is there so much waste in the in-vitro fertilization process? Why THIS many unused embryos? What's wrong with our techniques, that they are this unrefined? (I'm not trying to attack you...I am asking because I think you might know some answers to the questions.)

One thing I also wonder about, too (though slightly off topic)...I can understand parents' desire to have children who are of their own flesh and blood, but what about all of the children who need to be adopted? Why are they forgotten in so many cases? I think it's sad when children end up being shuffled from foster home to foster home when someone could have adopted them.

 

[Levonian]

Why THIS many unused embryos? What's wrong with our techniques, that they are this unrefined?

Why are they forgotten in so many cases? I think it's sad when children end up being shuffled from foster home to foster home when someone could have adopted them.

Hopefully, someday what you’re proposing will be possible—it’s just that right now we don’t know how to do it. Right now, we can’t just take any old cell from a human and make it transform itself to any other cell. Right now, we have to use embryonic cells because they are the only ones we can use to make new cells. Wiki has a good article on stem cells which should give you a thorough overview of the subject.

The reason that there are so many blastocysts just ‘laying around’ in lab freezers is that it is SOP to make several blastocysts for each client in case one doesn’t work. After a successful pregnancy, the rest are discarded. Curiously, Italy takes kind of a hypocritical approach to the whole thing and legislates the number of blastocytes that the clinics are allowed to create for each client. It’s kind of like they’re saying “well, we acknowledge that it’s murder, but we don’t do it as much as other people do”.

I couldn’t agree more with your statements about adoption. There are just too many children in the foster care system to ignore. Personally, I don’t care if my children are my own flesh and blood or not. We can’t wait to adopt. And that kid’s gonna be deaf.

 

[Levonian]

scientists are so damn selfish, I hope they all go to hell.

Miss P, sometimes you make ravensteve look like a fucking Rhodes Scholar. :roll: If people who engage in original research were selfish, they wouldn’t be engaging in original research. They would work as technicians instead, applying the products of other people’s research. How much does a professor of medicine make at the medical school closest to your home? 60k? 70? Probably closer to the former, and that’s with lots of overtime. Now, how much do his or her students typically make after they graduate and complete their residency? 80k? 120? 250? More?

 

[Beowulf]

... But Pat Robertson and his band of merry followers think putting them to good use would be murder. What about throwing them in the trash? Isn’t that murder too?

Nawwww, they'd just think it's the Rapture.